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Apr 23rd, 2006 at 8:27pm
 
From the Near-Death forum here :

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I don't know if more faith is the answer, for the stronger the light the more attractive it is to darkness. This has always perplexed me. For sometimes those that shine the brightest are enveloped the greatest by some mighty dark clouds. I have searched for this answer many places and through many sources to no avail. Some who are witnessed to such an onslaught cave and some don't. I once thought it was cracks in the armor if you will, but now I am not so sure. This will be a topic of mine to explore in the near future. -paragon=


For a more complete answer, you can use this topic as a submitted question in a personal Hilarion Reading, and get to enjoy a response directly from an enlightened ascended master himself.

But in a nutshell, this is what I have to say :

If one sees 'darkness' as an 'enemy', and as the direct opposite of the Light, then there can be no solution to this riddle, and reality appears to be incredibly sad, sick and twisted. But is this actually real? Or is it only a incredibly sad, sick and wisted *way of seeing*?

But if one is able to see that by their very nature, Love and hence Light, encompasses all beings, even the ones whom in their lack of clarity and lack of self-love hence appear to be of 'darkness', then one realizes there is no duality, no opposition, no war to be fought, and no fear to be real.

I'd suggest caution when exploring this topic, for it is all to easy to be caught up into the same twisted misconceptions (which is really all that 'darkness' is) that those beings whom you think you're studying, are suffering from.

Instead, I'd recommend that you (to all whom may consider my suggestions) instead be in the well-advised and wholesome company of those who are highly evolved and can see clearly beyond the illusion of duality, for instance,  Hilarion the Chohan (Master) of the Emerald Ray, those in the  International Academy of Consciousness (IAC), and others of similarly wholesome intentions and vibrations.

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Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 2:24am
 
Thanks Kyo

I will be studying your message deeper.

hope you are well
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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 2:59am
 
Thanks, Augoeideian. I hope you're well too, and enjoyed meeting (even if only online) Alllava?

Just one point to add to Paramecium's statement, the stronger the Light the more attractive it is to *all beings*, which naturally crave to understand, emulate and evolve towards the higher vibrations represented by such Light. (even if different beings in their different understanding and clarity, or lack of such, approach the Light differently).

For instance, that of Sananda Jesus Christ, and that of all higher vibratory beings that humanity (and all other kingdoms, terrestrial or extraterrestrial) look up towards.

But these higher beings have complete mastery over themselves, and thus (within themselves) of the Universal Laws, and have the wisdom and capacity to interact with all others in only the most beneficial and cosmoethical ways, including therefore being invulnerable to any lacking-in-clarity intentions, thosenes, energies or beings.

It is only those still evolving within physical incarnation, that may, in their own still-developing clarity, may yet struggle with lack-of-clarity, within themselves and (projected upon) their interactions with others (intraphysical and extraphysical, human or otherwise), of various levels and natures.

It is thus prudent, wise and efficiently productive, in consciential, evolutionary and assistential terms, for all intraphysical beings to have the willingness to be lucid and conscious of their (potential for) in-good-company relationships with guides & helpers of all levels, and working collegially with these higher vibratory beings at all levels and in all ways, in a common cause of service towards the greatest CosmoEthics.

This is where education (of multi-dimensional reality, universal laws and conscientiology) and personal effort towards self clarity (thosenic clarity, karmic clarity and relationship clarity) is so important.

Byron Katie, the International Academy of Consciousness, Hilarion, etc etc. These are certainly avenues and channels of tremendous assistential value and benefit, but the choice *must* always come from within, the choice towards clarity, evolution and assistentiality.

Once this choice is clear within one's heart, the illusions of darkness, fear and duality dissapears in the Light of Clarity, and in the Love of Oneness (aka CosmoEthics).
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 5:03pm
 
and I over here am attracted to your light Kyo! always have been for years. one of these days I shall saunter over to this academy and surely get my cup filled to capacity.

u brought up a question to ponder though, not so much a question as makes me think of duality, polarities, light and darkness concepts. I am I think more of an entertainer than a philosopher so I will unravel my story here. hee. I imagine a circle of folks and we're all having a good time!

I read something somewhere, don't know where, but it stuck in me head. it said "if your friend asks of you to do a foolish thing (which is not presupposing harmfulness) go ahead and do it." like being nonresistant to show lovingness. perhaps thats what that means.

