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How do we experience the LIGHT?
May 27th, 2006 at 5:30pm
 
How do each of us see and experience the LIGHT?

I wait in Silence where I AM, and where You ARE to appreciate your replies.

My thanks to each and every one of you for your existence, whether or not you reply here on this forum.

with great love to each and every one, blink
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Re: How do we experience the LIGHT?
Reply #1 - May 27th, 2006 at 10:53pm
 
Hi Blink,

You ask: how do we experience the 'LIGHT'?

I do not propose to give an definitive answer to your question, but will attempt to posit some thoughts that might provide you with an alternative in which you may re-ask the question of yourself.

The problem of your question is that it seeks to explain the 'mechanism' of experience and experiencing. I take it that this is the context of your question? If it is, then there isn't really an explanation as to the mechanism, because it is a question of 'qualia' (plural, and the singular 'quale').

Qualia pertain to the intrinsic 'quality' of what 'it' is that we experience. For instance, when we experience water, we experience it as temperate - 'warm' or 'cold', but primarily as 'wet': It has a quality of 'wet-ness'. Thus, the quale of water is wetness, perceived as warm or cold. Even warm and cold are qualia. Therefore, your question asks, how do we experience qualia? What is the quale of light; what of light do we actually experience?

These in-depth questions necessarily involve looking at sense-stimulation and consciousness. The question of qualia is a long-debated issue amongst philosophers, particularly in the area of the 'mind/body' problem. Some equate qualia with certain conditions arising in the brain, and thus conclude qualia relate to mental states. Others seek to argue for a basis of the self-existence of qualia beyond that of the presence of a conscious-being. In other words, qualia exist whether or not perceived by man's senses.

You cannot describe the quale of something to someone, as descriptions are always eluded by the intrinsic property of any quale, it seems one must have direct apprehension and experience of it in order to comprehend and understand it: how would you describe the colour 'yellow' to a blind person, to someone whom has never experienced yellow? How may you describe 'light' to a blind person, and in such a way, that their comprehension of what you relate provides the exact same meaning of experience of light to them, as you hold in your own experience of it? Are all qualic experiences the same for everybody? When I experience 'wetness', is the experience matched exactly in your own?

We cannot possibly know the answers to these questions, we can only assume by some intuitive deduction that they are alike. Is there a way by which we can come to 'know' the qualic experience of others? Strangely enough, there is, but it is one of spiritual gnosis. It remains private and personal, but it does enable one to experience the qualic experiences of others, and it occurs during the 'life review' of the NDE.
As the experient of the NDE undergoes the life review, they enter into the experiences of others by some kind of 'immersive' empathy mechanism. This is not in the way of transmition and reception of data as in telepathy, but a direct apprehension of some other's gnosis. In other words, one enters the viewpoint of another in their apprehension of you, and this means, you experience all the qualic experience of you from their viewpoint. Their qualic experience of you, becomes your qualic experience of you, and thus, by this mechanism, you come to understand how your actions affected others, how they helped or impeded their life course.

I myself, do not accept that qualia emerge into a already existing consciousness (or rather, consciousness field). Consciousness is a consequence of their emergence. Nor is consciousness one field, it is millions (perhaps billions) of micro-fields spanning a small spectrum of vibration (during physical life), that are perceived as one field. The perception of the many micro-fields of consciousness as one field, is our perception of 'mind'. Consciousness is the sum total of perceived qualia content at any one particular time. These micro-fields of consciousness are actually arising from the energy exchange occurring between body and spirit.
Consciousness is a multi-layered spectrum of vibrational resonances emerging and fading very rapidly, that when perceived as one become that that we call mind. Mind is like white light. Pass it through a prism, and we see what white light is made up of, different wavelengths of light at lower or higher frequencies. Similarily, if we could pass mind through a prism, we would see it made up of the different wavelengths of frequency resonances that are the micro-units of consciousness experiences.

I'll leave it at that for now so you can digest what I have written. I know it raises more questions and before I go further I need to know you follow my hypothetical reasoning. If you want to highlight your questions, then by all means do so.

