good teachers ask good questions Cosmic!

I think we all teach each other by raising questions like this and I'm glad you hang with us to get the ol noodle cranking you know!

when I think of Jesus I think of the Buddha; as one was for the east and one for the west, although Jesus lived locally in the east christianity gravitated over to the west.
I like the way you think of it, the oneness concept of all spirit, incarnated or disincarnated. is my concept also.  Studying has led me to the concept this system is a belief system planet. its what we have to work from as a basic premise, that everything is a belief and beliefs are not absolute or set in stone.

so with my disclaimer advertisement speech. lol, heres what i think. its also a duality place. I believe J might have had an ego as thats part of the set up here. Ego is not bad. ego is like self image. it is usually self serving and has a survival instinct built in; its part of your genetics to survive. ego also uses comparison values. u know you've sublimated your ego when you stop comparing yourself to others. their accomplishments, or the works they do, etc.
then you are getting beyond duality thought.
what J did is overcome duality thoughts and realized his oneness with all and so judgment belonged to what he called the Father or God.

the thing is all of us are One. So it was we who called J forth to be our savior. If we had not needed instruction he would not have been able to manifest his presence; he had to gain an ego in order to sublimate an ego and learn of, and manifest perfect, undistorted by belief system: ie: PUL.
he tried to tell us not to judge. He tried to tell us to love one another. he knew we would misinterpret, distort and write it down wrong, creating a multitude of religions as it still remains what it is, a duality, belief system planet and we must have our drama! lol. yet in the end we will end up accomplishing what he has..a state of non duality, of oneness, for his words were true, when he said "even greater things than these, that I do, will ye do also."

this was his promise and none of his promises were made in vain. it is my belief we are in those days where the promise he made will come true, as one by one our particular gifts manifest and we can really learn what perfect love is then.

Kyo explains this so much better than I, as well Hilarion does on a personal level. a word Kyo mentions "assistantiality" thats what J was doing, assisting mankind to think beyond center of the universe disease. but don't  get me wrong! lol. we come here as children to experience being the center of the universe, so I'm not judging. my child goes with me everywhere I go. and we all know how selfish children are! ha ha! so my point is theres nothing going on "wrong" here except that we believe it is wrong as we have limited C1 beliefs we guard and protect.

god, somebody stop me! hugs, just some thoughts from a past life where DP loved J soooooo much and still does!

u probably like my ideas as they line up with yours
Cosmic.  I have written down on "to do" list to visit other life systems and see for myself via the imagination/altered state...however, for now this here planet is taking up all my energies!
Monroe in his books, has cruised a home planet he came from where they play fun games all the time. don't know if you've read Monroe's books? he's the founder of TMI,the Monroe Institute in Virginia. As it were, he visited him home and was no longer enchanted with it. I think I understand him. It would be like constructing a heaven like place. it was like this maybe...I set out to conquer pacman..it was so fun. I was so obsessed my boyfriend walked out on me this was my heaven and my challenge. (long time ago) I finally received my reward one day. a bunch of gongs and bells went off. whoopee. no more enthralling challenge. been there, done that.
heaven or a reward system as in competition was at an end. one loses ones nostalgia somehow and only forward motion matters..and they say you can't go home because home is no not the way you remembered it..

there are explorers who check out moons and planets and we had a gal name of Ginny here would do that. check the archives for Ginny. you would like what she has to say. hugs, alysia

  I've been trying to find out about this Jesus character for awhile, and for awhile when still young thought he was just another God realized fella, and in some respects that is true...

 But there is more to this Jesus fella, he's got quite the history with humanity, heck with the whole shabang.

 Some of you have read Bruce's 4th book?   In the 4th book Bruce communicates with what he calls the Planning Intelligence, and gets an overview of the 'beginning' of creation and all that jazz.

  Consciousness the Creator (from Bruce's viewpoint) apparently was experimenting a bit itself, and some of the original Sparks created just didn't return, there was a lack of love in their base it seems.