I think I have a better story to unravel, although I've told it before, it made a big impression on my behavior in life. it happened years ago in obe state.

something dark was chasing me. it was a monster. I did not want to look at it, I was sure it had teeth.
every night I would run, the monster hot on my trail and even would it catch up to me and breath hot on my neck and made me run faster. finally one night some wisdom assailed me from where I don't know.
every night you do this running thing. why is it that the monster does not catch you? said this wisdom from the blue...this is called meditating while obe...I stopped in my tracks, knowing monster was not far behind me..I thought, well, I must decide something now. surely I will die this moment to hesitate like this; but do I want to be running each night, forever and ever? no. I think I will stop running. I want to see why this monster wants me, so I stayed where I was, in the dark of space, ready to die rather than run anymore. and theres nothing wrong with the instinct to run, just that I was tired of the game, which out there is very real. as I waited his arrival I saw him coming 'round the corner and looking for me, as ugley as I'd imagined, teeth and hairy, whatever! then he spied me and turned into a cartoon face. he said HUH? I'm supposed to chase u and why do u not run? I'm tired of this game I said back to it. devour me if u must. instead of eating me up, whatever, it dissolved in front of me, leaving me with the question that it must have been my own creation, and it was like a software program in the sky, programmed to chase me. I was elated of course that I had ended the game, but a little confused at the power I had to create monsters to face off with. the gist is fear was the fuel it lived on. it looked at me, did I see sadness? for without the fuel it was dying as it dissolved.our relationshp was over it seemed to say sadly. well, I said, you are not so good looking anyway, I must make something more easy to look at! lol.

is light attracted to darkness or vice versa? I don't know, but when light comes in a room, darkness disappates, so I do not think darkness seeks the light, maybe the light just finds the darkness because it's more powerful to shine. we have night for contrast but the mind can be as a beakon in the night and the batteries in your flashlight can be love and a sense of adventure perhaps. thanx for being with us Kyo.
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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 7:50pm
 
In the last days I had to think about light and darkness. Sometimes I suspect there are entities who are playing with or even draining me, mostly before falling asleep (feelings of being touched, itched and other things). So, my method to encounter this anxiousness is to imagine a light shining within and through me. I wondered about the effect it could have. It maybe would attract dark entities, attract to me!? But then I had the idea, this light is shining through me, it is greater than this little physical me and every entity which would step into it, won't do me any harm, but would go into the great light, and is welcomed to a new home. This imagination diminishes fear, though I still feel itched sometimes, but it isn't very bad.

And yes, Alysia, it's always a possibility to think about if a being which bothers one is a self-creation.

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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 11:08pm
 
Dear Alysia, my appreciation & thanks for your welcoming, gentle loving friendship, and most of all, thank you for being you!  Kiss

I've always enjoyed your 'spiritual tales of the laughing rain', whether you're a philosophical entertainer or an entertaining philosopher, you're certainly a good one at that!

Out of curiosity Alysia, that photo of yours. The background appears to be the sea, a ship. Any story for that one? Alysia the swashbuckler? or Alysia the ninja?  ...

Oh, by the way, speaking of forum smiley icons, I've an entire set of lovable forum smiley on my website available for download (whoever created them has a remarkable talent for *cute*!).

I don't have them available for use individually from my website though, as I seldom use simley icons much myself. If anyone (reading this) likes them, you can upload them to your own webspace, and use them from there.

Click to visit my Freeware Downloads webpage (to download the smiley set) :
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By the way Spooky, do you happen to have a personal website? You mentioned you archive threads of interest from the forum, was wondering if you had a website for sharing this.
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Reply #6 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 11:35pm
 
In reply to Paramecium here on the Near Death forum, on the same thread :
http://neardeath.ipbhost.com/viewtopic.php?p=41033#41033

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Paramecium and all,

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I know you believe in energy and in ways I certainly do too. I do however disagree that they play such a role as to be able to channel them for your own purposes on a consistent basis. They are not their for us to be used as a back up ram application, they are there for happenstance and consult, but not to lead and very rarely will they guide.


For each individual person, the precise nature of the relationship between the intraphysicals and extraphysicals will depend on your intentions and willingness. Whether the relationship is a helpful one (ie. collegial relationship with guides & helpers) or a damaging one (ie. karmic interprison with extraphysical intruders) depends on you.

