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The islamic view of afterlife
May 4^th, 2006 at 3:52am

Hello,i would like to talk a bit about the islamic view od afterlife and what you think about it

We muslims believe in one thing called "Berzah" its a spiritual world where we as souls lived before we got born and where we return after we die,and stay there untill judgment when all the souls will get into their bodies again and get what they deserved(hell or heaven).We dont believe that there is a possibility to se dead people(ghosts),you can contact with them only through dreams.If you happend to see a ghost(which is more usual then we think) it is the jinns we see(they are invisable people who live on this earth just like we).There are different kind of jinns,every human has his jinn that looks exacly like he or she,when he/she dies the jnn stayes and many times starts apearing to the ones that are left behind.Sometimes they also start to follow a newborn baby(even if the baby has its own guarding jinn)..then the child will think it remembers "past lives" cuz it cant know that its just the jinn thats "telling" the life of a dead person,the child thinks its his or her memories.By time..it dissapears and we also know that those who claim remembering a past life usually forget it as they grow.Thats why we muslims toldelly deny reincarnation,its just something that satan made up to fool people..and its just wishfull thinking.But you cant say thats its better knowing that your beloved one has been reborn into an other family having no idea about you,then knowing that your beloved one is in an other "world dimension" living with the other ones that died and waiting for his beloved ones to cross over and continue to live togheter as they did before he died

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Reply #1 - May 4^th, 2006 at 5:11am

Hi muslima23

Thank you for sharing the Islamic religion.
As a Christian 'westerner' it is interesting to have an insight to the Islam belief.

i would like to comment from my belief perspective; please do not think that i am 'arguing' with you though. i think it is wonderful that we can discuss beliefs, that mean so much to all of us, in an open manner. Thanks for the time muslima.

i see how there is a different view on the Afterlife;
especially the reincarnation belief or rather non-belief. From my view; i firmly believe that one life in Earth is not enough to evolve ones Spirit. i can understand what you say about a beloved being born into another family without the 'first' family knowing about it. In this i feel although we are part of a whole we are individual and need to experience numerous lesson's in Earth as an individual. We belong to a group entity, this is our whole. We come and go from our group entity as individual's to learn and experience knowledge in the realms; this knowledge we bring back to our whole entity as an on-going evolving process. i believe detachment therefore is important for the individual and for the whole. We are not meant to consciously re-call every past life in the Earth realm for this reason of detachment.

i believe that when we pass over; we judge ourselves time and time again. i do believe that there will be the Great Judgement day at the end of a planetary cycle.

The jinns you write about sound interesting; i would say that the jinn, that looks exactly like the person, is the person's astral body. The spiritual body counterpart. it is a bit scary to think that a baby is open to 'jinns'.

i think; a baby and young child is closer to God then an adult; her astral body is stronger then her physical body at this stage and it is through the astral body that she is in touch with her whole entity and she perceives nature different from an adult (who through the process of gravity and influences starts to seperate)

As Jesus said; be as a young child and the heavens will be open to you.

The child does have a far greater memory and understanding of herself and creation from her own individual Spirit.

Well, muslima just some of my views from my belief.
i'll be interested to hear your comments and i look forward to hearing more about Islam.

And other member's comments on this topic.

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Reply #3 - May 4^th, 2006 at 9:27am

Very interesting views- the Jinn does seem like what some call the astral body. I am suprised more Muslims do not come out in large numbers condemning the suicide/homicide bombings that are so heinous, and on display these days in the middle east. Clearly, if Islam is based on, in part the same universal God as Judaism and Christianity, these actions would warrant some worldwide statement opposing them.

Everything I have heard about a reward in heaven for suicide/homicide killing seems to be coming from only the extremist elements. I suppose if that is what is in your heart, you can find some chapter and verse to justify it. What do you think, Muslima?

