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Joshua
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Thank you Bruce
Apr 25th, 2006 at 8:58am
 
Hello everybody,

I’m not sure if I’m posting in the correct section, my apologies in advance if this is so. I have only just signed up. Smiley

I fortunate enough to meet Bruce when he gave a talk at the Nexus conference in Australia some six or seven years ago. I remember talking with him outside the building during a break while he had a cigarette. Although we spoke about experiences and numerous other things, one thing he said stuck in my mind over all the years since, it was on the subject of work.

".. really, what is work? But just a means to live here while we learn and become aware to explore ourselves and the afterlife?"

I'm not sure how many of you can relate to this but it has taken me all these years to re-align my reasons for working with this understanding. It seems some understandings take quite some time to integrate into my total self, as understanding something feels quite different to living it.

With much Love, thank you Bruce.

late at night 5 days ago I was lazing in front of my open fire when it started raining outside. Listening to the rain an analogy came to mind. For those interested I'll share it with you, please let me know what you think.

Life is wild, raw and full of energy, like a drop of water thrown around in a hurricane rising from the South Atlantic Ocean.
One drop may feel almost helpless having been born only moments before in a flash of light and wild fury.
One drop may feel almost overwhelmed amongst the chaos and will undoubtedly be shattered amidst the maelstrom.
One drop may feel ripped and torn by harsh winds and annihilated by all the other countless drops.
One drop could lose its identity for certain amongst a chaos that would seem never ending. Perhaps only if a drop of water amidst a hurricane was aware of such things.

But if that drop was aware, if it knew, it may also begin to understand.
One drop may begin to realize that every time it was violently broken apart, it would merge with other drops to become new, ever changing with each twist and turn, growing.
One drop may begin to feel an echo as it changed, formed and reformed of where it once came.
One drop may begin to realize that it was not just a single drop, but one in the same as every other.
One drop may even begin realize as it saw the rising ocean that it was part of something so much bigger.
One drop may even realize right at the moment of being reaccepted by the ocean unconditionally that it was not just a single drop of water, but a wild raging hurricane, full of life and energy.

Much Love to all,

Joshua.
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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 9:05am
 
Wonderful Joshua,it's so very true...we are all drops,big ones,small ones,very wet ones,drizzly ones  and every so often the lucky ones get to be a snowflake!.............but essentially,we are all the same.

Love

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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 10:12am
 
Dear Joshua,

I very much like your analogy. While as a whole there is so much power, as a drop, one of many. Also, important to our understanding, is that no two drops are in the same place at the same time. Makes perfect sense, in that we all have unique experiences, different perspectives, different beliefs and "truths". That is as important as the whole picture.

Love, Carolyn
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Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 4:18pm
 
I liked your analogy as well.

It's kind of like putting your finger into a glass of water and pulling it out. -- (Can you really tell that the little drop that came out with your finger is missing from the glass?)

PUL,
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Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 8:57pm
 
Hi Joshua,

What I highlight in your analogy is that when awareness comes into play, all becomes different. It is the awareness owned by a part of the greater and it's relationships to it, and even the transcendence of the borders between the inside and outside, the change of the parts, which again is changing awareness.

I admit, in the first part you started seeing non-aware material parts. Therefore, without own awareness, they exclusively would exist as parts in your view, in the interaction of your observance and what you see, the observed. As pure elemental beings, raindrops, they are neither parts nor a whole. So, your awareness was needed even to give a picture of unawareness.

While reading your analogy, I thought, as a Doors listener, of "Riders On The Storm". And, maybe this is a picture you would like? To be not the pure storm, nor pure raindrops in the storm, but riders. We must follow the storm's force, but we can be aware of it, comment it, think about it, enjoy it, hate it.

Another thought came up when I read your citation of Bruce. I could point it out differently: "Have we just come down to only gaze up?" Maybe. One's for certain, it's a different perspective.

Hmm, just my bunch of associations!
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Reply #5 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 11:35pm
 
I like your reconfiguration of Bruce's citation spooky2:

"Have we just come down to only gaze up?"

That's exactly what it feels like sometimes! Cheesy

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Reply #6 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 11:47am
 
Thanks to everyone who replied to my post!

Wow, I think its fascinating how people relate to things differently. Spooky, yes for me that’s how I see it too, awareness for me is the key to my own understanding. I love your analogy of "Riders On The Storm", quite fitting for me!

Starstream, yes! I feel too that we are all essentially the same, sure like raindrops we have our differences on a molecular level, but they're still raindrops we don’t see them as any different.

We all have the title of "Human".

But there are differences! Carolyn, what you say feels true for me. No two drops are in the same place at the same time. We do all have unique experiences, different perspectives, different beliefs and "Truths". We only have to think about the dog killer to see this is so.

So how can a person feel at "oneness"? That’s a great question ParanoidAndriod! While I can't answer for anyone else, I can answer for myself.

I feel at "one" because I understand within myself that everything, absolutely everything from the dog killer to the Saint, is God. For me feeling at "one" is exactly that. I know that I can't make anyone feel at one with me, I am the only person I have full control over.

