Lorena, a young widowed mother of two girls, is working hard to raise money to buy a new home (the old one, a mobile trailer, is in bad shape). She is offering Angel Readings for a $5 donation towards her new home. Full details can be found on her webpage is here :
http://ahomeofmyown.blogspot.com

Those interested in Lorena's Angel Reading, can view a sample Reading that was done for a friend, Simpo, here :
http://simpo.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=transformation&action=display&threa...


Thanks for reading, have a great day!
Kyo

Hi Kyo,
I would like to email Lorena to request a reading.
What information should I provide?
Does she need my name and D.O.B.? Maybe time and place of birth?
Could you please let me know?
I'm looking forward to my reading. I think I can do with the guidance .
Thank you very much.

Peace.

S.C.

Hi Kyo.

I may give this reading a try.  It seems sincere.  I am reminded however of a course I took at Columbia University on human personality.  In the course, we were told that we were going to get a new computer generated analysis of our personalities.  That everyone's reading would be tailored toward them.

The class was amazed; the accuracy was rated at better than 90%.  Everyone wanted to know how it happened. 

The readings were carefully crafted to cover all bases, so that everyone saw themselves in the reading.  "You are shy at times, but you can have other times when you want to let your hair down and let go."  - A shy person who who wants it to be them, or an extrovert each might respond to this statement positively.

So I guess, I'm not a confirmed skeptic, but I would like to see my own reading and then decide how accurate it is.  Lorena must be truly blessed if hundreds or thousands of people's angels communicate to her without seeing the person or knowing their specific age, birth, geography and history. 

I am, however open minded, so I'll see what I get.  I may be a little suspicious if my angels are named Maya or Rochelle.

Matthew

Matt

There is a difference between questioning the validity or truth of an issue and being rude.  I think your post is both logical and polite.  As usual, trying a reading out for yourself may be a way to go about things after hearing other's testimony. 




Matthew

This reading is very similiar to what one would get off angel cards at this site:

http://www.consciousone.com/c1Cards/cardsView.cfm?cardGroupID=1

I'm not suggesting in a definitive way that her readings are not good, but there is an element of clairvoyance in card reading, and doing a cut-and-paste job is not the same thing as doing a real reading.

That's how this appears to me. I'm not a card expert, but I do use angel cards and this is missing something, and that something is the intuitive aspect that's there when guidance is assisting. The most I see here is the mere selection of cards, which anyone can do themselves. We don't know if her guidance was assisiting in this reading or not.

Kyo: I'm surprised you got so spun up about this. Forgive me, but you are smarter than this. I see nothing in the reading that tells me it's guided and not cut-and-paste. Not that I don't feel compassion for her; I do. I would suggest getting a reading as a way of donating without offending her pride.

Rob

Just pay $5 and I will understand? 

Sorry but those points you listed all apply to me too.

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Ok, my reading :-

Farmer Joe:

Farmer Joe says you will at one point soon discover a new chance for money. You must decide between small wealth or feeling happy

Sue the Cleaner :-

You have a love interest and will soon feel that you will need to resolve this. You are strong willed at times but are shy too.


OK that reading will be $2 dollars please. 

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As Byron Katie puts it, the situation isn't the problem. Our thinking (ie. beliefs) about the situation, is.

Strictly speaking, there is no 'true' or 'false' guidance, only (relatively) helpful guidance and (relatively) unhelpful guidance. The 'true' guides are those who are in a position to assist, and have the consciential clarity to do so effectively. The 'false' guides are those who do not have the clarity and capacity to assist effectively, and often act as intruders.

Who makes the judgement then, whether any given being acts as a 'true' guide or 'false' guide? It is a collective judgement and collaborative understanding of the beings that wish to assist, the guides & helpers.

But that does not make the matter 'objective', because such a term has an unhelpful conotation of reality being separate from the beings themselves, and therefore a conotation of irresponsibility.

Matthew, we've been over this matter (of right/wrong, relativity, cosmoethics, etc) many times. No point flogging a dead horse, or bringing this up over and over again. If you come to a decision that you prefer to believe in an objective 'right' or 'wrong', etc, then that is fine, really. No double standards here from either of us. I suggest you let the matter rest.


