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Reply #30 - May 9^th, 2006 at 3:40pm

Muslima,

I know the European attitude toward Americans well. I will never forget, however who it was who landed on the beach at Normandy to save France's behind. No matter what president or administration is in office now, things/situations change. However, the notion of freedom, and the unwavering resolve of the American people, separate from the current administration is not to be underestimated.

I do enjoy your posts.

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Reply #31 - May 9^th, 2006 at 4:46pm

Hi Dalila-
Pretty name - nice sound.

Defintely this is world karma of some kind, plus a problem of a young soul who seems more interested in "forcing things to be fixed" as opposed to figuring them out and discussing them.

My initial doctorate was in sociology which included the economic aspects of geopolitics. I see precisely what you are pointing out, and I wish I could do something to alter it, but the people in this country have been given imprecise information. The issue of which currency will denominate petroleum is obviously behind the current situation, and Iran is annoyingly persistent in using Yuan. We've been giving the Saudis promissory notes since 1971, so we're entagled in maintaining their dollar denominated economy, meaning that Iran (selling 14% of China's oil supply) is a competitor, and we're going to simply kill off the competition. So, to get us all fired up, the US Administratin is telling us that they are a nuclear threat. They might become one in ten more years if they can continue with their present plans which will produce enough material to build a bomb in about 7 more years. (They use centrifguges, very inefficient. It requires roughly 4000 trips through a centrifuge, at a day or two per trip, to get weapons grade uranium.) While the government thinks we should have another war, I think we should start learning diplomacy.

The dangers of adding another nuclear nation are questionable. Nukes are dangerous, but not millions and millions of times as bad as chemical bombs. To double the radius at which a bomb is dangerous means increasing its power by the cube, hence 8 times, since we have to fill the spherical volume of the explosion with energy, and the volume increases by the cubve of the radius. Put conversely, the danger radius increases roughly as the cube root of the energy. Our 1 ton chemical bombs have a kill radius of roughly 350 meters over level terrain. To increase their size to a 1 kiloton nuke gives the cube root of expansion of that radius to 3500 meters. A 1 megaton bomb increases the kill radius to 35 km. While these are terrible, they are not the end of the world. Most of the energy simply heats the air and makes spectacular clouds. The government would like us to believe that nukes are milliions and millions of times more deadly, so that we will all panic and choose another war. (This is a technique called Mind Control.) This is going to create real heavy karma for our leaders.

Personally, I ended my military career about 50 years ago, eventually got a second doctorate in clinical psychology with a psychoanalytic speciality, and became a healer instead. Someone has to be here to help those guys deal with their traumatic karma.

The pattern I have observed is that very young souls try to force things to work. As they mature over a few lifetimes they tend to back off and use cooperation, and finally when they have matured, they are just plain people. My favorite example is Edgar Cayce who was a photographer - his healing activities were more or less forced upon him.

As an example, in my past life work I had a man who reported that he had started as an assistant to some Middle Eastern queen who would send him out to capture peasants so that she could use their livers for divination. He was disgusted, and after she killed him and used him in the same way he reincarnated as a king. Then he got the army to force equality on the people. It didn't last. His brothers and sisters assassinated him and restored their old tyranny. In the next life he tried being a military commander, but that led him into killing innocents. Finally he simply became a common person, leaving the world to those who wanted to exploit it. That worked pretty well, and I last saw him going off with a new girl friend.

You're right that working with spooks can be dangerous, but the danger is no greater than we allow it to be. This is an area that is safe for those who either have sufficient experience in meditation that they are grounded, or who simply leave spooks and spirits alone, and work with the needs of the immediate individual instead. On occasion I offer to let the entities ride along with me if they don't like going into the Light - but they always have friends who have died who want to help them into the spirit world because it's simply a better way. The underlying idea is that when we are in accord with the world and with God, there is really no need to worry, because whatever we do is already part of the plan at some level.

I wish for you a happy and enlightening university experience, and that you can become part of the movement toward peace in our world.

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Reply #32 - May 10^th, 2006 at 6:50am

Heya

Yes on a mundane level it is mostly about the earth's resources .. water, minerals, petrol and oil. Time to be resourceful and inventive with our resources : sustainability is a great word; like looking into bio-diesel, hydropower, re-cycling waste etc.