  Anyways, one of the Sparks did return, and when Consciousness was looking at it, examining it so to speak, it realized its successful completion was because of the incorperation of Love energy within it--the binding, synthesizing, attracting energy which Bruce likended to water holding together the different parts of the dry cake mix particles.

 The First returned Spark became a creational model, and Edgar Cayce's Sources go a bit farther and say that this Spark became a Co-Creator with Consciousness to create many other Sparks.

   I believe that Jesus's Total Self or Disk is the Planning Intelligence--the Creator God of this Universe, the 8th most expanded Disk of which all our immediate Disks and connecting Disks (the other 7) are a part of.

  There are references throughout various literature from Cayce to ND experiences, to Courtney Brown's Remote Viewing sessions, etc. where Jesus is said to refer to other souls as his children, and if my intuition is right then this is very literally the case.

  Yet, he's just another Soul and helping elder brother, no more and no less than any other.

 But according to Cayce's Source he has had quite the pattern in the Earth, incarnating as many of the Biblical Patriarchs and Retrievers from Adam, Enoch, to Melchizedek, to Joshua (who took over after Moses left the scene), to Jeshua the Scribe who compiled much of the Old testament, Aspha a musician who was with David, the fellow known as Thoth and Hermes respectively by different peoples later on, and a fellow named Zend whose grandson started the first beginnings of Zorastrianism.

  His first manifestation was as Amelius in early Atlantis, and Cayce said that Amelius means "The Light", so this Total Self was literally that Light spoken of in the beginning in the Bible and later confirmed by John, who also said he was the Logos.

  In one interesting psychic reading a man asks if he could reach spiritual perfection in that life, and he is told tersely, why should you think you can accomplish in one life what it took the Master some 30 lifetimes to accomplish?  (not an exact quote, but close).

 His Mother Mary, was said to have been the Twin Soul of the Master from the beginning of their Earth advent, and the Immaculate conception was a result of their Oneness and their respective spiritual development.   Mary was said to have balanced the physical, the mental, and the spiritual to the degree to be able to spark life within her self, through the aid of her companionate Soul--later her son (an intersesting aside, Cayce said she was born under the sign Aquarius).  

  He is the living pattern for all which transcends time and space.

 Cayce's Source called him, the Teacher of Teachers, the Master of Masters.

  Cayce also affirms that Yeshua's Ressurrection was very much a 'physical' event as we understand it too, and hence why he showed up to the Disciples and ate with them after, showing that he still partook of the physical, yet transcending it completely.

 Interestingly in the Bible, when he first shows up to Mary Magdalene (whom Cayce says was actually a courtesan before she met Yeshua, and never his wife, but a co-worker and friend), he told her "Touch me not, for i have not fully risen to my Father"

 A person asked Cayce about this incident and why he said that, and Cayce's Source said that his vibrations/emnations at the time were so powerful that if a person who wasn't fully attuned to that energy touched him then, it would have been like touching a live wire and would have killed the person i.e. Mary.

 So Yeshua...  Its taken me from the age 13 to 26 to get a holistic handle on this guy, and i still don't get it all, but meanwhile i just call him friend and hope to live up to his example, cause that's why he came as an example, as he said we must be like him to know the fully know the Father (Source) again and of repeated message in the E.C. readings too because it is always a like attracts like reality/existence in all dimensions.

  Some channels will tell you not to try to be anything, to be passive and know you are God, while this is all true, Yeshua himself calls us to be active, to be like him, to follow in his example in all ways and to perfectly balance and correlate the physical, mental, and spiritual like he did.

And yes, even the physical has some bearing, Cayce said in Yeshua's younger days traveling through India and other countries he learned Yogic disciplines to strengthen the body and mind, all the while gaining through loving all always (obviously the most important part), and always praying humbly and subserviently "Not my will Father, but yours be done in and through me"  (something Cayce said was extremely important to remember full At-One-Ment like Yeshua).   Cayce said Yeshua eventually lost his will (the selfish self) within the Will of the Father.

 I believe Yeshua is the 1800 some odd year old man that Monroe met in one of his forays (from "Ultimate Journeys")--still very much active in the physical plane as well as in all dimensions.