The extraphysical guides & helpers are not here to serve us (the intraphysicals), at least not in the way that you might think you want. Because remember that being intraphysically incarnate, it is natural you do not see as clearly (or have access to as anywhere as much data) as the extraphysical guides & helpers on what's best for all beings, ie. CosmoEthics.

Neither are we (the intraphysicals) here merely to serve them (the extraphysical guides & helpers). For this is our physical incarnation, every moment is valuable, and there is tremendous self-responsibility in this. You have to be responsible for your own choices, karma and evolution. Your Evolutionary Orientor, guides & helpers can only make suggestions and be here for you as support in friendship.

So if we're not here just for them, nor them here just for us, then what are we both here for?

We're both here to serve a far greater purpose, one that is common to both us and them - COSMOETHICS, which is action out of Love for all Beings in the Cosmos.

(Of course, the twin objectives of existence, including any incarnation, is that of Evolution and Assistentiality; both of which are exist as expressions of CosmoEthics or Love).

Perhaps some of you are unaware of the work of the International Academy of Consciousness (IAC). They have a very intimate collegial working relationship with the guides & helpers. Clairvoyant and telepathic, by virtue of training, these people participate in countless multidimensional (both intraphysical and extraphysical) projects of many varying levels across many fields, affecting the entire planet, in ways that the average intraphysical human being cannot begin to imagine.

PENTA, as conceptualized by the IAC, involves a lifetime committment towards working very closely and powerfully with the guides & helpers. Quite opposite to your (Paramecium's) description of using their energy for your own (terribly myopic, since being intraphysical and having your mind limited by a biological brain, you know not truly what you do), in PENTA, you offer the use of your intraphysical energies to the highest guides & helpers, to use as their greater wisdom sees fit, in the service of the Greatest CosmoEthics.

I would recommend those interested in learning more, to visit their website, as well as read what Hilarion has to say about PENTA.

Hilarion on PENTA (CosmoEthics and PENTA)
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/winsol00.html#PENTA1

Hilarion on PENTA (Practice of PENTA)
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/win02.html#PENTA2

You can apply for membership with the International Academy of Consciousness, and receive their Journal of Conscientiology, 4 times a year :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/IAC/index.htm
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Reply #7 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 11:35pm
 
heee. Kyo, that is Puget Sound in Washington, like an inlet around Kingston WA.
I think i was a pirate once though as I seem to understand pirates very well. whatever!
I am only like a ninja when a monster is making me tired and I feel like telling it off! those are some of the cutest facial expressions on your icons I have ever seen.

Spooky, I remember a story very well from Monroe.
he was out and about, going somewhere in the ethers when of a sudden he looked down and clinging to his leg was a small curl. curl is a nonphysical being.
confused, he questioned it. why are u attached to me said Monroe? (sorry if I don't relay this right)
the little curl said is it ok if I hitch a ride with you?
Monroe said ok, and as they traveled on, soon the curl winked out into a bst area it was attracted to.

I thought and pondered on this a great deal. finally I concluded that the curl was attracted to Bob's energy field. my conception of energy is that we are all "lights." some bigger than other lights. when a brighter light comes by, a lesser light can get a boost, or a ride from that one. what warmed my heart in this story is that this was not a neg (negative spirit) it was simply a little thing which Bob was able to assist to it's BST. it was not a neg, because it had the presence of mind to ask permission as soon as Bob noticed it there.
I thought about Bob then. why didn't he just blow the little bugger off when he noticed it there? as I wondered I realized because Bob is not unkind. he must have had compassion then and enough light in his field to assist the little guy.
not long after pondering this story I had my first spontaneous soul retrieval where I was asked to prove myself...as I had been wondering if I could assist another being just as Bob had, just by how much light might be inside of me too.
so Spooky, you're doing ok to imagine yourself to be light filled. anything in your field that you are aware of must ask your permission to remain there.

hugs, alysia
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Reply #8 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 1:32am
 
Ever since I first read of curls, I think of Cheetos. Shocked

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Reply #9 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 2:25am
 
cheetos, yes, exactly Mairlyn! however,not orange in color, I see them as see thru, an off white color! I wonder if Bob's curl had arms around his legs? or possibly was just glued onto his leg? guess u had to be there...hmmm.
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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 2:34am
 
Hi Kyo

I have contemplated your posting and here is my response that i put forward with a certain mixed reaction.  

Yes, the ultimate goal is to Ascend towards and into the Pure Light.  However, there is the Law of Balance in opposites.  Opposites harmonise each other.