Scary about the bomb talk Dave; albeit already happening, especially when some say we live in the Atomic age. i would like to think that we will reach our natural catastrophe first than a man-made one.

Dalila, thanks for saying part of what you experienced. repeating a 'mantra' is as if casting a spell. i have heard of some cults that tinkle a bell in a certain way with a mantra and a spell is cast - but now this is only if one allows it to happen to oneself - and is best left alone. (skimming dark arts here) and too much credit given to it anyway; peoples imagination fuel the thought so it's pretty much stuck in the 'under the moon' level again.

Dalila, of course God is the Ultimate Being. But i do not dare to think for one minute that He would be interested in the whims of my life. i have too much respect for Him to even contemplate bothering Him. God's plan has been set into motion. This is why He sent His Son as a guide for us.

i believe Christ is way above and totally different from Muhammed (with respect) Budda, Gandhi .. they are not even on the same page as Christ. The Spirit of Christ is of such a sublime Higher Being that i don't think we, as humans, can fully comprehend His Totality. But with the permission of God; we try.

My beliefs and views respecting other beliefs and views.

Yes, so World control struggle power for the ego of men involves us all unfortunately but there is another struggle; the spiritual struggle between Light and dark. Here i mention Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem; not saying it's the struggle but i think it would be good and interesting to discuss it.

Rob_Roy what is Newton's scale? and what Guidance are you talking about? i bet you have everyone thinking .. what about me what about me!! lol ah so you not going to tell us ..

i hardly think that there would be a 'Ascendant Master' sitting on-line lol .. wouldnt the term be a 'Descendant Master' anyway?

the human ego is a strange thing it is ..

Love and Freedom.

oi! a few hours after commenting on your postings Rob_Roy where have they gone?!

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Reply #33 - May 10^th, 2006 at 9:49am

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Muslima,

I know the European attitude toward Americans well. I will never forget, however who it was who landed on the beach at Normandy to save France's behind. No matter what president or administration is in office now, things/situations change. However, the notion of freedom, and the unwavering resolve of the American people, separate from the current administration is not to be underestimated.

I do enjoy your posts.

Matthew

I agree...and all the respect to the soldiers but you cant use that every time in defence,history moves on....America has changed from a democracy loving freedom country to a country that is on its way to be destroyed and all it thinks about is oil in Middle east..and every normandiers will tell you this.It has not started with Bush but even before.
Although i have to give them a plus for saving my people from the Serbs...although this is thanks to Clinton,and he had his interests too,as all politicians do

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Reply #34 - May 10^th, 2006 at 10:14am

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Hi Dalila-
Pretty name - nice sound.

Defintely this is world karma of some kind, plus a problem of a young soul who seems more interested in "forcing things to be fixed" as opposed to figuring them out and discussing them.

My initial doctorate was in sociology which included the economic aspects of geopolitics. I see precisely what you are pointing out, and I wish I could do something to alter it, but the people in this country have been given imprecise information. The issue of which currency will denominate petroleum is obviously behind the current situation, and Iran is annoyingly persistent in using Yuan. We've been giving the Saudis promissory notes since 1971, so we're entagled in maintaining their dollar denominated economy, meaning that Iran (selling 14% of China's oil supply) is a competitor, and we're going to simply kill off the competition. So, to get us all fired up, the US Administratin is telling us that they are a nuclear threat. They might become one in ten more years if they can continue with their present plans which will produce enough material to build a bomb in about 7 more years. (They use centrifguges, very inefficient. It requires roughly 4000 trips through a centrifuge, at a day or two per trip, to get weapons grade uranium.) While the government thinks we should have another war, I think we should start learning diplomacy.

The dangers of adding another nuclear nation are questionable. Nukes are dangerous, but not millions and millions of times as bad as chemical bombs. To double the radius at which a bomb is dangerous means increasing its power by the cube, hence 8 times, since we have to fill the spherical volume of the explosion with energy, and the volume increases by the cubve of the radius. Put conversely, the danger radius increases roughly as the cube root of the energy. Our 1 ton chemical bombs have a kill radius of roughly 350 meters over level terrain. To increase their size to a 1 kiloton nuke gives the cube root of expansion of that radius to 3500 meters. A 1 megaton bomb increases the kill radius to 35 km. While these are terrible, they are not the end of the world. Most of the energy simply heats the air and makes spectacular clouds. The government would like us to believe that nukes are milliions and millions of times more deadly, so that we will all panic and choose another war. (This is a technique called Mind Control.) This is going to create real heavy karma for our leaders.