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There's nothing to 'believe' or 'not believe' the communication. In such a scenario, you might make an analytical and/or intuitive opinion (which cannot be 'right' or 'wrong', but it can be (relatively) accurate or (relatively) inaccurate; to insist on a 'right' or 'wrong' is a slippery slope to dogma), on how skilled/evolved/competent the psychic (giving the Reading) or the entity (that is being channeled), is.

I've personally observed or participated in numerous Readings. Apart from Tarot/Angel Card Readings (for which there are certainly many excellent Readers such as Lorena, and some others perhaps less gifted in such), in terms of channeled Readings, I've only consistently recommended the Hilarion Reading by Jon C Fox, and will continue to do so, as a service to others.

Sorry, Kyo.  I didn't mean to flog.  I like to engage in conversation, as I feel that both discussants have a chance to evolve, and contribute at the same time. 

I assume that if you visited a charlatan, let us say you were in a city and saw a sign that said "Tarot."  Let us assume you went inside for a reading.  The owner there is a businessman/woman with no true gift.  The cards truly to him/her do not give a reading.  You sit before her.  She tells you that you will come in to good finances soon, though you have been having difficulties.  That romance is on your horizon, either through a current partner renewed or a new one to come.   

You leave the reading after paying $50.00 (for the sake of the example).  You feel some of what you heard may have been important guidance.  However, candidly, this "psychic," smokes a cigarette, and smiles and says "I tell them exactly what they want to hear."  "I have no real gift or communication, but I have to feed my family." 

What would one make of this?  The psychic or charlatan in her heart felt she was conning you and gave that same reading 20 times over the next two days.  You may or may not have felt there was guidance there for yourself.  It would be ridiculous to assume given this hypothetical scenario that if you thought there was guidance, then it was true.  Do you get my drift?  Guidance can come from real communication.  If you believe in everything based on your gut, there are times you may be misled.

This is why I flogged the horse.  Not to disparage, as I value your comments and loving direction always.  But to point out that in our current incarnation it is important to consider how we evaluate our gut feelings and communications we may think we receive. 

Best to you,

Matthew

Greetings,

I've been following this board since 1999 and use to post alot on the old board, so I'm pretty familiar with what goes on here. 

I sent Lorena money for an Angel reading. Sorry to say, it is lacking in depth and insight. I feel she is just reading what is on the Angel cards and then a copy and paste. 

Sorry Kyo, I'm very intuitive myself and it's just not there. Anyway, I do enjoy your post.

Peace,
Paradox

According to how I interpret Kyo's comments, we judge for ourselves, via our own inner "knowing."  There is no ultimate judgement, truth, right or wrong in this philosophy.  If one gets down to it, cosmoethos is the main goal - other than that, assisting others and evolving are the main things.  As Kyo said once "what have you learned, and who have you helped?" (if I recall). 

I engaed in my hypothetical of the admitted fraud psychic because I wanted to understand better.  I believe Kyo is saying the fraudulent psychic is not a fraud since the person took some inner meaning from the reading.  And who are we to point out that the same reading was given 20 times that day?  Maybe the person turned into the Tarot shop through more subtle guidance. 

I think I understand now, Kyo's point of view.  I agree with him on many issues, but not on this hypothetical.  But that is what makes life more interesting!

Matthew

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Hello Rob,
I have visited the website you suggest and had a reading online.
I found you are absolutely right.
One of my cards was Rochelle, which is one of the cards Kyo's friend, Don, got as well.
It is a "copy and paste" situation.
This is what I got
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http://www.consciousone.com/c1Cards/cardsSingleView.cfm?cardID=41
Pity, I was so looking forward to the reading.

Peace.

S.C.

I'm glad you found them wonderful, I didn't. There was absolutely nothing in the reading that applied to me in any way shape or form. That's that!

For Paradox and anyone else along these lines :

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Well then, as Byron Katie says, let's be Loving It, shall we? 

And of course, there's always the Hilarion Reading. That's a Reading that works in a totally different way from Card Readings. Maybe that'll work better for you, hopefully.



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Thank you, Dear Mairlyn. Yes Lorena's certainly a nice, sincere person. I know for a fact she handtypes out her Readings.