How would we know what light is if we did not know dark.
How would we know what love is if we did not know hate.
How would we know what hot is if we did not know cold.

Opposites are part and parcel of our Earth's make-up and if the Spirit does not experience these opposites then it is over-targeting its mark and will find itself somewhat under-experienced entering the spiritual realms and indeed in life.

How can an exalted soul ascend without experiencing blood, sweat and tears in life?

One can say; I have transcended above sadness into Joy but did that person experience sadness to truly appreciate the Joy?  And to appreciate what they have ascended from and become from that sadness?

It is like someone applying for a position of a civil engineer without going to school or university for training in this field.  He is unqualified.  How can he be expected to build a bridge when he has not, in his studies, learnt through trial and error the correct way to build a bridge?

Experiencing and understanding the whole array of opposites in our world enables our Spirits to make a qualified and experienced choice of what path it needs take to attain spiritual enlightment that leads to the Pure Light.

A true Master knows his disciples have to experience the opposites and the blood, sweat and tears of the world to be able to say I am ready for Ascension.

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Reply #11 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 3:37am
 
Hello Augoeideian,

(First of all, as with all posts or communications by anyone to anyone else; the following post is from one possible perspective only. There is no 'wrong' or 'right', or to be precise, each individual has to choose his own 'right' path or perspective. It is always possible, and does naturally happen, that what a person interprets from another's message, is not exactly what the other person actually meant. Even if they do understand each other, it's a 'good' thing, something to be celebrated, that everyone has his/her own somewhat unique perspective, and can thus contribute uniquely to the Whole, or the Cosmos, or to God. So let us celebrate uniqueness in love, not declare war on differences).


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Yes, the ultimate goal is to Ascend towards and into the Pure Light.


(Depending on how one reads into that statement) Not quite. Such a statement has with it a sense of eventuality and (*chuckle*) fatality. If God's goal was to merge back with Him/Her/ItSelf, why would He/She/It want to split Him/Her/ItSelf into Creation in the first place?

There was never any separation (in essence) in the first place, hence no need for (in essence) 'returning back' into 'Pure Light' or Source or God. There is simultaneous connection in essence with all the Cosmos.

Furthermore, the term 'Ascension' and associated concepts has been unwisely used, or mis-used in many 'New Age' schools of thought, such that for most purposes and intents, we can discared the use of this term. Rather, it is more helpful, to use the term 'Evolution' instead. And Evolution, (unlike 'Ascension'), has no end to it, just as there is no end to the process of Creation, and no end to the Cosmos.


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However, there is the Law of Balance in opposites.  Opposites harmonise each other.

How would we know what dark is if we did not know light.
How would we know what love is if we did not know hate.
How would we know what hot is if we did not know cold.

Opposites are part and parcel of our Earth's make-up and if the Spirit does not experience these opposites then it is over-targeting its mark and will find itself somewhat under-experienced entering the spiritual realms and indeed in life.

How can an exalted soul ascend without experiencing blood, sweat and tears in life?

One can say; I have transcended above sadness into Joy but did that person experience sadness to truly appreciate the Joy?  And to appreciate what they have ascended from and become from that sadness?


You refer here to the Law of Opposite Expression, as well as to the Law of Manifestation into the denser realms that, as part of their purpose, work with the illusion of duality. The Law of Reflection and Law of Karma also have inextricable roles in these.

Yes, duality has its role, but when I spoke of "The Unproductive Illusions of Duality", I was speaking of the misguided fear that many people have of the 'dark forces', or the 'demonic', and such a fearful byproduct of Duality, is indeed extremely unproductive in terms of Evolution and Assistantiality.

You see, duality is productive specifically (and only) in the sense you have spoken about, ie. the Law of Manifestation, Laws of Reflection and Law of Opposite Expression and the Law of Karma. That is to say, for a Being to 'know thyself', it has to incarnate into the denser planes of existence;  here we speak of the Earth planetary civilization on the dense physical plane.

And as it's nature, as it's purpose (click here for the purpose and special value of *physical* incarnation), it is necessary and indeed valuable, that all traits of beings, manifest into aspects of duality. The Yin and the Yang. The female and the male.

It is a separate topic (subject even) altogether, if we were to elucidate or elaborate on why manifestation into duality is necessary, important and extremely valuable even. But in a nutshell, it is so that the Beings, in exploring the opposites or (to be accurate) spectrum of all its traits within itself, begins to know itself deeper, including all of its various potentials and possibilities, across the entire range of manifestation.

