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Reply #15 - May 6^th, 2006 at 10:17pm

Yes DocM but tell this my ego and you'll have a hard time! Actually, I tried the more traditional way of meditation, tibetanian yoga, including to meditate over the void...boy I think I was close to annihilate myself, it was like to choose to continue this human life or not. I HAD to choose, well you see I'm still here. When meditating about the void, don't forget to keep your core or you're about to vanish, that's what I get out of it...(sorta "don't do this at home!")

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Reply #16 - May 6^th, 2006 at 11:15pm

Hey dave & spooky2 thanks for your great replies... I got a lot of useful information out of both of them!

Spooky2... with regards to what you wrote:

"On my early TMI style meditations, often I saw volcanos with lava, tornados and water pouring into lakes (hmmm, four elements...); these of course are powerful-energetic, dynamic, but still form-giving, structure-building or structures in itself. It is fascinating to imagine one can "be" that or paticipate in that; when I was younger I often daydreamt to be wind over meadows, moving through grass and bushes. Was I wind once? A part in the wind? An elemental child? Too long ago...."

I remember reading something in one of Bruce's books where he had actually travelled down to the center core of the Earth, through what I believe to be some sort of spiritual light beam that is ever present piercing throught the very essence of our planet at all times... I remember him having some sort of brief adventures into the "less consciouss" forms of life within our physical planet... (i.e. trees, etc.)... Don't quote me on this, but I believe that it was something along those lines... So yes, maybe as DocM has put it: "You are/were all those things."

This idea seems to be a very logical step with respect to the evolution of consciousness... Really though... where "should" evolutionary consciousness begin? At the most basic level I would believe... That way you would understand/be/experience everything from literally "the ground up"!

What a way to look at things! Wink

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Reply #17 - May 6^th, 2006 at 11:19pm

By the way spooky2, with regards to your quote:

"Actually, I tried the more traditional way of meditation, tibetanian yoga, including to meditate over the void...boy I think I was close to annihilate myself, it was like to choose to continue this human life or not. I HAD to choose, well you see I'm still here. When meditating about the void, don't forget to keep your core or you're about to vanish, that's what I get out of it...(sorta "don't do this at home!")"

I was wondering spooky2... Have you heard of, or do you know of anybody who has "actually" passed on to the spirit world "permanently" through meditation alone? (i.e. reached the "void" and chose to discontinue human life...)

Just curious,

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Reply #18 - May 7^th, 2006 at 8:43am

Hi Mary Ann

I hear what you are saying about experiencing life from a materialistic point of view.

My business partner is like this; he has no interest whatsoever in metaphysics or spiritual side of life.
He reckons what for? We living on Earth, right here right now. And in a way i envy him! (me being deep and profound most times!)

For we are in Earth and it is happening right now; just because you don't think about metaphysical things doesn't mean you are not fullfilling your purpose of being here. Without even thinking about it you are doing it. You know inside you, whether the choices you make are right or wrong or in the middle for that particular time .. or you may not know at that particular time but will realise later. You are doing it naturally, you do not have to look for symbolic reasons as the symbolisim will also be just as natural.

It only people like me and others that lean towards the profound and a balance always needs to be maintained with the outer in doing so. Not everyone has to go 'deep' to experience life and the afterlife.

Does this make sense?!

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Lucy Super Member Offline Posts: 1158 C1	Re: Hell for all of eternity Reply #19 - May 7^th, 2006 at 9:06am augoeideian from a reincarnational viewpoint it makes sense. but perhaps there is something else that would happen if we could all be concious of the process.
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augoeideian Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 958 South Africa Gender:	Re: Hell for all of eternity Reply #20 - May 7^th, 2006 at 9:19am Hi Lucy Yes, agreed. However i think, if Mary Ann is living her life as a normal, law abiding citizen of Earth then she is doing it consciously. The attainment will happen in a natural process relevant to Mary Ann. Yes? (Mary Ann you don't mind us talking about you do you .. lol!)
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Reply #21 - May 7^th, 2006 at 5:50pm

Hey Cosmic Ambitions,

>>> do you know of anybody who has "actually" passed on to the spirit world "permanently" through meditation alone? <<<

I know none, would be difficult to decide, but I've heard of dead bodies sitting in meditation manner with meditation belts in the Himalaya region, must be China now, cause in the report I've seen they said there are only very few left, the Maoists had destroyed most of them. The remaining are amazingly good in shape, when they had been alive, they were monks. Maybe they wanted to end their lifes during, or even with meditation.

What I noticed sometimes in meditation, it gets easier to stop breathing.

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Reply #22 - May 7^th, 2006 at 6:20pm

Wow spooky... that's a pretty amazing story about the Himalayan monks... I know that I've read something in respect to these monks up in the colder regions (such as in the Himalayas) who actually use meditation to heat the core of there physical bodies to "unbelievable" temperatures... They can actually sleep outside in near death freezing temperatures, unclothed and without any external heat... There body is capable of raising its core temperature to such an extreme heat that they can sustain themselves like this for many hours at a time.

I know that while meditating, I have actually started to "sweat" from the heat that my body accumulates... However, I'm sure that it is nowhere near the temperature that these Himalayan monks can raise their core body temperatures to, but it is still significant nonetheless... esspecially considering my bedroom usually resides at roughly 56 degrees fahrenheit at night. (Not warm by any stretch of the imagination!)

Thanks for the reply spooky,

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Reply #23 - May 10^th, 2006 at 7:51am

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Religious beliefs from India, Kashmir, Mongolia, China, and East Asia arise from regions that are more fertile

wait are these regions in total more fertile than the Middle East, or than they all were a couple of thousand years ago.

I'm not sure I agree with the reasons the trends are different, though that is an interesting distinction between the two trains of thought.

I'm not sure the huddled masses in wither group are really that different. So looked ar from afar, these philosophical differences loom large, but in the day-to-day life of the average bloke, what real difference does that make? And of course for the women, these religions that talk of god as a"the infinitely good companion and friend, and not as a regulator or judge " are even worse. Culturally, they suck. So maybe they justify their violence towards women by saying "you reincarnated as a woman, that's your karma(=punishment)."

Maybe neither region got beyond the idea of punishment.

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