Wow Chuckles! That was a great post...

Chuckles wrote:

"so forgiveness is what we do to get beyond karma ideas and guilt. my deceased family members all have come around asking for forgiveness of the slightest things..most of us know how to forgive if it's a family member. with forgiveness love is free to grow."

This is exactly what one of my family members did upon "coming back" from a NDE.

Chuckles wrote:

"from what I've observed nobody forces a life on anyone.its more like suggestions are passed around. seems to be things look really different on the other side, we get overconfident. it also looks like we are conducting an experiment in some ways.
a friend of mine told me he had a planning commission telling him it was too soon to dive into life. they adviced him against it. He said he didn't take their advice. he wanted to go back in right away. u can tell just by studying him he wishes he would have taken their advice."

This is exactly the way that I look at it Chuckles. If I try to look at it as being thrust back into the physical world against your will... this idea doesn't resonate with me. It's more of an "advised/suggested" thing than anything else. But, in the end, I do believe that we have a lot of control over this "incarnation" decision... be it subconsciously or consciously.

Chuckles wrote:

"once I went to see a future life thru the imagination. I was a deep sea diver/scientist living on a floating city."

I was wondering... "sometimes" while I'm lying in bed I will get images in my minds eye of some of the oddest things... For instance, last night while lying down with my eyes closed I got a 1st person image of a car driving down the center line of the road... And on another occasion I got an image of a white car parked in a parking spot by an apartment complex. Sometimes I will see brief flashes of people's faces that I have never seen before in my life. Do you know what these random images might be? (I know this is kind of off topic, but I had to ask because your post reminded me of it!)

Thanks,

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Thanks Katonya! LOL!

I never thought of those faces as being parts of my I/There disc. That's very interesting... I have to agree with you that "eyes are symbols of the soul vibration". You can "really" tell a lot about a person by looking at the eyes. (i.e. sincerity, honesty, caringness, or opposingly... insincerety, dishonesty, uncaringness.)

Thanks for your ideas about those images that I was seeing,

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. Maybe in some other form of yourself, your full legal name was "Alysia Chuckles Katonya"... Now that should get the "wheels" turning! LOL!

Hi everyone,

Hey Alysia, good points you make!  Chuckles!  I love it. 

I agree that on the higher frequencies time does not exist, so everything that has ever happened or will ever happen as we view it from time dimensions has already occurred.  I actually think that time and space may have evolved out of creation naturally.  That’s probably another thread, but I’ll mention that David Bohm years ago talked about this concept in which he thought that our idea of timeless laws governing the universe didn’t seem to hold up because time itself is part of the necessity that developed out of or from creation or the creative process.  For some reason this rings true for me in that I feel time and possibly space itself evolved naturally as lower vibrations evolved. 

Matthew,

Yes, I think you and I are on the same page regarding this.

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It doesn’t make sense to me for the same personality to incarnate again and again and on and on.  Yet there is still the question of soul evolution and the process of creation, so I ask does a personality merge with soul energy or does personality continue to evolve on its own?  Truthfully, I really don’t know.  My way of approaching this subject is to try to understand the creative and evolutionary processes and how the creative process and consciousness works.  One thing I know for certain is that nothing is ever separated.  I would say that we absolutely have to be continually connected to higher dimensions and the higher dimensions have more connectivity in consciousness than the lower ones.

Personally I think this subject is fascinating.  This is probably over simplifying, but the easiest way for me to understand and explain is to use this illustration: God (Creative Force) > Soul (Original Spark of Creative Force) > Soul Family (Sparks of Creative Soul Force or personalities of which I as Kathy exist along with all other personalities originating from Soul)

However, as I mentioned, I think the above really is an over-simplification because as creation progresses many, many more groups belonging to other groups according to vibration seem to have come about. (The whole creating new wholes process of creation.)  But for the purpose of understanding, this concept this works for me on a very basic level. 

Something I’ve always been curious about is the creative process that I think of as the process of the evolution of consciousness.  You might be interested in this somewhat lost hypothesis of morphogenetic fields that Rupert Sheldrake discusses in his book “A New Science of Life” in which he indicates that all systems are regulated by causative fields that serve as blueprints for form and behavior.  Essentially these fields reach across time and space to have a direct affect.  For example when one member of a species learns something new, the morphogenetic field in that species is changed, though the change may be very minimal.  However, if the new behavior is repeated enough, then its so-called “morphic resonance” has an affect on the entire species and in this way a new blueprint is created.  You may remember from several years ago the Hundredth Monkey Principle where when a group of monkeys learned new behavior, monkeys on other isolated islands also suddenly learned the same behavior without any possible means to have done so, except by what could be explained as morphic resonance.