 I believe that he will eventually make a public appearance again, but Cayce said that this wouldn't happen until the like attracts like conditions were relatively met, but Cayce put it in rather bibical terms, "Not until his enemies are wholly subdued in the Earth"   Not that Yeshua has 'enemies' but that those who set themselves up in opposition to the Christ ways, i.e. those who glorify self, selfishness and materialism and who influence others to that way of being, will meet self in the Changes and either can transmute and grow, or temporarily miss this amazing opportunity within the Earth.

   I believe he will show up after the culmination of the Changes, along with other "Masters" (Light Beings) both of the Earth and of other systems.

 Cayce said he would show up in the same body that he walked in Galilee.  

 Physical description (from the Shroud and Cayce's two descriptions):  5' 11", well proportioned, strong and muscular looking, large very well shaped and roundish head, heavy piercing eyes gray or gray blue, somewhat long hair a mix of golden, reddish, and light brown wavy and curling towards the ends, weight 170*, and lack of typical Aryan profile.

*Interestingly, many years after Cayce gave his weight and description in an unusual reading, there was done forensic research on the man from the Shroud image, and it was ascertained by an extremely well respected scientist in that field that the man would have weighed 170, coincidentally this is the same exact weight that Cayce gave years earlier.  

  So Yeshua from the spiritual, spiritual, and physical viewpoint, a holistic look...

 Oh yeah, he has a great sense of humor and pulled a prank/joke of sorts on me in a dream once.  Cayce said he was even cracking jokes on the way to Calvary, and that this is one of the things that infuriated the higher ups the most.

  Hi there Alysia,

  Thanks, and btw kool smily face there.  You wrote, Quote:


  Completely agree, but i'm a bit interested in the whole 'public appearance' thang, like he did for awhile 2000 years ago.  I've read a bit of that book you mentioned, liked some parts.

  Peace and hugs too


  Hi Caryn,

  How are you doing?   Am glad you enjoyed it.  Well probably more so red, than blondish, one reading said, "The Master's hair is most red..."    There is a interesting and detailed NDE which matches with this too, and one that a practicing Jewish woman had had-so no reason to lie or to use red anyways--kind of 'random' as my generational culture likes to say.

   Let me know how you like that book, is it by John Van Auken perchance?

  Anyways, take care and peace.


  Hi Mair,

Nice to see you too.   Very much like your reply.  Yep he was teaching this 2000 years ago, and then some as some of the other personalities i mentioned, particularly Enoch and Melchizekek who seemed to have been Light beings in physical as well (in the Bible Enoch didn't 'die', but was translated i.e. "God took him").

  Interesting stuff...

Peace

  Hi Jambo,

  What would be your definition of "Messiah" btw?

  Peace

  p.s., i don't think Yeshua could really 'resent' anything at this point, but that's just completely conjecture on my part...

Jesus became the realized/actualized Christ of God.  This is a spirtual awareness/knowing of ones own divinity and constant connection to source... oneness with God.  A very deep knowing.

Jesus lived a perfected life and as he grew in stature and understanding he claimed his Christhood completely.  He didn't hide from what he knew to be true, otherwise he could not have embodied the Christ.  In other words, he knew whereof he came even if others did not.

"Messiah" is just a label used to describe the prophecy of one who would come.  The Jews had differing opinions of what this label actually meant.  The meaning attached to it changed over time as well.  Some believe there would be two Messiahs.  A priestly messiah and a kingly messiah.  This could be in reference to John the Baptist and Jesus.

Many thought that the coming of the Messiah meant the end of Roman occupation.  Obviously, if this was the common belief of the people, claiming the label would have hindered Jesus's mission as it had nothing to do with geopolitical conflicts.