But *exactly how* each being is able to work with these Laws, including especially the Law of Opposite Expression, is the Key to this riddle. That is to say, depending on the willingness, consciential clarity and evolutionary level of the individual consciousness or being, you can work with the Law of Opposite Expression (indeed, this applies to *all* of the Laws, of course) in a productive manner, or not.

For instance, if there is a 'right', then there *must* be a 'wrong'. This is duality, and a simple example of the Law of Opposite Expression. But let each individual ask himself - is it really helpful to create such concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' in your mind, and to dogmatically live by them as guiding principles in your lifetimes and existences?

For how long, must you work with duality in this way, before you can drop it, and move on to working with duality (and Law of Opposite Expression) in a more loving, productive way?

In this particular instance, from 'right' and 'wrong', humanity will eventually evolve towards 'cosmoethical' and 'anti-cosmoethical'. A far more useful, loving and helpful concept, also of course, subject to the Law of Opposite Expression, but in a much superior, clearer and loving way.

There are countless examples of duality and opposites, that are equally loving and complementary, without needing to invoke concepts of 'bad' and 'good', or 'darkness' and 'light'.

For instance, that of masculinity and femininity. This is a powerful duality that has very important significance spiritually, including with relationships of all kinds, and ultimately the Law of Love.

Every individual soul, is (naturally, by definition) both male and female. For the duration of a physical incarnation into a biological body of one gender, naturally the soul or higher self, in discussion with the guides & helpers and Evolutionary Orientor, selects a particular mix of traits, taking into consideration the masculinity and femininity of these traits, in appropriation with the biological gender of the upcoming physical body.

Not merely the traits per se of course, but inextricably, various specific relationship roles and karmic memories from past relationships and lifetimes, that will be in line with the current lifetime's existential program and planned (and/or forseeable) relationships with specific other individuals in this upcoming lifetime.

This is for another (extensive and interesting) topic altogether. Suffice to say that while most souls will naturally (and this is 'good', in case some worry about this) prefer to lean towards one gender more than the other in it's own self-identity, but generally, as the soul evolves, by the time it nears the end of its necessity for physical incarnation, that is to say, it is preparing to graduate into a Homo sapiens Serenissimus ('enlightened one' or 'ascended master'), he/she will have accomplished a very harmonious balance between his/her male and female energies, or selves, at the soul level.

In the intraphysical, which (each physical lifetime) is really a 'story', thus there must be roles, and thus every physical incarnate person, regardless of evolutionary level will naturally play the role of the gender of the biological body (or if some prefer to be gays or lesbians or bisexuals instead, it is totally fine and up to their free will. Though using the gender of the physical biological body to explore that same gender aspects of your soul, is for most people, what is naturally of the greatest ease and is thus used, unless there are other personal karmic factors that complexify this).

Nonetheless, it is important that each individual right now intraphysically incarnate, to connect with, and unconditionally love, his female self (if he's a man), and/or her male self (if she's a woman). Those with karmic issues with members of the opposite sex, will be found to have projected their own inner imbalances (eg. power struggle, abuse, etc) onto others around them, from past lives leading to the present. Though of course this matter is complicated by external past life trauma, and so be careful here, we do not claim that the inner always causes the external; or that the external (event or trauma) always causes the inner (issue); they must always be worked with hand-in-hand.

Which brings us to the conclusion of this little discussion on duality and the Law of Opposite Expression - that in 'transcending' duality, it is not that one blinds himself to the tremendous didactic and pedagogic value of their manifested dual aspects. Quite the contrary, the evolved consciousness will celebrate both opposite or complementary aspects, [b]not as separate from each other, but (connecting hand-in-hand) as (an inseparable spectrum of) Oneness.

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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 9:56am
 
Kyo,

A very nice thread you have going here.  I must comment, as my inner voice compels me.  Sometimes I will take the "devil's advocate," view.  Forgive me, old friend as this is meant for a good healthy discussion.

The problem with doing away with terms such as right and wrong, good and evil is that they are functional and practical terms for us here in physcial reality.  Now I ask you, a key criticism comes about when we talk of cosmoethical or anticomsoethical.  Who decides which actions fall under this definition?  Imagine, if you will, two advanced loving entities trying to help a living person evolve.  One pushes in this direction, the other the opposite.  Yin and Yang.  Duality (darn it!) on an etheric plane!  When questioned, they both say they are acting in a cosmoethical way.  They may not agree on each other's means.