Personally, I ended my military career about 50 years ago, eventually got a second doctorate in clinical psychology with a psychoanalytic speciality, and became a healer instead. Someone has to be here to help those guys deal with their traumatic karma.

The pattern I have observed is that very young souls try to force things to work. As they mature over a few lifetimes they tend to back off and use cooperation, and finally when they have matured, they are just plain people. My favorite example is Edgar Cayce who was a photographer - his healing activities were more or less forced upon him.

As an example, in my past life work I had a man who reported that he had started as an assistant to some Middle Eastern queen who would send him out to capture peasants so that she could use their livers for divination. He was disgusted, and after she killed him and used him in the same way he reincarnated as a king. Then he got the army to force equality on the people. It didn't last. His brothers and sisters assassinated him and restored their old tyranny. In the next life he tried being a military commander, but that led him into killing innocents. Finally he simply became a common person, leaving the world to those who wanted to exploit it. That worked pretty well, and I last saw him going off with a new girl friend.

You're right that working with spooks can be dangerous, but the danger is no greater than we allow it to be. This is an area that is safe for those who either have sufficient experience in meditation that they are grounded, or who simply leave spooks and spirits alone, and work with the needs of the immediate individual instead. On occasion I offer to let the entities ride along with me if they don't like going into the Light - but they always have friends who have died who want to help them into the spirit world because it's simply a better way. The underlying idea is that when we are in accord with the world and with God, there is really no need to worry, because whatever we do is already part of the plan at some level.

I wish for you a happy and enlightening university experience, and that you can become part of the movement toward peace in our world.

Peace-
d

Thanks for explainig this to me,when its about Iran...why should USA stop them from developing nuclear weapons(if they do,i personally dont think so) when they also have it? and as far as i know Israel has it too.If both USA and Israel have theese weapons,who are they to think Iran is not a country to be truested at? i personally believe more in Iran then Israel...and although i agree with USA on some topics about Iran i mostly think they treat Iran unfairly

I have a question for you,do you remember your "past-lifes"? i have had a professor who said he had theese memories as a child,and he had a lot of problems...today he does not have theese memories,and believes its just imagionation..when you want to believe something you force your brain to believe it,and produce your own memories..or its just part of the evil spirits plans.i also wonder,since you mentioned karma,are you a buddhist?

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Reply #35 - May 10^th, 2006 at 10:16am

Dalila,

I won't get into a political debate, as I believe that this will move your nice thread to the off topic forum. I am not a flag waving Bush supporter. And politics are politics wherever you are. I have yet to find a utopian ideal, other than the small aboriginal colonies here and there.

You sound so confident that America is "on its way to being destroyed." I agree with several points of failings in recent US policy. I can't help but point out the obvious, however. We do not see people of Islam in large numbers decrying violence, suicide bombings or other acts committed in its name. Even Russia and China, our previous political "enemies," drew a line in the sand of human decency that they would not cross, nor would we; this was how the cold war went and was won (eventually). This is not to say that heinous acts were not committed during that time.

If you ask many uneducated Americans what they think of with the title of this thread "Islamic view of the afterlife," they will talk about the suicide bombers getting a gift of 70 virgins for taking themselves out in a packed supermarket of civilians. Of course, I know that a kind soul like yourself would not condone that uneducated view. Still, the world needs more than quiet disapproval.

What it will take to achieve peace is brave people of all faiths and creeds standing up and saying, enough of this! Murder, violence for the sake of killing innocents is a haram! (did I say that right?, an arabic word for abomination to God)

We should all speak up. Talk of failings in the USA and in the Arab world. Talk of peace and solutions. There is no shame in decrying murderers if they happen to claim to believe in the same religion or political system as yourself. I would do it in a heartbeat.

I am also interested in the Jinns as well. It appears you consider these astral beings to be foreign, and evil rather than an aspect of oneself.

