Quote:Hey Phoenix
My defintion of the messiah is that of which the Jewish religion describes, but you don't have to raise the dead in order to be the messiah, Jesus changed the world forever in his lifetime here on earth.
I made a mistake with my wording on my earlier post, Jesus would of opposed to being labled as the messiah as he was documented to be an extremely modest and humble chap
Its also a clear fact that the word Christ was attached to his name well after his crucifixition,
Hi there Jambo,
If looking at Messiah as one who was promised to come by the various prophets, and one who was a Savior (can substitute "Head Honcho Retriever" if you like), then i believe he was and is the "Messiah".
He played this role in other lives, as other God Realized Light Beings like Enoch and Melchizedek, but since these had entered in a different manner--he hadn't become a full pattern for humanity.
It was when he was born of a woman, and then re-accomplished/remembered his God realization then he had become the perfect pattern.
Christ just means Love (and annointed one), and Yeshua was Love personified to a degree not seen before in the physical Earth--especially considering its density or very slow vibration in that cycle--there were other cycles like Monroe discovered way back when in earlier Lemuria (million or so years ago) where MANY were Christs/God realized BUT it was also the nature of the times--meaning the outer energies then greatly faciliated this, when Yeshua was born and lived, there was no such collective help in the physical Earth, that cycle was very slow vibrating collectively speaking....
So this gives us an inkling just how amazing this degree of spiritual attunement was--the first to accomplish this in the last great cycle (12 full ages times an Age with an Age being about 2300 years, then 12 times that--lol big number).
Btw--when i said earlier that Yeshua's Total Self/Disk was a Creator God, i'm not placing him above us, cause i believe that is our Total Selves destiny as well, or "Is it not written that ye are Gods". Or as Cayce's Source sometimes quoted him, "Ye are Gods in the making."
Jambo
Quote:...some historians believe that Yeshua was a Pisces
Makes alot of sense
Lol well could have very well been one, but since there is very little historical info on this to go on, its anybodies guess.
I've seen many, many, many 'true' charts for him, and many differ.
There are many Messianic Jews who believe there is proof that he was born during September, read this:
Quote:What is the significance of Christ's birth in relation to the Feast of Tabernacles? I've heard that the timing of His birth can be calculated by using Zacharias' term of service in the Temple (house of Abia, I Chron. 24), and Elisabeth being in her sixth month of pregnancy at the time Mary was chosen.
If we knew for certain exactly when the course of Abia functioned in the Temple, we could certainly determine very closely the exact time of year that Yeshua was born. Unfortunately, this source of information is in rabbinic writings which are contradictory. Because of the contradictions, we cannot be 100% sure which ones are right, or even if any of those rabbinic traditions are correct. For that reason, scholars who work with the sources must come to the conclusion that the date of the Lord's birth is still indefinite.
Quite a few people in recent times, especially in the messianic movement, but also elsewhere, have desperately been trying to connect the birth of Yeshua with the Feast of Tabernacles and, therefore, will cite one source while ignoring the others, but that is not really fair to the material. I do not think anyone should dogmatize on this issue, because the available sources contradict each other.
I personally have deep doubts that Yeshua was born on the Feast of Tabernacles (or during Passover as some others try to argue) or on any other Jewish holiday. One thing I have noticed in the Gospels is the fact that if Yeshua said or did anything on a specific Jewish Holy Day, the writer always mentions it. It would seem to me that if Yeshua was born on any specific Jewish holiday, Matthew and Luke would have mentioned it, as these are the writers who deal with the birth of the Messiah. This would certainly be true of Matthew, who was writing to a Jewish audience; he would have found this significant enough to mention. But the total silence of both Matthew and Luke in connecting Yeshua's birth with any Jewish Holy Day tells me that Yeshua was born on a normal day, therefore, the Gospel writers do not make mention of the date.
Since there is no concrete historical data to go on, and it is fairly certain Yeshua wasn't born on actual Christmas day, i turn to psychics who have been tested and holistically verified in diffferent areas. Namely Cayce since he fulfills this and gave a large amount of info on Yeshua.
Cayce gave two major dates for his birth, one short and undetailed reading said March 19th 04 (didn't specify B.C. or A.D., but it is obviously B.C.).
The other date was given in a very detailed reading which noted the weather was cool, noted the various conditions and surroundings of that time, etc. and said he was born on what would NOW be represented by January 6th.
In another reading he was asked about the discrepancy and said that these readings had been approached differently and the dates are different according to which times, peoples, etc. they are reckoned from.
Calendars and dating methods have changed quite a bit, and January wasn't always the "New Year", March actually use to be the New Year.
But i'm fairly certain that Cayce's Source tried to clarify it by saying for the January date, What would now be represented by.
But wait, how and why would Jesus be a Capricorn, and not a Pisces--heck Pisces is the last sign and the culmination...
Well, if looked at more metaphysically this Jan. 6th date makes a lot of sense, especially considering Cayce's readings on astrology...
Cayce paid much less attention to signs than do most astrologers, etc. He said they were personality patterns and the more a Soul evolved and used its spiritual Will, the less they were described by their "Signs"
Jesus clearly went beyond Sign descriptions...but there was an actual energy that is important to take into account which happens around Jan. 6th.
Solar Perihelion! When the Earth is closest to the Sun in its orbit, and speeds up the most.
The Sun is the physical representation in our Solar System of the Spirit or Father aspect. The Sun is the fastest vibrating energy in the Earth System and goes beyond even Neptune and Jupiter which is Pisces ruler (similar energy).
Symbolically and literally the Solar energy is more powerful within the Earth during Solar Perihelion, and if we can temporarily forget about Signs as in Sun Signs, then this certainly makes sense.
Also, Yeshua had a stellium of Arcturus, Sirius, and Pluto all Rising in his Chart, planets or stars close to the Rising Sign become extremely powerful indications and tend to dominate the rest of the chart.
So his strongest influences when born where Sun, Arcturus (like our Sun but even more powerful and faster vibrating), Sirius, and Pluto.
To say this was a fast vibrating Chart would be a huge understatement.
There may have been more signs of his birth, but astrologically i believe these were some of the major ones.
Some claim the sign was a Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in Pisces. But this is not really that unusual or meaningful.
Actually i believe 'the sign' was a light show from some very advanced E.T.'s who were also awaiting the birth of Yeshua and making it a more memorable event!
Just like with the Fatima incident and the spinning Sun like Disc that was actually photographed.
Peace
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