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Reply #15 - May 25th, 2006 at 2:45pm
 
Hi Joe-

Blink is right on target! This may seem to be a stretch if you haven't any experience at all, so I suggested a few classics that have been around for hundreds (or thousands) of years, that an give you insights from a thinking level. However, in meditation, the rational thinking activity shuts down and the residual thoughts processes are all affective - emotionl. These thoughts are more or less on the basis of  identification of concepts by looking at (or feeling) their properties.

To get the basic idea of how this works, without going through years of experimentation, you might try this simple hatha yoga (physical culture) technique. I discovered this when I noticed that while lifting a heavy weight, I was so focussed on the effort (Uuuggghhh!) that my mind had fallen silent. This is a more traditional way to get there.

Sit on the floor with your legs outstretched straight in front. Bend gently forward, reaching as if to grasp your toes with your hands. Let gravity do all the work, don't force anything (or you'll feel it later! like any exercize).  Now inhale as deeply as feels comfortable, hold the breath a moment, and then let it all out. (I usually breathe in a rythmic pattern, but we'll get to that in a few minutes.)

OK - now you are sitting, leaning and breathing.  Focus on the muscles that seem to be the most tense. If you're like me, that's going to be both in your back and in your legs. Continue to breathe - breathing is generally good policy, I'm told -   but as you inhale, pull the breath "through" the tight muscles.  As you exhale, allow the tension of the musles to evaporate and relax away. The result is that your head and shoulders are now an inch or two closer to your toes.

Practice this for a few breaths and notice that each breah allows you to relax away tension, and to replace it with relaxation.  That's actually pretty easy. So now, focus your entire attention on the muscles that are being relaxed, so that your mind begins to fill with the sensation of the in-breath, moving it through the muscles, continue your focus on the sensation of relaxation as you focus on the out-breath. The inner sensation is very much like doing any task that requires total concentration, so allow the mind to concentrate.

However -  don't confuse focus of the mind with any kind of tension.  If you wanted to recite the alphabet it would require mental focus, but no kind of physical tension.

Continue with the breathing and relaxation, bringing your mind to bear on the process, but allowing everything else to relax. As you continue to bend and relax lower and lower you'll notice that your mind is far too busy keeping track of pulling the breath through the muscles to entertain any thoughts. Instead, you'll sense that the in-breath feels as if you are composing a statement, and the out-breath feels as if this is the statement you composed. Breathing takes over the functions of the mind, and you have a few moments silence as you focus on the muscles and breath. Those moments of silence are the "sound of silence" meditators talk about.

Next, use a simple counting method as you breathe. Either listen to the sound of your pulse in your ears, or feel the beating of your heart, or if necessary, use one hand to take the pulse of the other wrist. Breathe in the same manner, relaxing away tension. However, breathe in for 4 counts (4 pulse beats), hold for 16 beats, exhale for 8 beats, and then repeat. This gives the mnd something extra to focus on. Allow yourself to become totally absorbed in this process. As you do, you'll notice that your mind is doing nothing but counting, and then even that stops as you shift into a deeper level and sort of "sense" the number of pulse beats. Otherwise, you'll find that inside your mind it is silent.

Once you get the idea, notice that all you need is focus and the mind will shut up. (This is easier said than done, but it is definitely possble with only an hour's effort.) The key is focus of the mind so that instead of munching inner thoughts, the mind focusses on what you're doing and shuts up. It is almost as if the breathing technique is a lecture with the breathing replacing words.

Now try Blinks candle (this technique is called "trataka"  accent on second syllable). If the mind is acting up, use the counting method to occupy it, and let everything else fade away.  With two or three days practice you'll be able to focus and create long periods of inner silence.  That's the essence of meditation

Anther useful practce is to take any common object, such as a pencl and as you look at it, trace each part back to its origins. Do this by "seeing how it came to be" in your inner insight, not be "thinking about it". The wood is obviously a natural product that once was a tree. You can even trace the graphite back to the core of a star that went supernova, generating lots of carbon. This type of non-verbal mental activity uses the lower levels of the mental faculty.