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Reply #36 - May 10^th, 2006 at 10:27am

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Yes on a mundane level it is mostly about the earth's resources .. water, minerals, petrol and oil. Time to be resourceful and inventive with our resources : sustainability is a great word; like looking into bio-diesel, hydropower, re-cycling waste etc.

Scary about the bomb talk Dave; albeit already happening, especially when some say we live in the Atomic age. i would like to think that we will reach our natural catastrophe first than a man-made one.

Dalila, thanks for saying part of what you experienced. repeating a 'mantra' is as if casting a spell. i have heard of some cults that tinkle a bell in a certain way with a mantra and a spell is cast - but now this is only if one allows it to happen to oneself - and is best left alone. (skimming dark arts here) and too much credit given to it anyway; peoples imagination fuel the thought so it's pretty much stuck in the 'under the moon' level again.

Dalila, of course God is the Ultimate Being. But i do not dare to think for one minute that He would be interested in the whims of my life. i have too much respect for Him to even contemplate bothering Him. God's plan has been set into motion. This is why He sent His Son as a guide for us.

i believe Christ is way above and totally different from Muhammed (with respect) Budda, Gandhi .. they are not even on the same page as Christ. The Spirit of Christ is of such a sublime Higher Being that i don't think we, as humans, can fully comprehend His Totality. But with the permission of God; we try.

My beliefs and views respecting other beliefs and views.

Yes, so World control struggle power for the ego of men involves us all unfortunately but there is another struggle; the spiritual struggle between Light and dark. Here i mention Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem; not saying it's the struggle but i think it would be good and interesting to discuss it.

Your welcome Caryn,and i respect your beliefs that Jesus can not be compared to Muhammed,i personally believe both of them are great prophets and i also believe that the Messiah(Jesus) will come back and make peace on this earth...i think that muslims and christians have a lot in common and should use that for interreligious purposes.Of course there are "terrorists"(fundamental is not the right word,since every true muslim or christian wants to be fundamental..i believe)

I wonder,since you believe in reincarnation..but also in Jesus(although as far as i know christianity does not teach that).Dont you think his death on the cross is enough? why do you think we will reincarnate?

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Reply #37 - May 10^th, 2006 at 10:39am

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What it will take to achieve peace is brave people of all faiths and creeds standing up and saying, enough of this! Murder, violence for the sake of killing innocents is a haram! (did I say that right?, an arabic word for abomination to God)

Yes of course its haram and i really dont know how those terrorists think.In Quran in one verse God tells (now im just translating) "and those who kill even one man,their sin is as big as if they have killed the whole humanity"

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There is no shame in decrying murderers if they happen to claim to believe in the same religion or political system as yourself. I would do it in a heartbeat.

I agree,although a murder according to us cant be a muslim

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I am also interested in the Jinns as well. It appears you consider these astral beings to be foreign, and evil rather than an aspect of oneself.

Well,i see them both as evil and as good as i believe there are both good and evil jinns.I like this saying: Do not fear the jinn, only Allah, swt. Know that jinn can be Muslim or shaitaan and are male or female. Know that the shaitaan can come to you as human or jinn.

You can read about the jinns on this site

http://muttaqun.com/jinn.html

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Reply #38 - May 10^th, 2006 at 12:08pm

Hi Dalila

Carrying the whole of the 'east' on your shoulders!

There are many levels of Christianity as there is with everything in life; it is said that there is 8 dimension in the physical life.

Jesus died on the cross to show us that there is life after life (by appearing to the three Mary's the next day) The Cross symbolises numerous aspects of transfiguration.

The Bible is full of reincarnation literature in both the old and new Testaments.

i believe; we reincarnate not only for reasons of karma (good or bad) but because we are evolving with the universe and are part of the Creation process. Our spirits need to experience the result of what atmosphere we created in every era - the cause and effect of our actions centuries ago.

And also, i believe, because of certain influences wanting to control people it has been taught that we have only one life. On the one hand it is egocentric and on the other hand it does not allow for spiritual growth because it is not enough time for the person to inwardly explore himself due to fear of the dogma that has been forced upon him in a very short lifetime.

The way we think- individually, now today, is a result of our past lives. In other words our wisdom is the result of many past life building blocks. The leaning towards certain interests, whatever it may be .. gardening, music, art etc. is no coincidence.