You see what I am saying, my friend?  We can agree that cosmoethical implies acting in a way that will be loving and geared toward loving others.  But there is more than one way to skin a cat.  We see this with "tough love" for troubled children, who have to hit rock bottom in order to realize their own natures and evolve.  Others might disagree and say that the troubled child needs counseling and kindness - not tough love.  Duality!  

So I would put it to you this way; in order to act, we usually need to have an opinion.  Opinions vary, whether on this plane or others; such is the nature of consciousness.  If opinions vary, the ideas of cosmoethical and anticosmoethical may vary in two loving souls.  As such, one may end up finding these terms helpful, but not any more useful than the terms good and evil.  

We can all agree that to act in a loving cosmoethical way is the true nature of God and the universe (and as such ourselves).  However, I wonder if any enlightened soul has reached the level of clarity so that their opinions won't spawn duality.  Opinion by its very nature does spawn duality very well.


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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 10:02am
 
Hi Kyo

Yes, the sharing of views and opinions is to be celebrated in the freedom that they are given and
received.  It is counter-productive to insist one way is 'right' and the other way is 'wrong'. For the
productive way is to be united in a shared goal and, in my view, this goal is to become better
people.  Better people indicates an enlightened spirit; the spirit manifested through the physical.

Peace be with you brother and your good work.  Pure Light is the front door.

There is a teaching of a seeking to merge back with Him-Her self because a seperation did
take place.  The Her became seperated from the Him; they were One.  He breathed Her out
of Them as an expression of His love for Her and His wish to see Her reflect Them.

And because He breathed Her into Life She began to seperate from Him.  He could not swallow
Her back into Him but She swallowed Him into Her.  Still seperated She carries Him with Her and
because seperated She began to drift away without Him to hold Her in His very being although
She is holding Him in Her heart.

They search for one another through the eons of time.  With Her forever holding Him in Her heart
and with Him seeking for a part of Him that is lost.  The path to find one another is; He forever
holding Her face (for he has seen Her) in his heart and keeping Her alive with His love thoughts of Her and She keeps Sacred for Their love.  For when They join They become One again.  It is a dance, woven in the Cosmos, He seeking and Her waiting.

It is said there is only a certain amount of time to find one-another.  She making Him a warrior
with Her love thoughts of Him, these thoughts making Him strong to find Her. 

Now why did i post this besides the first paragraph of merging back.  I suppose Kyo it is maybe
my romantic nature and although i am open to all teachings, i resonant to these teachings.
But also my Spirit is gentle, like all of ours, and it does not lean towards 'isms' and such terminology.
This in my heart makes my Spirit seem more concrete and seperated from the Source. 
The ascent or evolution of One, as eloquently described above seems a bit clinical
to me, dare i say with respect and not directed at you ... a bit shallow.  This is not what i think
but what i feel. Though as you said, this is the diversity and celebration of discussion and
not every one feels or thinks the same.

The original topic being 'unproductive illusions of duality' would you then say that this is an illusion of duality Kyo?   

Highest regards to you.

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Re: The Unproductive Illusions of Duality
Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2006 at 1:27pm
 
Hello Matthew,

Some aspects of this conversation (ie. your post) reminds us of the first conversation we had. There is a slight similarity here.

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Now I ask you, a key criticism comes about when we talk of cosmoethical or anticomsoethical.  Who decides which actions fall under this definition?


No one, and everyone. That is to say, no one entity decides on behalf of everyone else. But when there is a sufficiently common understanding of what CosmoEthics means, then it is not so much "*this* is the highest cosmoethical action" or "*that* is the highest cosmoethical action", but rather, that those beings would recognizing the potential for CosmoEthics, come to a decision the best he can as to what is CosmoEthically appropriate for him to do (not necessarily the singular highest CosmoEthical path, as ideal as that sounds).


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Imagine, if you will, two advanced loving entities trying to help a living person evolve.  One pushes in this direction, the other the opposite.  Yin and Yang.  Duality (darn it!) on an etheric plane!  When questioned, they both say they are acting in a cosmoethical way. They may not agree on each other's means.