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Re: How do we experience the LIGHT?
Reply #2 - May 27th, 2006 at 11:28pm
 
Hi Blink- An illuminating question-

Howsabout by bringing our awareness into contact with the nature of God, as manifested in our reality, so that it either is sensed as brilliance that we can tolerate, because we are at one with it, or as intensity that we find intolerable, because we are not at one with it?

I've asked the same thing repeatedly, and this is about as good as I've been able to do.  How does this "feel"
to you?

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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2006 at 6:58pm
 
Greetings blink,
Answering--well, responding anyway, from another angle, I can account for a couple of ways I consider that Light comes into my life:
    When I'm praying and 1) offering forgiveness to someone for a major wrong or 2) requesting forgiveness for a major wrong I've committed, the prayer is sometimes followed by an amazing burst of Light, so intense it leaves me dazed and feeling lighter;
   When meditating and going into that 3'd'l blackness that somehow is infused with Light, if I remember to thank it for allowing me to enter into it, the intensity of Light increases and infuses me with Light/PUL;
    To me Light and PUL feel the same altho PUL itself is not necessarily visible to me at other times, but it seems they have the same vibration. Light however is in-coming, and PUL is either shared or out-going.
    You've inferred that alot is happening to you. Do you still have time for the connections to Light that meditation and prayer may bring?

    
     
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Re: How do we experience the LIGHT?
Reply #4 - May 28th, 2006 at 8:04pm
 
Hi all,

Elysiumfire, beautifully expressed.  I will think on your words.

Yes, Dave, it feels right to me. Thank you.

Bets, you said:
Do you still have time for the connections to Light that meditation and prayer may bring?

Of course, and thank you so much for the compassion I feel from you.  LIFE is meditation and prayer when you look at another human being with love in your heart.  We are all caught in "systems" of thought around us which create what appear before us as mountains of illusion.  Before we know it we believe we have an unwavering obstacle to truth before us.

We each must step outside these systems and begin to operate from our own convictions.  Each of us knows at our core what love, freedom, compassion, and peace ARE.  This is my work, and it is the work we all share.

When we are drawn into systems which do not operate from these principles we must find a way to transform them.  It can be done.  There is always an avenue, but it may be hidden until we let go and realize that We are supposed to Be the Change.  There are no actual "rules" to Change because what is Real is Love.  This Never changes.

love, blink
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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2006 at 11:00pm
 
I have no meaningful answers at the moment but this thread brings tears to my eyes.

         thanks friends for warming my heart,

                            Love, tim

                 
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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2006 at 6:38pm
 
My feeling is that the light is alway there, and we're always connected to it, it is just that we seal ourselves off from it in various ways.

I believe it is more a matter of removing the obstacles that prevent us from experiencing it completely, rather than finding the right technique. Even if you found a technique that works, the experience would be temporary.

I found that after my kundalini awakened, blocks cleared up gradually, and the more they did so, the more light I would experience.

I still haven't gotten rid of all of my blocks. They do effect how purely I experience the light.

At a certain point during meditation I don't even see the light even though it's there. Rather I just experience bliss without even considering what I'm seeing.

This happened the other night just before I went to sleep. I felt bliss but not a lot of love. I went to sleep and had a lucid dream that clearly was created by my guidance.  When I woke up I was really surprised to find out that I was dreaming.

The details of my dream aren't important enough to share, but the message is. It is more sweet to share unconditional love with each other than it is to hang around in a state of bliss, even if that state of bliss feels quite fulfilling.

I believe it is a mistake to seek white light specifically. It is better to pray for spiritual growth, and accept growth as it comes.
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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2006 at 10:24am
 
Albert, you said:

It is more sweet to share unconditional love with each other than it is to hang around in a state of bliss, even if that state of bliss feels quite fulfilling.

I believe it is a mistake to seek white light specifically. It is better to pray for spiritual growth, and accept growth as it comes.

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I feel your peace in your words, Albert so thank you for that. Smiley  I feel that unconditional love is a miracle which always flows freely from the place from which your bliss originates.  

It seems to be something which we can "tap" into just as we learn different ways to draw water in the various places that we live.  Humans have learned to draw water from places which appear to be dry desert.  Others are so fortunate to have a constant source at their fingertips.  

Perhaps acceptance and attention is the place to begin.  I am always learning from you and from others here so thank you.

love, blink
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