And lastly i think that it would be utter choas in the realms if a new soul was produced for every conception on earth. It is hard to think that someone who died 10,000 years ago is mixing with a spirit who died in the year 2006. (although yes the realms are expansive) it doesnt make logical sense. And dare i say there are only so many souls that are counted.

Your thoughts Delila? i agree though, we do have a lot in common and it is finding this common ground that is inspiring.

i like DocM's posting as well - open and honest and good points. Just because one is spiritual it does not necessarily mean one must be all serene and 'above it all' To be brave and strong enough to stand up and say to the fascist not in God's name you dont. As many great Men have done - be nice to have more of them now.

oh and the jinns an interesting way of putting it DocM, and nice answer Dalila. - i do think the jinns are something to ascend above.

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Reply #39 - May 10^th, 2006 at 2:01pm

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Carrying the whole of the 'east' on your shoulders!

what do you mean? Grin

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The Bible is full of reincarnation literature in both the old and new Testaments.

I think i know what kind of stories you may think about and there are explanations for every of them,the answer is not reincarnation.But i will not talk about a religion that i dont even belong to...so i guess if there are christians you can speak about it

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i believe; we reincarnate not only for reasons of karma (good or bad) but because we are evolving with the universe and are part of the Creation process.

I have to admit i dont understand the last part.But i noticed you also,just like Dave,believe in Karma....it is a buddhist belief

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And lastly i think that it would be utter choas in the realms if a new soul was produced for every conception on earth. It is hard to think that someone who died 10,000 years ago is mixing with a spirit who died in the year 2006. (although yes the realms are expansive) it doesnt make logical sense. And dare i say there are only so many souls that are counted.

All our souls are the same age,God created us all on the same time...and he does not create any new souls anymore.Those who are not yet born live in the spiritual world as grown up persons,when they come into earth as babies they have no idea about anything..then when they die they relase everything again.So nothing wrong if a person that dies in 2006 mixes with one from 400....they maybe knew eachother in the spiritual world.I believe this world is set so that all the souls get the chance to be born here and live,and then when every soul has done that i think the time for Judgment has come..but God knows best

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Reply #40 - May 10^th, 2006 at 3:29pm

Hi Dalila-
I'm enjoying your posts - you bring a fresh perspective that lots of us find fascinating. I hope that you'll continue to post here and discuss these ideas.

Since you ask, No I do not regard myself "as a Buddhist", although I practice Buddhism. Because I believe in a single God and acknowledge Mohammed as a Prophet of that God, some of my friends call me a Muslim. Others point out that I acknowledge Jesus as a Prophet and believe that Prophets manifest the One God, I must be Christian. I have used Sufi meditations on the Cosmic Sound Current, what Omar called the "tinkling of the camel's bell", but I'm more of a "cotton-polyestri" than sufi (couldn't resist the pun). My wife looks at life in the world as a pervasive manifestation of God and calls herself a "witch", although she also acknowledges the divine origin of Jesus and Mohammed and practices Catholicism. My impression is that after a certain point we lose identification with a specific group, and instead we take on a general attitude that all is from God, that all Prophets of all faiths have a valid message and were sent to deliver it through Divine means, and that we no longer have to "belong" to a group with a title in order to practice good life. For example, Mohammed was a "son of Abraham", yet we usually don't regard him as a Jew. In the same way, Jesus was an Essene Jew, but we rarely view him as Jewish, and Buddha is rarely thought of as a Hindu.

Buddhism is simply a philosophy that denies the existence of material gods or unchanging material souls. It tells us to make sense of the world, believe nothing until you've tried it yourself and have made certain, to avoid attachments to stuff that doesn't work (like greed, lust, pride etc) and to use a simple "house cleaning" technique (8-fold path, quite similar to Patanjali's ashtanga yoga) to get rid of asttachments in order to feel better. I was initiated into Bardo Thodol (a Tibetan Buddhist spiritual discipline aimed at study of change (and especially passage through life and death) by Gyatrul Rinpoche about 1974. This was a lot of formal mumbo jumbo (based on Bon Lamaist traditions) that made a sufficient impression that I started studying the ideas. Siddhartha (the Buddha) was a Brahman caste Hindu. He effectively was trying to remove the idea of many gods and useless practices from spiritual inquiry - essentially the message of both Jesus and Mohammed - leaving the idea of only a single Supreme Truth called Mind or Consciousness, an intellectual view of God. It's the philosophical side of the same mountain, as opposed to the touchy-feely-emotional side, but equally valid.