When you are able to keep focussed on task, then once in a while (I do this often at night), just close your eyes and look into your inner spaces. Wave a hand back and forth and notice that you can see it moving, even though your eyes are closed. Look at the space in which the image of the hand is moving. If you move your head, that space also moves. Get a sheet of paper and descfrbe what you see. Check to see if that is correct, or if there is more. Notice that there is a difference if you rotate your head, whether nodding up and down, or turing right and left.  That is different from what you experience when you displace your head sideways, but keping the same direction of focus n your inner space.

Now you're ready to do soul retrievals if you want.  Read some of Bruce' s books to get the idea, and then go inside, find someone needing help, and lend a psychic hand. If you want more similar stuff, I have a little more at my web site.

One thought to keep in mind is that the path to enlightenment is different for each of us. Therefor, it doesn't help to try to talk about it or "explain" your experiences.  Just do it, and keep doing it. There is no real goal. Enlightenment is a process, not a result. So just enjoy!

dave

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Re: 18 and No Belief System
Reply #16 - May 25th, 2006 at 3:39pm
 
That was a very deep post dave, and I assure you I will try these types of meditation, probably the one that involves streching first because I think that type will be more beneficial while searching for silence when dealing with my personality.

I thank all for their help and I hope this post continues to grow because it is proving to be very helpful. Does anyone else have suggestions about meditation? Thanks a bunch by the way dave, yet again you stun me while putting the undescribable into written words.

By the way, which of Bruce's books do you reccommend for a beginner like me dave?

Thanks to all!
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Reply #17 - May 25th, 2006 at 5:44pm
 
I just wanted to say how happy I am that so many young people are here and are questioning the afterlife/beliefs, etc. It's great to start young.

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Reply #18 - May 25th, 2006 at 6:34pm
 
Far as I can tell, Joe, Bruce writes more or less for fun and enjoyment, so buy whatever looks interesting. His "home study course" (book 5) should be after you're familiar with him.  Personally, I just enjoyed reading what he wrote.
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Reply #19 - May 25th, 2006 at 7:27pm
 
Now Dave are you saying that he can't actually communicate with spirits? I am confused I thought he was able to do that. Well i will look inot buying that book but right now their store is closed.
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Reply #20 - May 25th, 2006 at 7:55pm
 
Joe-- a good place to start the meditations is by purchasing Bob Monroes 1st CD's : The Gateway Experience Wave 1.  (www.hemi-sync.com). There are many was to meidtate. Transendental Meditaton is easy--simply choose a mantra and keep saying it to youself. This will put you into a meditative state.  If you are good at stairing: get a picuture or object (like a lamp) and just keep stairing at it. As you are stairing try to imagine youself as a part of that object.  Bring youself in.
that's just the beginning.
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Reply #21 - May 26th, 2006 at 10:02am
 
Don't you find a disgusting feeling deep down in your mind that there isn't anything after life?
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-I wish I could honestly believe that. But I strongly suspect there IS something after life, I believe that at my core, regardless of what "science" has to say. *Not* because I WANT to.  I'd prefer that there WASN'T an afterlife, truth be told. Different strokes for different folks, eh?

I am just insanely scared that I won't find what I am looking for.
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-Are you sure you actually KNOW what your looking for..?
And if so, are you sure you want to find it?
FOREVER is a long, long time my friend. Maybe it
is better if life REALLY IS finite...

