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Jambo Full Member Offline 1987, a great year for the human race. Posts: 182 UK Gender:	Does the mind = soul? Apr 28^th, 2006 at 9:44am Hi everyone I was just comtemplating something and was wondering what your opinions are on this. Is the mind the same as the soul or is the mind the soul that people talk of? IMO they are the same things, as the the souls supposedly gives us our character well so does the mind ??? Looking forward to hearing some replies
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hiorta Full Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 102 Scotland Gender:	Re: Does the mind = soul? Reply #1 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 10:29am Don't think so. The greater the soul, the more of mind quality can be expressed - as the more adept violinist could produce more from a better quality of instrument.
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Reply #2 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 10:31am

Jambo,

At our most basic level we are thought and awareness. Thought with belief = the power of creation, either in the heavenly realm or on earth. How could our "soul," be separate from this? You can talk about someone playing with "soul," on an instrument, but that is merely being colorful in a way talking about emotion, feeling, and participation.

We make our main mistakes distinguishing ourselves as something separate from God and the universe. To subdivide the mind and the soul is an artificial construct. Freud divided the mind into id, ego and superego. It worked for certain issues in the real world. However, it was a construct rather than a reproducible finding of a division.

Recognition of unity, and feeling of unity and awareness of the infinite and the interconnectedness of all things is what we should seek.

So, in a nutshell, I would say our awareness and thoughts would be inseparable from our soul.

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Reply #3 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 3:45pm

Greetings Jambo,

I would hope to our "highest of highs" that the mind was not the very essence of our soul... However, I guess it depends at which level you speak. For instance, I know many people whom suffer severe mental disorders, (not their fault), and I would hate to see some of those traits carry on at the soul level. Also, when considering head injuries and the like... It would be almost torturous to allow that kind of damage of the mind to carry on into soul attributes. Personally, I would see absolutely no benefit in that in regards to our spiritual evolution. I believe, (but don't quote me on this), that Bruce has commented on the minds of say, people who suffer severe retardation, and that the retardation does not carry on at the soul level... However, (and again, don't quote me on this), I think I remember reading something about people with alzheimers, etc. being in a confused state at the moment of death, and ending up at some "lower" focus level because of that confusion... So as to say, the mind does carry on into the soul... Still, I can't find any reassuring logic behind this.

Correct me if I'm wrong,

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Reply #4 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 4:19pm

I personally tend to agree with Peter Novak; Yes, they are (usually) two distinct entities, but both are pieces of you.

I am amused by CA’s observation that there is no LOGIC to this. He is correct, this makes no LOGICAL sense.

The reason for this (I believe) is that the Soul (Subconscious) has a LOGIC all its own. Nothing like the Conscious at all.

When you can learn to THINK from the subconscious, it will make sense

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Reply #5 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 4:36pm

My friends, let us get our definitions straight. The subconscious mind and the conscious are not the same divisions as the mind and the soul.

These are all semantic terms, of course, thus as I said in my post, making divisions like this can be somewhat arbitrary. The mind is likely to be represented by our current thoughts as they relate to physical reality. However, I take the term mind to include broader thoughts as well, and in that, our essence or soul would be included. Why does our essence or soul have to be what is unconscious or subconscious?

The subconscious has an area that is "us," and a shared area (what Jung called the collective or shared unconscious). This is an area we receive messages from both the afterlife and from our interconnectedness to all things.

I suppose it does depend on your semantic definitions. I for one do not believe in the divisions, and do not believe the soul exists in any way separate from our thoughts. You should not necessarily feel only pity for the mentally incompetent. Many view them as having one foot in the physical world and the other in the spiritual. Thus, it could be argued that their entire "mind/soul" is not there, and what is left to interact on the physical plane appears confused and deranged. Its a complex explanation, but it may work.

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Reply #6 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 5:07pm

DocM wrote:

"You should not necessarily feel only pity for the mentally incompetent. Many view them as having one foot in the physical world and the other in the spiritual. Thus, it could be argued that their entire "mind/soul" is not there, and what is left to interact on the physical plane appears confused and deranged. It is a complex explanation, but it may work."

I like your thoughts on that DocM, it sounds reasonable to me...

The only thing I'm wondering about is that Bruce talked about a focus level where people resided that were confused and disoriented as a result of say, dimensia/alzheimers/etc.. Any thoughts on that?

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Reply #7 - Apr 28^th, 2006 at 5:13pm

Hi Jambo I beleive that the mind and the soul are one, because when the soul leaves the body at the point of death, it holds the personality of that person and personality comes from the mind.If someone hurts your feelings,then the soul feels the hurt which is how it progresses, from the feelings of the mind.Same with every feeling we have ,which is were the soul and the mind are working together. Just my thoughts on this subject. God bless juditha

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