My personal experiences include direct recall of being a worm, squirming about in icky-yucky-gooey stuff with a bunch of other worms, and really enjoying it. Like the early Egyptians believed, I believe that God starts us out as an abstract potentiality for there to be awareness, and then develops us, much as I water my plants, and the ones of us who choose correctly seem to make it through to this world today. I say this from experiences. I have had a long series of memories in which I evolved, lots and lots of nameless apelike lifetimes, a few lifetimes as a modern person. My last life was involved with an artillery crew in the Crimea. I used poison gas when I was shooting the field piece, and I received lung damage in this life as karma, which, thanks to God, has made me aware of the folly of doing that so I never have to do it again. My last death was a massive explosion, probaby due to a shell hitting the ammunition of my gun, and it blew me into all kiinds of little pieces. I remember how it ripped off my clothes, throwing me backwards and then ... nothing. My mental image is like a cartoon character, Wiley Coyote, when the Roadrunner hangs him a firecracker and then runs off. In this life I did not enjoy the military, it seemed far too damaging to everybody.

The politics of the Middle East could definitely have been handled better, but the problem remains, we have to have something to do with young souls who want to make war to "fix things". The Middle East is where God has decided to teach us a lesson about human kndness. Terrorist activities, like blowing up a wing of the King David Hotel, have never made sense to me, but there are people who need to do those things, and others for whom they must be done. For example, when I was operating cannon, II needed to be blown up. In this life I needed to get lung damage because of my background in a prior war. Jesus put it nicely, "Such things must happen., but woe to them who are the cause." (Misquoted, but close.) And I think that in the last analysis we might as well side with the Prophet, "Allahu akhbar", whether we understand or not, and our job is to learn. There is an excellent argument, based both on topology and also reports from regression sessions, to support our continued life in the spirit world following this one.

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Reply #41 - May 10^th, 2006 at 9:13pm

Dave,

"My impression is that after a certain point we lose identification with a specific group, and instead we take on a general attitude that all is from God, that all Prophets of all faiths have a valid message and were sent to deliver it through Divine means, and that we no longer have to "belong" to a group with a title in order to practice good life. For example, Mohammed was a "son of Abraham", yet we usually don't regard him as a Jew. In the same way, Jesus was an Essene Jew, but we rarely view him as Jewish, and Buddha is rarely thought of as a Hindu."

Damn, Dave, this is good!

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Reply #42 - May 10^th, 2006 at 10:10pm

Or maybe I'm just confused, Rob.

It seems to be human nature to attempt to be "different", to "stand out as the one and only" and so on. And when we establish human religious organizations, each of them has to be the "one and only way to salvation".

It could be that I'm simply being antisocial, but it makes more sense to me to look at what all the spiritually developed people have said over the ages, and to first examine what they all say. If we go back to Zoroaster and the Zend Avesta we read that "Truth is always on the scaffold, Evil always on the throne." However, at the end of our days, Zoroaster pointed out that we meet all that we have done.

All major religious systems tend to agree, but they add their own little bit about, "You have to belong to Our Holy Group or you'll be eternally damned". I seem to have missed that part in my readings of the Bible, Koran, Vedas, 'Gita and Upanishads or other writings. The part that makes sense is that God is Merciful and Compassionate, the Infinite Friend who brings Unconditional Love and rejoices in recovery of the Prodigal Son. The other part I missed is the part that says that if "Our Holy Group" happens not to like somone because they disagree, we have to set up an Inquisition or have a holy war. It seems that those being served and honored by these human traditions are not necessarily those who established the various faiths.

My reading of the Koran, for example, includes a remark by Mohammed that Jews and Christians are also monotheists, believing in the same one God, and thus should be tolerated and respected. So we have one set of mullahs telling the people to be peaceful and accept their neighbors, and another group that tells their followers to go out and kill. But it's unfair to blame this on Islam, because, as Ahmadinejad
pointed out, we have "borne again Christians" still waving a battle axe. Interestingly, nobody seems to understand what's happening.