Just my $0.02,

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Reply #22 - May 26th, 2006 at 10:27pm
 
Hey Chumley, in my opinion, when considering the prospects of an afterlife and the surrounding infinite existence of all... I believe that our thoughts/notions of the quality of afterlife planes/physical planes is highly skewed by our current conscientious/dualized embodiment. The realized "ultimate" reality which is by its very nature the undergarment of all that is, is something which is undefinable/indescribable by human standards. I wouldn't neccessarily put off your interest in existing within the infinite based on your experiences thus far in the physical. Remember that this physical existence is not the only form of life, ad infinitum. I'm sure that you have yet to fully experience just exactly what living as a conscientious being truly entails with regards to the overall plan for us all. I can't say that I would even consider teasing the idea that you, or anyone else for that matter, would refuse the prospects of life, when exposed to some of the things that you and everyone else will be exposed to as our lives unfold into the vastness of pure unconditional love. We are just learning to walk as spiritual beings... Once our seeds crack open and we grow through the cracks in the concrete, we will realize that there was a beautiful world of light/warmth/love waiting for us all along... Wink

You may call this wishful thinking... but, just wait and see.

I would say that you may be surprised. But that would be be highly inappropriate/inadequate; --- I  know that you will be surprised. ---


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Reply #23 - May 27th, 2006 at 5:38am
 
Hey Chumley, in my opinion, when considering the prospects of an afterlife and the surrounding infinite existence of all... I believe that our thoughts/notions of the quality of afterlife planes/physical planes is highly skewed by our current conscientious/dualized embodiment. The realized "ultimate" reality which is by its very nature the undergarment of all that is, is something which is undefinable/indescribable by human standards. I wouldn't neccessarily put off your interest in existing within the infinite based on your experiences thus far in the physical. Remember that this physical existence is not the only form of life, ad infinitum. I'm sure that you have yet to fully experience just exactly what living as a conscientious being truly entails with regards to the overall plan for us all. I can't say that I would even consider teasing the idea that you, or anyone else for that matter, would refuse the prospects of life, when exposed to some of the things that you and everyone else will be exposed to as our lives unfold into the vastness of pure unconditional love. We are just learning to walk as spiritual beings... Once our seeds crack open and we grow through the cracks in the concrete, we will realize that there was a beautiful world of light/warmth/love waiting for us all along... Wink

You may call this wishful thinking... but, just wait and see.

I would say that you may be surprised. But that would be be highly inappropriate/inadequate; --- I  know that you will be surprised. ---


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As you like, C.A. -
But I've got my mind MADE UP on this subject.
The ONLY post-mortem existence I will accept is
cryonic preservation/reanimation. (I am currently
researching the subject.)
Everything I love, is right here in C1. All those things
which I HATE are here also... but the things I HATE are made up for by the existence of things I LOVE. So there is at least a BALANCE in C1 - ya dig?
But in the "afterlife", from all the research I've done on it, ALL the things I live for will be GONE (i.e. booze, music with a BEAT, good chow, hot women, anything else that I'd actually LIKE. Unless of course I end up in a "hell", in which my desires for such things would be continually THWARTED. Blow that noise...)
And all that will remain, is things I HATE - like
WORK. Or how about harp music (*retch*)... Organ music (*dry heave*)... Oh, and... CHURCH (*Ugh! Bleccch!! Gag a f*****g MAGGOT*)
I've darkened the door of a church exactly THREE TIMES in the last 20 years, and two of those were to attend funerals and look at embalmed corpses shoehorned into boxes. (Here's hoping for as FEW such future events as possible..!)
So, I'm going for OBLIVION after I die (unless I can actually become physically immortal - the biggest long-shot of all time!) So I guess it's oblivion I'd best shoot for. I wonder how one would go about obliterating one's own soul..?

'Nuff rambling for now,

B-man
P.S. You mentioned that physical life may not be the
only form of existence...
And you may well be right.
But I am ABSOLUTELY convinced that a healthy, youthful, well-advantaged physical life is the
ABSOLUTE BEST form of existence (preferably - MUCH preferably - as
a MALE of the species.) I cannot for the life of
me imagine how being a gender-neutral "ghost"
could be better. How could anybody? That's what
blows my mind...
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Reply #24 - May 27th, 2006 at 10:02am
 
Gender neutrality in the afterlife?  In my little "forays" with meditation and in dreams it seems that All things are possible, B.

