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Reply #15 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 1:50pm
 
Dear Augoeideian,

Yes, there is separation. But it is in Form, not in Essence. Whenever you do not (ie. choose not to) connect with All the Cosmos in Love, there is (by choice) a sense of separation by your consciousness. That is not to say there really is (ie. in essence) separation, but to be precise, it is a really but a choice by the consciousness to imagine, "how it would feel if there was separation?".

So yes, in your heart whenever you feel separated from the Source / All the Cosmos, then indeed, there is separation in your consciousness, between yourself and the Source / All the Cosmos. And what else to bridge this illusion of separation but Love, the very realization (not merely intellectual, but one that reverberates across *all* levels) that All are One.

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Kyo.

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Have a vist to my "Meditations on the Heart of God".


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Now why did i post this besides the first paragraph of merging back.  I suppose Kyo it is maybe
my romantic nature and although i am open to all teachings, i resonant to these teachings.
But also my Spirit is gentle, like all of ours, and it does not lean towards 'isms' and such terminology.
This in my heart makes my Spirit seem more concrete and seperated from the Source.
 
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Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 1:54pm
 
Thanks Kyo.

So enlightenment as such, may be seen to be moving one's consciousness in line with cosmoethics.  But different entities may disagree and have their own perspective not on what is cosmoethical, but on what action or path leads to the most cosmoethical outcome.   Hmmm....

I don't mean to make this into an intellectual discussion, as I do believe in love and a loving universe.  However, this still leaves me with the idea that opinion, having an opinion will usually set up a mandatory duality.  For to have an opinion about something or some action is to have analyzed the options and decided one path is better than another.  As such, exercising free will and using opinion is bound to spawn duality. 

So, I ask again, do we reach a point in our spiritual evolution where we transcend opinion.  Where free will and opinion are lost in essence and the simple act of being?  If not, if opinions persist indefinitely in our evolution, I would say that duality in some form must persist indefinitely.


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Reply #17 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 2:25pm
 
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So, I ask again, do we reach a point in our spiritual evolution where we transcend opinion.  Where free will and opinion are lost in essence and the simple act of being?  If not, if opinions persist indefinitely in our evolution, I would say that duality in some form must persist indefinitely.



First off, duality certainly persists indefinitely, at the manifested planes of existence. There's nothing 'bad' about this. Duality serves an important purpose and is, one could say, 'intended engineering'.

But duality does not exist in the planes of the Buddhic and above. But herein lies the common misconception, watch for it.

We are all multi-dimensional beings, existing on both the (denser) manifested planes as well as the (higher) unmanifested planes for which there is no duality.

This is quite totally separate from the idea of "evolving beyond duality", which you seem to imply. That is to say, a linear evolution reaching a stage of being where there is no duality whatsoever in your being. This would be true, if you chose (and this itself can be a complex matter) to operate in the higher planes of existence only, without directly contacting or interacting with the dense physical planes of manifestation. And not, as some misunderstand, due to one's 'evolutionary status'. In other words, it is an issue of modality, not simply evolution.

Having said that, it is of course, also quite evident to all that, the more evolved you are, the more adept you would be at working productively with Duality, achieving a mastery of balance of duality (eg. a harmonious balance of male and female within the evolved soul), and an inner recognition of the true interconnective relationship of duality and its polar opposites, always with Oneness as its true nature.


Once again, Matthew :

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So, I ask again, do we reach a point in our spiritual evolution where we transcend opinion.  Where free will and opinion are lost in essence and the simple act of being?  If not, if opinions persist indefinitely in our evolution, I would say that duality in some form must persist indefinitely.


To be precise, there is certainly a point in one's spiritual evolution wherein the being is able to transcend opinion/ideas and experience only the purest act of being. Beings such as the Buddha, Sanada Jesus Christ, Hilarion, and all the Serenissimus are able to do this.

But *simultaneously*, at such levels of mastery, you/they/the being, can *still* operate multidimensionally, including at levels where they can share their opinions or perspectives in meaningful, assistantial, CosmoEthical interaction with others.

That is to say, Matthew, do not limit yourself to a conceptualization entailing a necessary exclusivity between existing at a pure beingness level, and that of having an opinion. Do not limit yourself to thinking that having an opinion is necessarily by definition 'contaminated' by duality, it is actually nicely *supported* by duality. Duality can be a 'good' thing, you know.

Analogously, Karma isn't out to screw you. It's here to serve you, to help you. Yes, this can be tricky to fully understand, especially when a large majority of humanity are trapped in lifetimes of suffering, and each lifetime of suffering perpetuates further lifetimes of suffeirng. But that isn't Karma's fault. It's your own. Karma is here to teach you about Yourself, about Reality, about Love.

Finally, Matthew, in an earlier post you said :
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However, I wonder if any enlightened soul has reached the level of clarity so that their opinions won't spawn duality.  Opinion by its very nature does spawn duality very well.


Not quite. Opinion on it's own doesn't spawn duality, nor is it contaminated by duality. Effectively, duality exists in the mind of those who hear that opinion and interpret it a certain way, or relate to it a certain way; rather than in the opinion, or even speaker of that opinion itself.