This is similar to the way in which I think the creative process works.  Perhaps soul groups then are formed of those entities whose incarnational experiences and consciousness has evolved in a similar pattern of vibration.  However, the question that still arises for me is what happens to personality Kathy after leaving her physical body?  Is there some sort of merge with Soul?  Do we continue on as part of a soul group?  A lot has been said regarding this subject, however at this point I don’t think I have answers to these questions.  I’m still at the pondering stage.

I think it is possible that the blueprints for form and behavior are more like a revolving door in that consciousness can go round and round and round until sufficient change in evolution takes place to create the blueprint anew for the whole of mankind.  I had an interesting vision one time when I was thinking about this.  In the vision I went into a revolving door fully expecting to come out on the other side.  Instead there was no opening, the door just continued to revolve and I continued to walk in circles.  LOL Not that I don’t do that anyway sometimes.  In the vision the walls that I circled felt like polished marble and resembled a continual blue lined matrix picture of earth as viewed from outer space except I was looking at this picture of earth from the inside rather than seeing it from the outside.  This was a strange vision to say the least.  But what was impressive to me is that this picture was like a blueprint of negative space that was yet to be filled in or defined.

Dave’s experience that he described is what I think of as the transformation process that each of us goes through as we become more and more aware of our spirituality.  I wrote an article about this process that goes into the details of my thinking regarding this.  It will be posted on my website in a few weeks, but if anyone is interested I can email it to them now.  I hadn’t thought of this having to do with the subject of reincarnation previously as I have viewed it as an aspect of the healing process.  I might have to ponder this a bit.  It may or may not be another piece of the puzzle, especially in regards to our experience of the higher spiritual frequencies related to the physical.

K

I like relating on this thread. you are all so deep. I feel I can say anything I want and get away with it and never be driven up the river in my canoe.
Dave, u remind me of this funny tag I would never use, lol,

I know what Dave is saying about reincarnation and the guilt can bring us back here to set things aright. so I have something to write about today in hopes to further this discussion about what is identity, ego, personality, disc, unlimited self, higher self, all that holographic stuff from my current understanding of having viewed myself doing a nasty deed and being forgiven by coming back. its a new thread to start as I can shove out holographic words like nobody I know, besides Justin.
so hope to see some of you in another room. hugs, alysia

When a soul has transgressed on another in anticosmoethical action, eg. abuse, the 'karma' that results is really the *issue* that results. Even that is not entirely accurate, because the issue does not begin with the event, rather the event progresses the (evolution of the) issue, which is always within.

Can a soul in the afterlife, simply say, "ok I know better now, let's move on!" to an issue it is dealing with? (eg. was a rapist or abuser).

In the afterlife, in a life review, in matters of the evolutiological, it is pointless to deceive your guides, helpers and evolutionary orientor. Nor is it possible, but that is besides the point. The entire point is that all experiences and all karma, are *for yourself*.

In most cases, what is realistic and natural, the pattern that has been observed for most progressing souls, is that "moving on" must of course occur, but the true meaning of "moving on", is not merely to forgive oneself and to let go of the pain, but most importantly, because the soul now has valuable experience in this issue (of rape, abuse, etc), "moving on" to a new level of this issue, means to want to use one's experience and understanding to help others in these or related areas.

And what more powerful way, what more effective and cosmoethical way, than to do this in the intraphysical? To reincarnate physically to assist others most directly in these and all areas one is learning in? (in every single physical incarnation, there are many *dozens* of issues of different natures, to explore, balance, progress, interact meaningfully with others, help and love others, with; all of these underscore why every lifetime is so precious, and the tragedy that most individuals unwittingly waste most of their valuable lifetime away in so many ways).

Then what of the "eye for an eye", the experience of being raped or abused as a karmic retribution for being the rapist or abuser? Such a direction, be assured, is far from inevitable, necessary or even desired (by the guardians, guides, helpers, evolutionary orientors, by all higher beings, and most of all by God Her/Him/ThemSelf).

For the soul whom, as described earlier, has the readiness, understanding and compassion to "move on" to a higher, more compassionate, more productive and loving direction in this issue (ie. by wanting to reach out to, interact with, and help others in these and all areas of its experience/issues/expertise), then this is verily the most desired way to 'balance the karma', and indeed to 'evolve the karma' to a higher level.

Only for the less mature souls (we stress that this is a matter of *willingness* to learn, to love, to grow; not merely a matter of chronological age of the soul; thus the idea of 'young souls' or 'old souls', has no meaning to us or to God, in terms of spiritual evolution), perhaps those whose own folly and recalcitrance has made it impossible for them to understand (at the level of both heart and mind) the consequences of their anti-cosmoethical actions, then by their very own actions (karma is automatic, it is not judgemental), thoughts, emotions and energies, similar events (eg. of abuse) will be naturally attracted to them, in a future lifetime or existence.