There are two quotes that come to mind frequently when I think about that feeling of "oneness".

Be the difference you want to see in the world.
- Gandhi

Since everything in life is but an experience,
perfect in being what it is; having nothing to do with good or bad,
acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter.
- Long Chen Pa

My Love to all Smiley

Joshua
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Reply #7 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 4:19pm
 
Dear PA. obviously you are in a deep search and I relate. you must have seen this happen with the dog. theres a reason you encountered the atrocity. what can you do? its going to change your whole life. watch. it will. for now it has aroused you. something must be done..but what? somehow you will figure it out. it may not be that perpetrator that you influence, but another, who reminds u of this act of cruelty. you are trying to understand oneness and forgiveness; this takes a whole lifetime for most of us so do not get discouraged but use your anger to your advantage. and thank you for bringing it to our attention so that we do not relax into naivety and bury our heads in the sand.
be that dogs protector, for in being that protector, you protect all animals.

in speaking of animals, we have the human animal to consider. use this analogy: you are in the wild kingdom. you come upon two beasts fighting to kill each other. there is blood and gore but there is nothing you can do but watch. after the fight, do you walk up to the winner and say "I forgive you?"
do you speak in words to the beast when it does not understand your language? do you say "I am one with you?" no, you would be a beast whisperer if you commune with animals. you would talk on their level. only spirit provides the language for you.

in the same way if you would influence this person who does offensive deeds, you would find his language. but you would not carry in your heart and mind the rest of your life his error. so I said use your anger. complain, write it down, get in his face, get involved in prevention of animal cruelty, carry a sign, what can u do? it does not matter which action to take so long as you do not remain to feel your helplessness forever and ever. one person does make a difference here, but only if they decide I cannot take this laying down and neither can I let something as lovely as a dog remain undefended.
then when you have done all that you could see to do, then you can feel the oneness, the forgiveness.
I have seen something in you and Iknow u r on a growth streak. I'm right there with you. I know it will stop hurting someday. but for now, this is our life.

hugging you, god bless the beasts and the children and like J said, "they know not what they do."
alysia
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Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 4:31pm
 
Joshua, welcome! so glad u told us something that sticks in your mind and effects you years later, growing and becoming like a road sign to follow.

just sharing one of the things Bruce said in his book which effected me much the same way as u explain.

it was to see "something not there." in terms of goopy thought systems which we need not suffer. I believe it has to do with the ability to focus our attention on producing reality, rather than swimming in reality and being tossed there.
a lot of what I'm thinking is already in your post about the drops. having focus, like attention setting, I mean intention setting, is a project of interesting proportion! welcome again. hope you stay! hugs, alysia
and I don't think we thank Bruce enough here, but maybe I'm too emotional. I think his books will be noticed more and more as time goes on.
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Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2006 at 2:57am
 
well, in times like what you are describing, I use the serenity prayer..whether u believe good will prevail or not, it can put you into a place to recieve answers...

god grant me the power (serenity?) to change the things I can and to know the difference between the things I cannot change..(correction is being asked for)

something like that. PA, you act like we are all a bunch of idiots or something...truth be, most of us have been around the block here many many times...

hang in there...don't just yell, do something! talk is way cheap.

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Reply #10 - Apr 27th, 2006 at 3:08pm
 
I got in a car with a young driver last night in my dreams and woke thinking it was you PA. I tried to talk to you but u were angry and would not answer me. I tried to kid you out of your mood, but it didn't work so I am going to let u be dear one.

just remember, we come here to figure it out the best we can. it takes time, thats what a life is for, time. in your own way u will do it all by yourself. wishing you everything to come your way.
love, alysia
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Reply #11 - Apr 27th, 2006 at 9:52pm
 
Hi PA,
I used to think about this problem. "How would that be, to be one with THAT guy? No, I don't want to. Thanks. Point. Impossible." On some occasions, I variated it, and imagined, a person which I dislike or even hated, would be a fellow disc member. And then, what if I would find out I was in a previous life one of the Nazi-chiefs? In this, there are two things: 1. I know I am not that person and don't want to be, 2. It is not in my power to avoid that other person because the laws of necessity (like nature's laws) command me to be one with that person, as a fact.
So, what did I make with this problem? It is indeed, as you said, something for another realm, so to speak. But I think this other realm encompasses the physical realm. In the encompassing realm, everything is in its right place. There is no need to react the way we must in the physical. Love simply shines, cruelty simply not. One is meaningful, connective, much saying, the other is dumb, negating, gloomy. People don't remain people when the view is no longer limited to the physical perspective. They become memories. Think of a memory without getting emotionally involved. That is what things and dogs and persons turn to. Indifference can be a sin in the physical. From another viewpoint, indifference is reality (speaking of morality and emotions). Eastern teachings say, our world is an illusion, but the illusions are reality. To live oneness here in the physical, it can be necessary to act, but also to avoid. Here we have closets where people can be thought to be locked in and they probably won't feel one (no, I don't want to be in the situation you told!). Over there, in the wider realm, all is connected but there are no closets. There is closeness without narrowness. Everything in its right place.

My belief system.
Spooky
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