Including the "belief" that you are actually in an "Earth-like" environment with "earth-like" abilities, now or later.  Time plays tricks on us.

What if the things you enjoy on earth were actually "enhanced" by your abilities in your own "version" of a heaven? And what if you could remain "youthful" forever there? 

I see you as a person who appears to have what you consider some "addictions" but you are actively questioning and exploring new ways to understand, experience and learn about them.  Isn't that what life is?

When we are babies our mother's milk tastes very very good and we can't imagine anything better and there Is Nothing better for us.  Mother's milk and a mother's touch and everyone around us admiring and fondling us.  Up on our father's shoulders we might begin to see the world from a new perspective.

All of life is a process and we cannot stay the same no matter how comfortable it is.  How enjoyable it might be to remain a baby in our mother's arms and be comforted there.  How exciting it might be to remain on our father's shoulders and see how far our sight can reach.

I think that the "afterlife" simply expands our awareness into new possiblities.  There are helpers everywhere around us.

It seems that we even make regular visitations "there" when we are "unaware" as we "blink" in and out of different realities.  Our desires lead us into new experiences and we learn from them, here, there, everywhere...

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Reply #25 - May 27th, 2006 at 10:20am
 
Hello again, blink...
Couple of comments for you...

What if the things you enjoy on earth were actually "enhanced" by your abilities in your own "version" of a heaven? And what if you could remain "youthful" forever there? 
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-Considering that the afterlife is CELIBATE, I might as well be eternally 93 years old... right? What's the point of youth, power, and beauty if you are in an environment where such things have no use..?

When we are babies our mother's milk tastes very very good and we can't imagine anything better and there Is Nothing better for us.  Mother's milk and a mother's touch and everyone around us admiring and fondling us.  Up on our father's shoulders we might begin to see the world from a new perspective.
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-I prefer the freedom and independence of adulthood. I hated childhood the first time around,
so why would I want to go back to it???

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Reply #26 - May 27th, 2006 at 1:02pm
 
Chum,

Many sources speak of sex in the afterlife.  Food is not the same, but created.  Our thoughts translate into reality.  Why would you imagine we were all celibate or playing harps?


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Reply #27 - May 27th, 2006 at 1:34pm
 
why is it so important to buy the book when you understand how things are like were just gonna die n what ever happens happens lol im still scared of dieing but in my mind i think its just we live for so long and then when its time 2 go its a relief to be gone so i dunno. everyones talking about a book lol why get a book when we kno we gonna die. i dunno lol i wouldnt buy the book lol. ive faced it im gonna die n shit but another thing how does anyone kno about the afterlife and if were gonna see our loved ones if noones been that far into death and came back u kno. well i dunno nemore but i just hope what u guys say is true. another question how do we kno that the book hes selling isnt bullshit like cause hes never experienced the afterlife n came back lol i kno ppl say they seen the light but what if u see the light u walk in it and then ur crappity smackin done thats it?  has anyone thought of that?  im just saying i aint trying 2 be rude or nething ok i just wanna kno well gotta go bye byes

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Reply #28 - May 27th, 2006 at 4:50pm
 
Chumley said quote:
I might as well be eternally 93 years old... right? What's the point of youth, power, and beauty if you are in an environment where such things have no use..?



The point of youth, power and beauty is that it is eternally present and we have ultimate freedom in how to use it, here and in alternate realities.

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quote:  I prefer the freedom and independence of adulthood.


Exactly right, my friend.

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Reply #29 - May 27th, 2006 at 4:57pm
 
Hi Shorty,

quote:  but what if u see the light u walk in it and then ur f**kin done thats it?


Don't worry, Shorty.  The light won't be done with you until you totally and completely understand it.  It's in you and around you and knows exactly what you need.

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