Yes, there are countless enlightened souls that have mastered duality, and still have opinions! No matter how high a being's evolutionary level is, whatever he/she says, can always be construed into tones of duality in the minds of the listener, regardless of the opinion itself.

Moreover, remember that in the manifested planes of existence, such as the dense physical one, for any being of any evolutionary level to interact on such a level, on the physical plane, entails by its very nature, participating within Duality.

Duality, like Karma, is 'good', wholesome stuff. Just as existing as pure beingness beyond Duality and beyond Karma, is also 'good', wholesome stuff.

Allow yourself to enjoy all of it together! Smiley
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Reply #18 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 2:37pm
 
Hi Kyo, DocM

If i was not seperated i would not be here. I will be closer too being One in the spiritual realms than in the Earth.  I cannot be closer too being One in the Earth with its Moon controlling the water in me, with the numerous energies around me, with the solidification of nature.  I came to Earth for this reason; to experience life with fellow people in the Earth realm. My blood-memory sustains me here.

When i go; i take what i have learnt and experienced here to be closer too One.

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Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 3:00pm
 
Good point Augo.

Kyo, I don't think our ideas are that far apart.  I see us living in a world of duality, called Maya or illusion by some in the far East, when we are all part of a whole, the one.  My point was that semantics may play a role here.  I do think that opinion spawns duality as, its net outcome is often choice and action, which usually means rejecting an alternative choice.  Or setting up a different label for good and evil.

Having said that, I think it is perfectly reasonable to acknowledge our individual roles (much as Arjuna had to do in the Bhagavad Gita), and the dualism inherent in our physical world, and still keep the unity of all things in our mind, reminding ourselves that the duality is there but in a sense not there simultaneously.  This enlightened thought should prevent people from holding on to the notion of pure evil in a dualistic manner, banishing evil spirits to hell, etc. for in a sense it is a cosmic joke if in the end the hero and villain are one and the same (Luke, I am your father!)


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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 4:05pm
 
hi guys..when I first met Kyo, I have to tell u something...I thought Kyo was a woman. it was a strong impression and I had difficulty when i went to his website and discovered she is a he! ha ha! my point is I began to see Kyo as perfect balanced male/female traits, not only that but often Kyo would refer to himself as "we." then I realized Kyo is with many.
Kyo is an ascended being working among us. this my opinion of course, but oh Lordy Lordy, hee, one values one's own opinion, or you could be in deep trouble if you don't accept your own intuition as correct and instead accept the opposite.

no, I'm not launching into flattery for Kyo. not at all, because, and I have guides too, and often think from "we" not from "I."
but what's correct and true today is in a state of change and flux, so let us flow with it and we seem to be doing that rather well. I love this place!
we are in the shift in consciousness right now, so thats what I mean about the only constant is change.
we need to stop thinking that ascension, that place of perfect balance within, that state of mind of observing, but not reactionary emotionally, is attainable right now, not in some distant enlightenment process, but right now, that we are capable and have all the answers within and/or can ask for what we want.
the guides put me through a training period awhile back and it certainly put my head and heart in the right place. they told me it was a benevolent universe. oh wow. you're kidding I said, falling out of my chair. no, they said, you just couldnt see it that way. then they said when you ask for clarification, you must include "other." not just that u will get things to look and be as you prefer. so then I started including "other" in my wishes for certain resolvement to problems and found out the guides were right all the time, it really was a benevolent universe..like win-wins started happening.
thats like praying for the highest good. only the highest good is always happening. except that we can't see it that way yet. then the Christians will pray "not my will, but thine." DP jumps around now (my guide from past life) to say we are not Christians, but it's true, theres a part of us always connected to the highest good for all, and the illusion is "not."

heres a simple formula for duality and unpleasant surprises that come along: (must be DP again)

where would u have my feet go, being which is me, being which is all knowing, and what would u have my lips to say? what thought shall I surrender to find your grace once more? and how may I expand to be beyond this illusion I am separate from my good? it should only take a day or so with that kind of prayer and the answer comes.
the shift is building. and if I can inspire, that is all I could wish for; hold on to your seat belts, this is a marvelous time to be on the Earth!!!

hugs, alysia
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Reply #21 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 12:25am
 
I love the positive energy output you give off laffingrain... It's contagious.  Smiley

My thoughts on why, "If God's goal was to merge back with Him/Her/ItSelf, why would He/She/It want to split Him/Her/ItSelf into Creation in the first place?"

It seems as though the super consciousness that we refer to as "God" split himself/herself/itself as a way to creatively explore himself/herself/itself, and by splitting "itself" apart in order to explore all of the "unknowns" that can be created/explored by itself, it is thereby enhancing the creative possibilities of itself... After this illusory "split" has taken place, and the "selves" begin exploring/experiencing/creating anew from the experiences of the now "known" unknowns, it is thereby enhancing the consciousness as a whole... By returning back to "itself", (from which it actually never left), it is thereby expanding itself even further. It seems, from my perspective, that the ultimate goal gained from experiencing all of these "unknowns" is to create the ultimate reality, for creation itself, in which creation itself can express and enjoy itself, ad infinitum.