Matthew

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Reply #4 - May 4^th, 2006 at 9:37am

Thank you, muslima, for sharing this information.
I also am interested in your understanding of the jinns. Can you contact them with questions about what they know from where they are at, or are they just shells and only know what they just lived in their recent life? Are they stuck as jinns forever?
Thank you for the information you share. It's good that you are helping us understand. Betson

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muslima23

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Reply #5 - May 4^th, 2006 at 12:19pm

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Hi muslima23

Thank you for sharing the Islamic religion.
As a Christian 'westerner' it is interesting to have an insight to the Islam belief.

i would like to comment from my belief perspective; please do not think that i am 'arguing' with you though. i think it is wonderful that we can discuss beliefs, that mean so much to all of us, in an open manner. Thanks for the time muslima.

i see how there is a different view on the Afterlife;
especially the reincarnation belief or rather non-belief. From my view; i firmly believe that one life in Earth is not enough to evolve ones Spirit. i can understand what you say about a beloved being born into another family without the 'first' family knowing about it. In this i feel although we are part of a whole we are individual and need to experience numerous lesson's in Earth as an individual. We belong to a group entity, this is our whole. We come and go from our group entity as individual's to learn and experience knowledge in the realms; this knowledge we bring back to our whole entity as an on-going evolving process. i believe detachment therefore is important for the individual and for the whole. We are not meant to consciously re-call every past life in the Earth realm for this reason of detachment.

i believe that when we pass over; we judge ourselves time and time again. i do believe that there will be the Great Judgement day at the end of a planetary cycle.

The jinns you write about sound interesting; i would say that the jinn, that looks exactly like the person, is the person's astral body. The spiritual body counterpart. it is a bit scary to think that a baby is open to 'jinns'.

i think; a baby and young child is closer to God then an adult; her astral body is stronger then her physical body at this stage and it is through the astral body that she is in touch with her whole entity and she perceives nature different from an adult (who through the process of gravity and influences starts to seperate)

As Jesus said; be as a young child and the heavens will be open to you.

The child does have a far greater memory and understanding of herself and creation from her own individual Spirit.

Well, muslima just some of my views from my belief.
i'll be interested to hear your comments and i look forward to hearing more about Islam.

And other member's comments on this topic.

As a tree; there are many branches.

My love and respect to you.

Thank you for your post its great that we can discuss like this,different religions without any argueing

I understand what you mean and i agree that we all are "one family",after all we all come from one man and one woman,both Islam and Christianity teach us that.I dont agree with the theory that it is not enough for a spirit to evolve in one life,because the spirit continues to "grow" even after the death("death" if you think doesnt even exist,only different levels of life).Secondly,lets say that our spirits need more then just one life to reach a great level(or how to call it) its still not possible because we are all beeing born,live,get old and then at the end die.If reincarnation is true then how can it be possible to grow spirtually if you are beeing born again as baby who even has to learn how to talk...does it mean that a child of 5 years is on a higher spiritual level then a old woman of 77 who is near death? cuz with the reincarnation theory,the child has allready died and been reborn...and logically it is on a higher level then the old woman ?

We muslims do believe that the soul would need more then just one life if there was no spiritual life(life without a body) but as both the Quran and also the Bible(and also the ancient Hinduism) teaches us...there is a life after this life so thats where our souls continue to "grow" without beeing reborn as babies and beeing forced to go through the same things as before.To me it just does not make any sense,but of course I do respect your belief.I also find it interesting that you as a christian believe in reincarnation

PS:Im sorry but my english is not so good thats why you may understand it wrong..its very hard to explain what i mean,but i hope you understood

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muslima23

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Reply #6 - May 4^th, 2006 at 12:26pm

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Very interesting views- the Jinn does seem like what some call the astral body. I am suprised more Muslims do not come out in large numbers condemning the suicide/homicide bombings that are so heinous, and on display these days in the middle east. Clearly, if Islam is based on, in part the same universal God as Judaism and Christianity, these actions would warrant some worldwide statement opposing them.