I recall the story of Mullah Nasrudin, who had lost his door key. A friend came by and saw the mullah scratching around under a lamp post and asked, "What's up?" The mulla said, "I lost my key." The friend asked, Where did you lose it?" Nasrudin answered, "By the front door." "Well, then, how come you're looking for it way over here? Shouldn't you go back to the place you lost it?" The mullah responded, "Oh yes, but there's so much more light over here." In the same way, those autocrats who have lost their way seem to be noisily looking in places that they find a lot of light. But that's not where they went astray.

Or, as I said, maybe I'm just confused.

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Re: The islamic view of afterlife
Reply #43 - May 11^th, 2006 at 4:14am

I enjoy your posts Dave; i do not think you are confused at all, on the contrary, i think you have your finger on the pulse. Your studies and knowledge of the various beliefs is admirable and we can only benefit from your wisdom. Your life story is touching; my deepest respects.

Dalila

i said 'carrying the east on your shoulders' here (on this site) because i am, now was, worried that you might be under pressure to justify or even feel blamed for actions that obviously you have no part in. You are strong and maybe i come across as being 'patronising' but im always sensitive to other people's feelings. People mean a lot to me.

Because every person has been created by God for a reason and it is in people i find God.

i hear what you say about souls being of the same age in the afterlife, a good point. i think though, a soul that has not experienced civilisation in the year 2006 cannot be the same as a soul who has not. As a soul in 2006 would not understand the soul of ancient Egypt say. i believe we have all experienced the same eras, more or less at the same time, to reach what we are now.

i believe that reincarnating into the earth realm is very important for soul development and growth for the advancement of the universe. The wiser we become (mainly in love and understanding, i think) the purer or cleaner the earth becomes and is ready to transform into a higher level. The universe is not stagnant; it is expanding physically and spirituality and we are expanding with it.

i dont think karma is only a buddhist belief; a tree has many branches with the same root.

You right Dalila - God knows best.

Have a great day.

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Re: The islamic view of afterlife
Reply #44 - May 11^th, 2006 at 11:36am

Hello Caryn,Dave... everyone

Dave,i understand what you say and i agree..all religion come from the truth.BUT,during the history a lot of changes have been made...so when buddhism teaches about people beeing good..its a part of the truth but when they teach about reincarnation,no-god..they speak about a lie that was made up later.Then i dont agree that all religion teach same...hindus are not monotheists,buddhist dont believe in God at all.The only strict and true monotheists are muslims and jews,and the ancient followers of Zarathustra(according to many muslims a prophet,since we believe that all peoples had thier own prophets that teached them monotheism).Then you can ignore the fact the most important part of religion:AFTERLIFE is so different in theese religions.More then half of the population believe in the Abrahim faith(its even spreading..islam in Africa,christianity in Asia,like China,Korea,India)..that does not include this theory.When you talk that every religion belongs to a group you are right,but not for muslims

.M means one who obeys God(i hope i translated it correct)..he can be who ever he wants too.All the religions and the people have the names of the founder..hindus of Hinduism(which means the people of India),buddhist from Buddha,christians from Christ and so on..only muslims have a name that has nothing to do with any of the prophet or book or teritory...and in the holy Quran God does not say Abraham was a muslim but Abraham was a "true monotheist"..and a muslim can call him self a monotheist too,nothing wrong with it or you can translate the arabic word of "muslim" and say just "i obey God"

Caryn,ok well i understand that some people think just because you are muslim you are "one of those".They actaully dont even know that less then 12% of all the muslims are arabs..which means a large majority of muslims dont understand the politics in the arab countries,and as we know the arab leaders use religion for their own purposes..so islam is targeted by the dictators and terrorists.

I dont believe that the afterlife knows about modernism and such things,the afterlife is spiritual so my soul wont even care about the cars,computers and everything else that it lived through on this earth..so i dont think there will be a problem for a soul from the time of Moses to talk with lets say me

.Since the afterlife is a toldelly new dimension,and as i believe that we lived before we got born this means we lived even under the middle ages,stone ages, and will live after we die.

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