Hi I wish i could have been around when Jesus was on the earth ,it was a better place with him being there. I would have loved to sit next to him and i would have asked him so many things. He loved everyone for what they were , and passed around so much love and wisdom while he was there.I envy the people what actually got to meet him face to face ,they were so honoured in my opinion.No wonder the skies went dark and there was thunder in the air when he died ,which was Gods anger at the death of his beloved child, the world was a darker place without him.After all Jesus was the light of the world. God bless juditha

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 Hi there Jambo,

 If looking at Messiah as one who was promised to come by the various prophets, and one who was a Savior (can substitute "Head Honcho Retriever" if you like), then i believe he was and is the "Messiah".

 He played this role in other lives, as other God Realized Light Beings like Enoch and Melchizedek, but since these had entered in a different manner--he hadn't become a full pattern for humanity.

 It was when he was born of a woman, and then re-accomplished/remembered his God realization then he had become the perfect pattern.

 Christ just means Love (and annointed one), and Yeshua was Love personified to a degree not seen before in the physical Earth--especially considering its density or very slow vibration in that cycle--there were other cycles like Monroe discovered way back when in earlier Lemuria (million or so years ago) where MANY were Christs/God realized BUT it was also the nature of the times--meaning the outer energies then greatly faciliated this, when Yeshua was born and lived, there was no such collective help in the physical Earth, that cycle was very slow vibrating collectively speaking....

 So this gives us an inkling just how amazing this degree of spiritual attunement was--the first to accomplish this in the last great cycle (12 full ages times an Age with an Age being about 2300 years, then 12 times that--lol big number).  

 Btw--when i said earlier that Yeshua's Total Self/Disk was a Creator God, i'm not placing him above us, cause i believe that is our Total Selves destiny as well, or "Is it not written that ye are Gods".    Or as Cayce's Source sometimes quoted him, "Ye are Gods in the making."

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 Lol well could have very well been one, but since there is very little historical info on this to go on, its anybodies guess.

  I've seen many, many, many 'true' charts for him, and many differ.  

 There are many Messianic Jews who believe there is proof that he was born during September, read this: Quote:


 Since there is no concrete historical data to go on, and it is fairly certain Yeshua wasn't born on actual Christmas day, i turn to psychics who have been tested and holistically verified in diffferent areas.   Namely Cayce since he fulfills this and gave a large amount of info on Yeshua.

  Cayce gave two major dates for his birth, one short and undetailed reading said March 19th 04 (didn't specify B.C. or A.D., but it is obviously B.C.).

 The other date was given in a very detailed reading which noted the weather was cool, noted the various conditions and surroundings of that time, etc. and said he was born on what would NOW be represented by January 6th.  

 In another reading he was asked about the discrepancy and said that these readings had been approached differently and the dates are different according to which times, peoples, etc. they are reckoned from.

  Calendars and dating methods have changed quite a bit, and January wasn't always the "New Year", March actually use to be the New Year.

 But i'm fairly certain that Cayce's Source tried to clarify it by saying for the January date, What would now be represented by.  

 But wait, how and why would Jesus be a Capricorn, and not a Pisces--heck Pisces is the last sign and the culmination...

 Well, if looked at more metaphysically this Jan. 6th date makes a lot of sense, especially considering Cayce's readings on astrology...

 Cayce paid much less attention to signs than do most astrologers, etc.   He said they were personality patterns and the more a Soul evolved and used its spiritual Will, the less they were described by their "Signs"

 Jesus clearly went beyond Sign descriptions...but there was an actual energy that is important to take into account which happens around Jan. 6th.

 Solar Perihelion!  When the Earth is closest to the Sun in its orbit, and speeds up the most.

 The Sun is the physical representation in our Solar System of the Spirit or Father aspect.    The Sun is the fastest vibrating energy in the Earth System and goes beyond even Neptune and Jupiter which is Pisces ruler (similar energy).  

  Symbolically and literally the Solar energy is more powerful within the Earth during Solar Perihelion, and if we can temporarily forget about Signs as in Sun Signs, then this certainly makes sense.

  Also, Yeshua had a stellium of Arcturus, Sirius, and Pluto all Rising in his Chart, planets or stars close to the Rising Sign become extremely powerful indications and tend to dominate the rest of the chart.

 So his strongest influences when born where Sun, Arcturus (like our Sun but even more powerful and faster vibrating), Sirius, and Pluto.