Everything I have heard about a reward in heaven for suicide/homicide killing seems to be coming from only the extremist elements. I suppose if that is what is in your heart, you can find some chapter and verse to justify it. What do you think, Muslima?

Matthew

Hello Matthew,

There is no proof in the Holy Book Qur'an for any terror actions that some terrorist do today in the name of islam.There are some hadiths but those hadiths are by 99% regarded as Daif(false) by the learned islamic scholars.

When its about jihad,it is not at all what the media presents it as.It has nothing to do with terror..jihad is mostly an inner war in your self..between the good and the evil.There is also a big jihad and that is if you are beeing attacked you have to defend your people..but never harm the others,if you do so God will punish you and somtimes even the people.That is the true jihads,not terrorism

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muslima23

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Reply #7 - May 4^th, 2006 at 12:44pm

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Thank you, muslima, for sharing this information.
I also am interested in your understanding of the jinns. Can you contact them with questions about what they know from where they are at, or are they just shells and only know what they just lived in their recent life? Are they stuck as jinns forever?
Thank you for the information you share. It's good that you are helping us understand. Betson

Sure you can contact them,infact they love to contact with us..but God has forbidden that and a true muslim would never do it.

There are different kind of jinns,good jinns,bad jinns and the jinns that are "your copy"(sorry i couldnt find any better explanation).The jinns that i was talking about before where the last ones,every person has one and they follow you all your life,they know your feeling and they feel whatever you feel.

The other jinns live their lifes just like we..they can even fall in love in a human,and when that happends they make themselves apear to the man/woman as a human beeing.I personally think its dangerous and i also understand that it sounds funny to those that dont believe in this,they are invisible and only animals can see them..althoug when they want they apear to humans too,but they are taking a risk.

It seems many of you guys were interested in the jinns,if you have more questions just ask

God bless you

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Rob_Roy Super Member Offline Posts: 539 New Hampshire, USA Gender:	Re: The islamic view of afterlife Reply #9 - May 4^th, 2006 at 9:23pm In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Muslima, Peace be upon you. Your English is good. I've had no trouble understanding your posts. Please do not be discouraged at all. with Love, Rob http://www.islamia.com/the_life_of_compassion_and_love.htm
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Reply #10 - May 5^th, 2006 at 5:15am

Hi Muslima and all; an enriching conversation.

Muslima your english is very good, please excuse my lack of an Arabic language.

In most cases it is correct to say that a 5 year is spiritually older than a 77 year old. This is the evolution of mankind; the 5 year old is the new generation and brings her wisdom and experience into the new generation.

Our Spirits physically learn and experience deeply in the Earth realm mainly through our emotions.
A baby who is re-born into Earth brings her Spirit's accumulated experience with her; each life in Earth is a building block to achieve a conscious level of Spiritual advancement that will enable her to attain/reach higher understanding/enlightment in the Spiritual realms when she passes over.

Her group entity resides in and from the 'fifth' spiritual realm, most Spirits that pass over go to the third or fourth realm. It is this initial attainment that she seeks when she passes over.

It involves our glandular/charka function that determines our level of vibration. A fine tuning that needs to be at a certain 'speed/vibration' to allow attainment of higher realms.

We are born with our glandular metabolism that we acquired from our previous lives. Our present glandular make-up may be changed while in Earth, mainly through symbolic fire, the measure of our glanduar vibrations when we pass over determines how far we will go in the Spiritual realms. Glandular metabolism may/can not be changed in the Spiritual realms as here we live with the Fruit of our Lives experiences.

We certainly do learn, experience and understand, through different eyes in the Spiritual realms but fundamentally our Spirits are absorbing this without changing. Reincarnating back into the physical realm, the Fruit of the past-lives and the fulfilling of the Spirit while in the non-physical realms is the result of the present day life that unfolds with the glandular metabolism brought with through the Descent of the Spirit into the Earth realm.