Certainly. And that's how it 'should' be, so to speak. Such unique perspectives are celebrated and welcome. Even amongst the guides & helpers themselves (who include yourselves; for the term but describes a role of assistentiality, not of definitive identity), it is a common occurence that there are various perspectives and ideas, though primarily thanks to a willingness to understand each other, and in recognition of common goals, there is quite a fair bit of mutual respect and common understanding, as well as a consensus, as to various issues on the fundamental levels.

I recall once that Hilarion, during a personal Reading, made it a point to emphasize, "*All* of the guides & helpers are in agreement on this issue, that...". Which not only implies that such unanimity is not always the case, but perhaps more specifically, that "right then, you damn well better listen up!".



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You see what I am saying, my friend?  We can agree that cosmoethical implies acting in a way that will be loving and geared toward loving others.  But there is more than one way to skin a cat.


Which is what I'm saying. And it's beautiful aint it? That there is no objective reality or 'right/wrong' forced upon all beings. There are always many ways or solutions about any issue. (But this does not mean everything is but subjective. More on this matter in a while).

You see, CosmoEthics is a fantastically complex science. In the theoretical, conceptual framework of CosmoEthics, there will be, in theory and in potential, all of the various possible pathways of any given situation taken into consideration. But these pathways are near limitless and infinite in their diversity.

No one person can declare or claim that "*such-and-such* is *the* most CosmoEthical way of doing this in this given situation". Even (or shall I say, *especially*) the guides & helpers are perpetually questioning themselves, always observing analytically and reflecting critically, on exactly how CosmoEthical their practices and work, both individually and collectively, are. And continually seek to improve and evolve.

And here in the intraphysical, CosmoEthics work, not to enforce a fixed path of action in any given situation, but (the goal being) to cultivate in the individual a recognition, a potential for, and the willingness to ever strive towards greater and greater CosmoEthics.

Then, the part of you which feels disturbed by the idea of "but if there is no objective reality, wouldn't that mean the entire idea of CosmoEthics might be hogwash? Then we could all be just wasting our time!"

Ahhh, here's the thing. There is indeed "no objective reality" insofar as the idea of an 'external' or 'artificial' power, enforcing an 'alien' reality, rules or 'rightness' upon each and all beings.

But there are indeed, collective or shared realities, understandings, and CosmoEthics. "But wouldn't that constitute and 'objective reality'?" Not in the sense of the external forcing it's will upon you, but rather, a recognition of Oneness amongst all Beings, and therefore, it becomes *Your* reality, not 'objective' reality. For afterall, if it is yours, there is ownership and responsibility, then the term 'objective' which denotes alienation and lack of connection with, fails to appropriately convey the reality of, well, reality.

So once we have this idea of 'objectivity' vs 'subjectivity' out of the way (as poles of duality, they both fail to on their own, correctly portray the Whole or Reality), let's talk about CosmoEthics.

To those who may be concerned that CosmoEthics may not actually exist, we will say this. CosmoEthics does not exist without you, without all Beings in the Cosmos. Or put in another way, it would be meaningless without you, and your input, the Beings of the Cosmos.

However, CosmoEthics, not in the sense of simply a singular action that is the most 'right thing to do' in any given situation, but CosmoEthics in the sense of the potential to be the most loving, to be of benefit to the greatest number of beings in the most powerful ways, that, certainly *does* exist.

You can say that two people of markedly different backgrounds and characters, may have two completely different, opposing even, viewpoints on what is the most helpful or CosmoEthical thing to do in a given situation. That's fine. It doesn't negate the possibility (probability actually) there could still be a higher, more CosmoEthical path not merely amongst the two ideas, but in fact a 3rd (4th, 5th, etc) pathway of action, that could be of even greater CosmoEthical value or benefit to all beings involved.

So how can you determine this? You can't absolutely. No one can. But should this be a valid reason to stop you from trying? For you to stop wanting to care, to love, and to help others? (Which is basically what CosmoEthics is).

In addition, in the above described scenario of the two guys fighting over who has the more CosmoEthical idea, there is a simple solution (it is not definitive, but it is practical). Ask their guides & helpers for *their* perspective, input and advice on the CosmoEthics of the situation. And ask the guides of their guides. And their guides' guides' guides. And so on and so forth.

Remember that Evolution has no end. Every level has its own guides & helpers, quite virtually, ad infinitum. So there is CosmoEthics, even if at any one level (ie. without input from a higher level), there may be disagreements as to what constitutes such.

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