  To say this was a fast vibrating Chart would be a huge understatement.  

 There may have been more signs of his birth, but astrologically i believe these were some of the major ones.  

 Some claim the sign was a Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in Pisces.  But this is not really that unusual or meaningful.  

 Actually i believe 'the sign' was a light show from some very advanced E.T.'s who were also awaiting the birth of Yeshua and making it a more memorable event!  

 Just like with the Fatima incident and the spinning Sun like Disc that was actually photographed.

 Peace

Hey LaughingRain laffingrain!

LaughingRain wrote:

"and what are planets? heard they were but symbols of cosmic beings."

I kind of look at it like this:

"The planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc., are all just molecules/atoms within the divines "body"... Just like we have molecules/atoms within our physical body that revolve around nuclei... The Source/Divine has planets (molecules/atoms) revolving around suns (nuclei)... We are all infinitesimal pieces of God's body."

Guess this idea kind of ties into one of the threads that I had previously started... which related finding analogies within the physical world that correlated specifically to functioning systems within the various spiritual realms/inner workings...

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I'm not an expert, but isn't it just a cookie problem? I mean to transfer the old cookies into the other computer wouldn't it give you access with your old profile? Hmm. Ok if I tell waste here, just get a brownie and forget it.
Spooky

I can work with Chuckles! LOL!

I kinda liked LaughingRain laffingrain... but, you're right, it is a lot of typing. LOL!

"'Till next time... Chuckles!"

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

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  Yup, the stars impel but do not compel.  But it seems like a lot of people stay more or less bond-servants of their stars (chart)..

  Or to put it another way, in Cayce's day, he gave a reading which said that on average about 20 percent of people would not be very well described by their astrological influences due to the exercise of Freewill and degree of spiritual attunement.

  That leaves about 80% on the other side of it.

  But i do believe that there is an ever growing number/percentage of people who are like that 20 percent above.  In my studies, and doing charts i would hazard to say that percentage has probably gone up about another 10 percent or so.

  I really like what CosmicAmbitions had to say in the below:

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  I would also add that the stars (the outer) have a relative relationship to the growth/developement of our Souls...    There is a Co-Resonation which goes on, and Souls also literally experience the non-physical dimensions of other planets and Stars.

  The 'inner' and 'outer' are connected.

  Peace

Hi Justin
My suggestion of Jesus’ birthchart placing is hypothetical; based on the following:

Caryn’s hypothetical birthchart of Jesus

The Great Cross formation
Scorpio (Midheaven)
The Eagle soaring over mountain tops transformed from the scorpion on the ground.
Taurus (Nadir)
The Bull of Earth at his feet detached from earthly ways.
Aquarius (Ascendant)
The Man Rising pouring Spiritual Water into the dry earth.
Leo (Descendant)
The Lion has been conquered; man has overcome the beast within.

To place the planet’s in the above formation:

I would agree with Edgar Cayce that the birthday of Jesus is January 6th (year?)
This makes Jesus’ sun sign Capricorn which I would agree with; Capricorn being the sign of initiation.

So therefore:
Sun in Capricorn 11th  
Moon in Taurus   4th    
Venus in Pisces  1st    
Mercury in Pisces1st    
Mars in Pisces 1st    
Jupiter in Scorpio 9th    
Saturn in Sagittarius 10th
Neptune in Sagittarius 9th  
Uranus in Capricorn 11th  
Pluto in Libra 8th  
Gemini 4th/ 5th    
Cancer 5th/6th
Aries 3rd  
Virgo 7th
Descendant Leo 6th
Ascendant Aquarius 12th/1st


Further mediation

Capricorn The Light of Initiation
Taurus The Penetrating Light of the Path
Pisces The Light of the World
Scorpio The Light of Day
Sagittarius A beam of directed focused Light
Libra The Light that moves to Rest
Gemini The Light of Interplay
Cancer The Light within the Form
Aries The Light of Life Itself
Virgo The blended Dual Light
Leo The Light of the Soul
Aquarius The Light that shines on Earth across the Sea