This is reincarnation. Hermetics and gnostics; preceding and heralding the birth of Christ had a firm grasp of this knowledge that unfortunately got lost or misunderstood through materialism.

It is interesting that Islam believes in life after life but not in the Earth realm.

We are all descendants from the Atlantean Great Flood. From the West (Atlantis) the Spirit went to the East; here in the East the Spirit settled. From the East the civilisation of the Spirit went West again.

The East being in direct commune with the Spirit.
The West civilising the Spirit through materialism.

Spirit (East) and Intellect (West); the polarities of evolution. The Mystery of Golgotha (the Crucifixion of Christ; a mystery as it is hidden and needs to be sought) is the joining together of these two paths, that is still to happen or might be happening now.

My studies and understanding.

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muslima23 Ex Member	Re: The islamic view of afterlife Reply #11 - May 5^th, 2006 at 6:19am Quote: Your English is excellent Muslima...You carry on!! Thanks
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muslima23

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Reply #12 - May 5^th, 2006 at 6:19am

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In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.

Muslima,

Peace be upon you. Your English is good. I've had no trouble understanding your posts. Please do not be discouraged at all.

with Love,
Rob

http://www.islamia.com/the_life_of_compassion_and_love.htm

Peace be upon you too and thank you for that link,May God reward you

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muslima23

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Reply #13 - May 5^th, 2006 at 6:28am

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Hi Muslima and all; an enriching conversation.

I toldelly agree

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Muslima your english is very good, please excuse my lack of an Arabic language.

No need for excuse because neither do i speak arabic

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In most cases it is correct to say that a 5 year is spiritually older than a 77 year old. This is the evolution of mankind; the 5 year old is the new generation and brings her wisdom and experience into the new generation.

Thats because the world gets modern,the world moves on..and if the old person would be able and have the power to learn everything new i dont think she would be in any way less better then the child.in fact,even better cuz they have more experience.

I must admit i am not so good at theese things,cuz i never really cared about reincarnation and i always saw it as something that buddhists and hindus believe in thats why i find it interesting that you explained to me what it is you actually believe.

I have one quastion to you;do you believe in Hell and Heaven as the Bible describes it?

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Reply #14 - May 5^th, 2006 at 8:51am

Hi Muslima

lol an Arabic language .. i blush furiously!!
May i ask what is your home language?

Indeed the older person has learnt through the years and for this the older is honoured. i like your perspective on this.

Yes i do believe in Heaven and Hell. Heaven being many Mansions and Hell being realm one. (Earth realm two .. the numbering only to name the different realms)

i believe we create our own hell or heaven; within our present planetary cycle.

For example; when a murderer passes over he finds himself in a cold, dark place and he might find himself in an animal form (as a beast) This is his reality that he has created himself through lack of love and respect for life. He has created his own hell.

However, the Sun embraces all creation in all realms and because he is of the human race, he soon realises what he did was wrong. The Light exposes the dark. He has to live with himself in the environment he has created. He (with the help of the Angels) decides that in order to make his reality a better place he must come back to earth, to make ammends (Karma) and become a better person.

Once he starts thinking/feeling this need to improve himself his hell starts to cheer up a bit and he transform from a beast onto his two legs. Ready to go through the process of Descend into the earth realm.

This is a case of a murderer. One can only imagine the reality one would create if one had to help a child or someone in trouble.

Both cases would reincarnate for different reasons.

Thank you for explaining Jihad; as an inner war - a conflict between right and wrong that tests us all the time. The Book of Revelation describes this inner war as well. A micro (us) in the macro (universe)

It is sorrowful that every nation has its evil element. And because one only hears and sees the badness of a nation it is assumed that the whole nation is like this.
The Light will shine out of good hearts and the Light will expose the darkness.

This is why it is wonderful to have this conversation; to understand each others diversity and commoness.

Do you believe in Heaven and Hell,
Muslima?

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