Also, with regards to duality... Could creation begin creating/experiencing itself without which to compare itself to? However, at some stage of evolution with regards to itself, there must be a neutrality based perspective which comprehends the actual neutrality of duality in the broader scheme of things. -- Just my pov.

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Reply #22 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 12:38am
 
Again, thank you for your gentle sharing of light and wisdom from yourself and your guides, and much love to you always, Alysia dear friend. Here's a darling pic for you, that I felt you would also like -

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Also, Cosmic_Ambitions' post (just above mine) has very nicely and succinctly reiterated my perspective on this. That pretty much sums it up. The business and intention for Creation itself is Simple, yet wonderfully limitless in potential, and fantastically exquisite in it's (ie. God's, All the Cosmos, Our) never ending Journey.

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Reply #23 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 1:54am
 
cool pic Kyo! and thanx for saying CA, there is something in me contagious!
I think the more good vibes that come around go around. i spent my whole life looking for the good and now it's getting easier. all day I thought Kyo was going to deny being an ascended master. lol. he/she did'nt so maybe I didn't blow his cover!

these posts remind me of bits and pieces of wisdom we build our lives with. when I first came here I was looking for a home and I read Bruce's story of how it all began. seems god sent out some probes. a cloud of such. a wave called Curiosity. this was his vision I quickly adopted as my own without question, as it explains the curious nature of human consciousness as well as why curiosity killed the cat with 9 lives. thought I'd throw that in for no reason!
we are curious. if we stop being curious then I don't know what after that. its like we are trying here to see the edges of the universe. thats not possible as the definition of what stretches forever has no boundary.

thinking about these deep thoughts, I was trying to get inside my soninlaws head, why do you always climb mountains I asked? oh, because I can, he says.
maybe thats why we are here..because we can.

then theres us wanting a surprise. If we remembered all our lives we would probably say, oh please, just let me forget merciful god....so we forget so to make it new again, with a surprise.
then theres the eye viewing the eye. how is that possible, yet it happened. anytime you see your own self living another life it is the eye viewing itself, or god looking at himself.
basically we love finding ourself in others as we are all one.  the trick is living in two worlds at the same time. you have to be in balance to be astride two worlds but it is coming together for us I feel. I have a theory balance means having all 7 chakras in the body spinning at the same rate and that this would be the precipice of what ascension means. so don't eat a cow. it might stay in the intestines and ground you too much. just kidding.
and now heres a lovely astral surfer which is what you all look like to me in my dreams....btw, if anyone wants to see the story of Curiosity its up at the top, under free articles I believe.
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Reply #24 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 2:39am
 
Morning all  Smiley

i celebrate this conversation; DocM, Alysia, CA
wholesome comments and ... Kyo, i turned into myself and now i turn out to listen with fresh ears.

Respect and Love.
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Reply #25 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 3:10pm
 
Hey LaughingRain,

I've read those free articles by Bruce before, but it was a long time ago... Thanks for refreshing my memory on them, as I understand/interpret them differently as time passes and more insight is gained. It's evolution at its best. LOL

I also agree with, and enjoy your idea of the 7 chakras spinning at the same rate eluding to the notion of evolutionary "ascension"... Makes sense to me.

("Curiosity killed the cat with 9 lives.") -- Very appropriate!  Wink

As you recommend, I will try to stay away from eating cows so as to not be grounded! Maybe I will stick to a diet high in "bird". That way, I can fly away!  Grin

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P.S. Kyo, I thoroughly enjoyed that picture that you posted of the "mini-fellas"... Can you imagine if everyone had a picture of that in their wallet. -- (There would be no more wars!)
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Reply #26 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 3:33pm
 
thank you for joining the forum Cosmic undertakings! just wanted to say that.

yes, well Kyo put the right pic up. and now I want to run out and purchase all those little cuties and have a farm again. oh well. I have a chihuahua and something that looks like a fox whose rear end...needs wiping.

lol. sorry. kick me off the board..I'll go peacefully.
but it's true...so far as I can see on this Earth, there is absolutely no reason to kill another person in a war or otherwise. not any logic can convince me we can't all live together without a lot of hoopla and flying bullets. oh well. I should go write that down I guess. hugs, alysia
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Reply #27 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 5:25pm
 
I forgot to mention something in my last post,

I "LOVE" your quote Alysia:

"yay tho I trip thru the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear not as I was trained there." -- So paradoxical, yet SO true! Wink

I love reiterations/alterations of quotes like that.

Cleansing of encrypted muddiness is key towards the ultimate goal of achieving our spiritual evolvement/enlightenment." < < < (Oxymoron?). LOL

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Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2006 at 7:50pm
 
CA hi there. yea, these little quotes serve as reminders sometimes...this one is new, I have a whole stack. this one reminds me of turning around and facing the monster on my back with attitude...lol...ok, I seemed to say to it...whats your best shot?
I crack my self up. love ya, alysia
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