Yes, the recognition of the direct message from or connection with them, is unmistakably, for those who have or make a true connection with their loving presence and energies, whether via Card Readings or otherwise. We know.

The love of the faeries, angels, guides & helpers are always with you, Mairlyn, as is my love.


Kyo

I have a deck of Doreen Virtue's cards (the Healer deck). They are very energetic. I don't question their legitimacy because I can literally feel their energy AND I have used them enough to know they work.

My point was that we cannot tell the legitimacy of a reading from a mere quote of the drawn cards (hand typed or not). When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter if cards are used or not. Chicken bones or pebbles may be used if guidance is in fact assisting. And THAT is the key. I couldn't determine if that was what happened or not.

When we quote another author at length like that, it's necessary to credit him or her. No mention of Doreen Virtue was made in Kyo's first post. This may be an innocent oversight. It may also be a singular failure of integrity on someone's part (I don't know who).

Rob

Rob, can you lead me to a link for the Healer cards. I can't find them. I know there are Healing With Angels cards and Healing With The Fairies (which I have). But I can't find any Healer cards as such. Thanks.

Love, Mairlyn

Thanks Rob. I wish it were consistent. I don't think I ever said it was. My guidance will usually give me a nudge (like intuition) with certain things. There's all different ways to talk to guidance also and the cards are one way.

Love, Mairlyn

Thank you for this Kyo. I've never asked the cards for answers to anything. I get a 'nudge' to use one of the two decks and then another 'nudge as to which one to use. Then I hold the cards against my heart, go into meditation mode, and ask 'what do I need to know now' or 'what do I need to know at this particular time' (something like that). Then I shuffle the cards and then again feel nudged to choose one. I don't spread them out, just choose the one that feels right as I'm shuffling. It's always a delight to see what I have chosen and how it fits into my life at the time, or what I should be working on, etc.

BTW, I do have other tarot decks that I have bought but have never really been drawn to them. This thought just occured to me. I've heard that tarot decks should be given to a person.  Well, the two that I use (Archangel and Healing With the Fairies) were given to me by a friend I met on Linn's Forum about a year ago, Crying Raven. In fact, she used to post here too. She told me that she was nudged to get me the Fairy cards and then was nudged to get the Archangel cards even though she wasn't planning to.  I LOVE the way SPIRIT works.

With Love,
Mairlyn

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From your new input (opinion of how relevant the Reading was for you) together with Paradox's, I guess the Angel Readings... don't work as well with everyone. Pity. Ah well. Regardless, let's look forward to Lorena's new home for her two little girls.


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Yes, I do understand where you're coming from.


I do however, wish to add a last comment on your Angel Reading, specifically your last angel :

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This message is indeed for you. Do not limit the idea of 'a spiritual teacher' as necessarily a full time professional who conducts psychic development workshops, writes best-selling New Age books, or opens a life-between-life (LBL) regression hypotherapy clinic.

Everyone is simultaneously a 'spiritual student' and a 'spiritual teacher'. It is this role that is refered to in the fourth angel's message to you, in a gentle urging that you acknowledge, respect and love the gentle 'spiritual teacher' in yourself.

The true spiritual teacher in each person cannot be corrupted by ego (ego = focusing on 'I' as a separate entity from all others) and thus will not even feel uncomfortable of having such a title or playing such a role. Because he understands it is but a natural service to others, just as he himself receives such services from other spiritual teachers also. He (the spiritual teacher within, the light within) cannot be corrupted by ego, because ego means illusion of separation, but by the very nature of the light within, it stands for Love and Oneness, the very truth beyond the illusion of fear and ego/separation.

SunriseChaos, you're certainly a spiritual teacher. Are you not a spiritual teacher for yourself? Of course you are, and you've been a great teacher at that! Now are you willing to share your love (in this way) with others as well?

So if everyone's a spiritual teacher, then what's the point of the 4th angel's message again? Very simply, a gentle urging for you to recognize this aspect of your being, to respect, honor and to have gratitude for for this role, responsibility, and most importantly *opportunity*, to be of service to others in love, to assist in their evolution and their soul's purpose, whenever your guides & helpers bring you these opportunities.

It only takes a willingness to assist, to want to help (others; the world; everyone), a willingness to communicate and *share* your understanding, your thoughts and feelings, and most of all, your love. And then, the light within, the spiritual teacher, will come forth naturally as an expression of your love for others.



