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Reply #15 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 12:38am
 
Hey Kyo,

Great post! I was wondering about the ideas of karma and reincarnation... If a soul reincarnates to get over past life traumas/sufferings, and the incarnation at their present moment is not helping them (possibly hindering them) to procure previous dispositions... will there "next" incarnation be set up "easier"/more efficienctly, or do the souls just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper until some fluke happening finally snaps them back, and onto the right track?

Thanks,

PUL,
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Reply #16 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 2:07am
 
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Hey Kyo,
Great post! I was wondering about the ideas of karma and reincarnation... If a soul reincarnates to get over past life traumas/sufferings, and the incarnation at their present moment is not helping them (possibly hindering them) to procure previous dispositions... will there "next" incarnation be set up "easier"/more efficienctly, or do the souls just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper until some fluke happening finally snaps them back, and onto the right track?
Thanks, PUL,
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Hi Cosmic_Ambitions,

No, the next life will not *necessarily* be either 'easier', or 'more difficult'. Both are possible, depending on the learning style of the soul, his/her own free will and choices, and from the perspective, understanding and planning of the individual's guides, helpers, counselors, angels (though their role are usually more behind-the-scenes) and designated Evolutionary Orientor (who appears with other important Teachers of that soul, on the 'Council of Elders', as termed by Michael Newton).

Both principles do apply simultaneously.

On the one hand, just as if a student fails a test and is given a repeat test, it'll have to be tougher. This is the case for suicide (not euthanasia). The suicidee will have to face the same emotional difficulty that drove him/her to suicide, not only in the afterlife or intermissive period, but also in the next lifetime, with greater intensity and difficulty, for the soul to prove to him/herself that he/she has the strength to overcome this weakness.

On the other hand, if no progress is made, or even backsliding occurs, for a particular issue that the soul isn't handling very well, the guides & helpers (a generic term for all beings performing the *role* of guides & helpers to the soul, including the Teachers and Evolutionary Orientor) may plan upcoming lifetimes to take a break from that issue, and to more productively delve into other, shall we say healthier, issues for the soul instead. But the original difficult issue which the soul temporarily took a break from, must be returned to awareness, balanced and evolved, in a future existence, usually a physical lifetime or experience is needed for this (this goes back to the unique opportunities for learning and growth, afforded only by the intraphysical experience).

So it is not dogmatic, by any means. Whatever works, whatever helps. That's how the higher guides & helpers function, ie. intelligently, not dogmatically.

Indeed, in the practical application of these principles, one can see how both principles work hand-in-hand, harmoniously rather than antagonistically.


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or do the souls just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper until some fluke happening finally snaps them back, and onto the right track?


Nothing is left to 'fluke', because every lifetime, every existence, is so precious to the Whole/God/All-The-Cosmos. No one is without guides & helpers, or beings that love him/her/it. It is only in the consciousness of some, who due to various personal issues, prefer not to be involved in various forms or ideas of what they might misunderstand a relationship with a guide/helper to be like, and so for these people who imagine "I don't want a guide or helper!", then by all means, they won't have guides or helpers, at least not in the limited way they might have imagined a relationship with a guide or helper to be. (eg. those with issues of oppression as amongst their karmic themes, with authority figures, who imagine guides, helpers, and Evolutionary Orientors, to be intrusive and oppressive, or represent intrusion and oppression).

But does the cop across the street, or the cashier that served you at the supermarket, not act in some role of a 'helper' to you? Or the lovely little puppy, or the beauty of the forests, not act as a 'guide' to open your heart?

So it is such, that as one begins to see clearly, as one begins to open him/herself to greater willingness, to greater possibilities, to greater freedom (coming from greater Clarity), as one evolves in the understanding, experience and ownership of the Universal Laws, one sees that essentially, that which is within him/herself, and by this time it is usually Love, assistantiality and helpfulness, will be that which forms the basis of his/her relationship with the entire Cosmos, with all other beings in the Cosmos.

(We give thanks to & for the higher guide & helper beings who helped us bring through the above communication, message and loving energy).



Back to your question, Cosmic_Ambitions,

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or do the souls just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper until some fluke happening finally snaps them back, and onto the right track?