This (the working of Karma) is certainly not punishment, but (in the eyes of the Universe) a natural expression of what the individual is asking for (by his own thosenes and intention), and (in the eyes of his guides, helpers and evolutionary orientor), an opportunity for learning and growth, an opportunity for "moving on" beyond past pain and folly, all of which is seen from their point of view with compassion, understanding and loving support.

It is thus of utmost importance that people begin to understand, the true nature of Karma, of (the purpose of) physical incarnation and reincarnation, and the deeply intimate relationship between clarification, assistantiality and evolution.

It is hoped that the human race will all make the decision to "move on", instead of repeating old habit patterns of suffering, fear and anti-cosmoethicality. To "move on" together, powerfully transforming (as a phoenix would) old issues of the past, into wonderful new (levels and forms of) strengths, beauty, joyful and loving exploration and creation, together.

Hi DocM,

May I add a few thoughts?

"...The common cognomen of this world among the misguided and superstitious is a 'vale of tears' from which we are to be redeemed by a certain arbitrary disposition of God and taken to Heaven--What a little circumscribe[d] straightend notion! Call the world if you Please "The Vale of Soul-making". Then you will find out the use of the world."
Letter to George and Georgiana Keats from John Keats (1795-1821)

I quite agree with Keats, this world is a 'vale of soul-making': But what is the soul?

(IMHO) Spirit is what we are made of, whereas the soul, is what spirit becomes through the process of living the physical life experience. If spirit is the book, the cover and the pages, then soul is the content of words (i.e., experiences) that tell the story. This is how I tend to view spirit and soul. I do not separate them except by this distinction. I do not consider spirit as one entity, and soul as another, somehow interconnectingly corresponding. There is no separation, no other distinction. There is only one consciousness...that of spirit...soul is the 'flavour' of spirit perceived through that spirit's consciousness.

Regarding reincarnation. It seems quite logical to suggest that soul is not what reincarnates, but spirit. Soul is the virtual self, arising out from the assimilation of the physical life experience as memory, and with each reincarnation, it is the soul of virtual self that changes.

Spiriit is like the bee sent out into the physical world, buzzing from flower to flower collecting life experiences, and returning laden with the pollen of those experiences (memory). Each life lived will sum to a total resonant frequency value, and will add to the overall resonance of spirit, enabling spirit to correspond to higher frequency vibrations.

However, some life experiences may cancel out each other, and no addition to spirit's overall frequency will occur.
Perhaps, this is how spirit is evolving? By living the physical life experience,  we oscillate between raising and lowering the overall resonant vibration, and that by the end of physical life, we are either adding, subtracting, or neither, to the overall resonance of spirit?

The experience of giving and receiving altruistic 'love' raises the resonance, whereas the giving and receiving of hate lowers it, making the physical life experience the determiner of spiritual evolution.
Reincarnation becomes, therefore, a mechanism of self-help towards self-improvement: it's like a cosmic game of 'snakes and ladders'.

After successive incarnations, spirit will hold within itself, memories of different 'souls of self', neither of which will have resonant correspondence with the others, each will not know or perceive of the others; only spirit, per se, will have access to the consciousness of each 'soul of self'. For as spirit has its 'being' in and of its Source, each 'soul of self' will have its 'being' in and of spirit. As above, so below.

Just some thoughts...

Regards All

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I sympathize with suffering humanity Deanna, but comes a day when you want to change the channel you're watching, because if you don't you just continue to suffer the same reruns. its by putting your mind on what is positive that brings alleviation from suffering. thats what I mean about changing the channel.
if u can find just one good thing to think about that brings cheer, you can set up a chain reaction by staying focused on the item which interests you the most. it would be what your intention is for coming here.

may u find the good and hold fast to it...hugs, alysia

Very few people realize how the law of mind and manifestation work.  Although there are books on the subject, self-help gurus and the like, you can only discover this through personal reflection and experimentation.

I think Alysia's comment could also be interpreted "if life serves you up a lemon, make lemonade!"  But seriously, if one focuses thought and intent on good, harmonious success and love, these things eventually manifest in the real world.  It sounds too simple, and I have posted on this previously.  It is not a matter of wish fulfillment or random wishes, dreams, but the impressing of clear intent while calm on the subconscious connecting to the universe (Jung's shared subconscious). 

So we are in fact given tools in the earth school to be happy and we either choose to use these tools and be good to each other, or we choose a more difficult path. 

M