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SunriseChaos, thank you for your kind words, your friendly warm regards is always appreciated.

The Hilarion Reading is, very frankly, of a *completely* different type altogether from any Card Reading. Not merely the technical process (Card Reading involves intuitive guidance and angelic manipulation of the cards; the Hilarion Reading is a direct channeling of Hilarion himself, to speak to you on your questions), but the contents, the psychospiritual level of the advice, the depth, the detail, it's an entirely different class of Reading, that from honest observation, is quite simply unrivaled in the 'psychic Readings market' out there.

However, precisely because of it's special nature, and the way Hilarion goes about giving his advice, certain questions may not always be answered the way you might expect. That's to say, Hilarion will speak what (from his perspective) he understands will be of benefit to communicate to you, and not necessarily what you might be hoping to hear. But that's a *plus*, in our opinion.


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From my personal experience with the Hilarion Reading (I've facilitated as 'middle-man' to applying/submitting for the Reading, and as 'interpreter' to Hilarion's words, for over 2 dozen individuals over the last 10 years; and of course I've done many Hilarion Readings for myself), the answer quite simply and honestly,  is "YES".

However, you will have a role to play in making your money's worth, in the formulation of your questions. It is recommended (that in order to make your money's worth) that you iterate your questions carefully and clearly, focusing on seeking *advice* (as opposed to say, mere info for the sake of info, or a 'yes/no' type limited question) on your issues. Try to be precise in your focus, by giving sufficient background to your issues and stating your question clearly to the point (and not ambiguously). Finally, always add a question at the end of your Reading to allow Hilarion and your guides free reign to say what they want to, eg. "Is there anything else that Hilarion, as well as my guides & helpers, would like to say to me?".

You can view some of the lines (these are only suggested lines or themes of issues that can be asked on, in a Hilarion Reading) from my webpage here :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion


If you prefer, and if the questions you have in mind are not too personal or private in nature, I can have a look at them if you wish, and if anything, suggest (the final say is yours, naturally) some slight rephrasing or additions to your questions, based on my experience with the Hilarion Reading.

And/or, when the Reading is done and you receive it, if you wish, you can send it over the internet (it will be in the format of an mp3 file) over to me, if you would like to have my comments or 'interpretations' of some of Hilarion's messages.


Now you had asked about Hilarion Reading samples, because of the considerable length of such a transcript (it'll take weeks to type out one personal Reading), as well as the personal nature of the Readings, there are few (if any) personal Hilarion Readings that have been openly shared on the internet.

There are of course, non-personal Hilarion channelings, on the internet, such as on the official Jon C Fox's Hilarion webpage, as well as my own website, and also on some other webpages, for instance, if the owner did a non-personal Hilarion Reading (called a 'Research Reading') and wished to share it freely with others. For instance Heidi Hanson's HILARION READING ON LIVE FOOD DIETS (9/26/01).
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/HilarionDiet.html


S.C. the style of Hilarion's words in a personal Reading is much similar to any of his Quarterly Readings, I suggest you have a read through several of his Quarterly Readings first. But of course, in a personal Reading, he addresses your own questions.

The closest I can do to showing you a sample of a personal Hilarion Reading, would be an excerpt from a personal Reading done for the same young friend of mine (Don; the one in Lorena's Angel Reading), here :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_On_Relationship...

However, do not take this excerpt to be necessarily similar to the advice you will get from Hilarion, even on possibly the same topic. From the many Hilarion Readings I've done, I've seen Hilarion actually take on quite different tones and direction of advice, for very similar questions. This is because each individual, his/her karma and spiritual purpose, is unique. And all of these are taken into account when Hilarion advises you on your issues.


Think over your 5-6 questions carefully, over the next few days or weeks. (The 7th or final question should be the free reign question mentioned earlier). Your choice of questions may evolve slightly over the weeks, as your guides & helpers (being aware that you're thinking of doing a Hilarion Reading, they do get rather excited because here's their chance to communicate their messages to you, via Hilarion) help you to focus on the issues they understand would be of greatest benefit to ask, in the Hilarion Reading.


Kyo

Once again, Alysia's words of wisdom ring true.

Rob