The guides & helpers will intervene, so to speak. Whether it is in the conext of a single physical incarnation, or in the greater context of a series of physical incarnations, whenever the individual is seen to be backsliding or sidetracking from, losing his way from the original plan or existential program, then the guides & helpers will set into motion a series of reminders, symbols and events to short circuit the downward spiral, as far as is appropriate or calculated to be helpful to the individual.

Unfortunately for many people, who have time and time again refused their own willingness to explore their own compassion & love, higher natures, karmic themes, or a deeper spiritual purpose to their lives, and especially if they're indulging in damaging habit patterns, detrimental to not merely themselves but to others around them, and wasting the significant effort of their own higher self, their guides, helpers, karmic soul family or group, their Evolutionary Orientor and their Angels, ie. their entire extraphysical team of love & support, then for the sake of the individual, the wake up call will have to be as forceful as is necessary.

This will usually take the form of a trauma, and from the viewpoint of self-responsibility, it is a self-created trauma on two levels. It is self-created because of the individual's own unwillingness to 'learn the easy way', so to speak. Eg. to have to experience a similar pain, to realize the unlovingness of his abusive actions to others. It is also self-created, for all suffering is such, when one realizes that lack-of-clarity and lack-of-love, is always at the root of all suffering (see the work of Byron Katie). These go hand-in-hand, because the very act of Evolution leads one to greater Clarification, and the very act of Clarification leads one to greater Evolution. (Hint : to greatly accelerate your spiritual evolution, *practice* the Clarification method as conceptualized by, among others, Byron Katie, today).

Finally, a last point to add in reply to your question. If a soul appears to be, due to recalcitrant traits, lack of clarity, very difficult karmic issues, and exacerbated by difficult intrusion, (incidentally, all of the above usually comes together, they're each other's cause and effect), seriously stuck in a downward spiral with each successive lifetime, with regards to one or several (again, these inevitably influence each other intimately) learning issues or karmic themes, then steps will be taken by the guides & helpers to move (forcefully if necessary) the soul into a place of alternative choice, to provide opportunity to the soul, to let him see that such negative choices, of self-suffering and/or harm to others, is *not* the only way (which is how the soul must be seeing it, else why would he be stuck?).

The possible variations and nuances of the delivery of this antidote becomes interesting. For instance, if a soul has been stuck in a role of abusive husband or male partner, for many lifetimes in a doward spiral, the guides & helpers may likely arrange for the soul to incarnate as a female, and furthermore arrange (assist in the delivery of the automatic karma, more precisely) to be invariably attracted into a relationship with an abusive man. This didactic or pegagogical method has the advantagous feature of opportunity (conditional only to the willingness of the individual to learn and evolve from this experience) for the balancing of his/her own karma from past harmful actions to others, and as well as, together with further planning, provide the opportunity for the individual to step away from, to free him/herself from, the negative downward spiral of ill-conceived habit patterns.

Such may take the form of, subsequently arranging for the opportunity for a balanced, loving relationship with another, more evolved individual (now acting in some capacity as a 'guide' or 'helper', but in the intraphysical context). Though there may be residual psychological difficulties from the prior abusive relationship with others (both the abusive man, and now with clarity, the other women the soul had abused in the past), but given the opportunity to contrast the quality, tenderness, affection, genuine caring and sincerity of the new relationship, the soul then takes on a new perspective and understanding, not only (now realizing) of the harm it had caused to others, but most importantly, the preciousness of any relationship as an expression and experience of love, of mutual assistantiality, or an evolutionary partnership, and in the highest form, an Evolutionary Duo.

And when this breaking-of-dawn-of-light finally happens for such a soul (seen to be had been stuck in a downard spiral across many lifetimes), the guides & helpers high-five each other.

(On Evolutionary Duo, see - http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/IAC/index.htm#EvolutionaryDuo )


Now, in practice, there are near limitless possibilities, complex karmic scenarios and complex relationships, that will have to be taken into consideration by the guides, helpers and Evolutionary Orientor, as well as the existential programs of other souls intimately associated with this one, before a specific plan can be formulated. (It's a demanding job to be sure, but one that is it's own reward - compassion, love, assisting and helping others).

And of course, we at NASA can formulate all the plans we want, but should the astronaut on Mars decide to hit the self-destruct button of the spacecraft for the thrill of it, well.


For detailed and very illuminating examples of this process in action (ie. how the guides & helpers introduce new themes, new relationships, and changes into the individual's series of incarnations, to help the individual learn particular karmic lessons), see Charles Breaux's "Way of Karma".

A *very* highly recommended Read, for *everyone* :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/WayOfKarma/index.htm
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Reply #17 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 3:29pm
 
Thanks Kyo,

Again, your replies are otherworldly! I appreciate the depth and sincerity...

I'm going to have to re-read through that post a few times, to really drive home some key points.

Thanks for the links below, I'm going to investigate those further.

Again, your articulation is magnetic!

Thanks once more,
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. Regarding the music link that you provided under the "Heart Chakra Revisited" thread... I've been habitually listening to all of it... (Especially "Michael Maxwell - The Elegance of Pachelbel). -- Great soothing energizing music in the morning... especially after a cup of coffee!

P.S.S. Say for example, I and a fellow probe, at the very beginning of the first launch from "The Source"... Dove head long into our "very first" incarnation endeavors on planet "X" in the physical... If both, I, and my fellow probe-mate were "virgins" when it came to the aspects of physical incarnations, and were untainted by previous karmic debts... What would elicit one of us to go astray from achieving our planned existential completism goals? Considering we don't have previous karmic debts to work through? Or are karmic debts built for us, as a way to learn/grow, even "before" our first incarnations into the physical planes... Hence, the origins of individuality/personality.

I still have yet to read through those links that you so kindly provided, so forgive me if this has already been addressed... (either in the post below, "which I'm going to re-read a few times, or in the links provided.) Also, my mind has to absorb, discharge, and reintegrate a lot of "things" when considering mind expanding topics, such as this... So, again, forgive me if I seem to "rehash" old discussions.

Thanks again!... It's really appreciated. Smiley
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Reply #18 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 4:17pm
 
Dear Cosmic_Ambitions,

Thanks again for your kind words, they are appreciated. And you're more than welcome! My thanks to you for expressing your opinion, and for the opportunity to be of service.

And we (Kyo et al) too, deeply give of our own appreciation and gratitude to our colleague guides & helpers, angels, Hilarion and all beings of higher vibration that have helped us (past, present and future) to bring through these messages and energies, and continue to do so. Our appreciation and gratitude to you, to all of you, now, always and forever.

I particularly noted (with appreciation and gratitude) the overlighting presence particularly strongly at various points in my post (and posts), for instance such as the following paragraph, as I translated and iterated the energies into human language and typed it out :

So it is such, that as one begins to see clearly, as one begins to open him/herself to greater willingness, to greater possibilities, to greater freedom (coming from greater Clarity), as one evolves in the understanding, experience and ownership of the Universal Laws, one sees that essentially, that which is within him/herself, and by this time it is usually Love, assistantiality and helpfulness, will be that which forms the basis of his/her relationship with the entire Cosmos, with all other beings in the Cosmos.



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P.S. Regarding the music link that you provided under the "Heart Chakra Revisited" thread... I've been habitually listening to all of it... (Especially "Michael Maxwell - The Elegance of Pachelbel). -- Great soothing energizing music in the morning... especially after a cup of coffee!


Glad you enjoy it! Pachelbel's Canon is simply Angelic, as are the multitude of versions based on his theme. Michael Maxwell is an especially talented and gifted musician, his various arrangement of Pachelbel's Canon is wonderful! I still regularly (every now and then) enjoy playing George Winston's "Variations on the Kanon" on the piano, it's beauty never fails to touch me emotionally.

For the benefit of other readers, for those interested, here is my Pachelbel Canon webpage url again :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Canon


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P.S.S. Say for example, I and a fellow probe, at the very beginning of the first launch from "The Source"... Dove head long into our "very first" incarnation endeavors on planet "X" in the physical... If both, I, and my fellow probe-mate were "virgins" when it came to the aspects of physical incarnations, and were untainted by previous karmic debts... What would elicit one of us to go astray from achieving our planned existential completism goals? Considering we don't have previous karmic debts to work through? Or are karmic debts built for us, as a way to learn/grow, even "before" our first incarnations into the physical planes... Hence, the origins of individuality/personality.

I still have yet to read through those links that you so kindly provided, so forgive me if this has already been addressed...


*Heheh!* Yes indeed, I would suggest and ask that you read the *entire* book, Charles Breaux's "Way of Karma", before we pick up on this question again. And yes, with regards to your particular multi-question above, you would find most of the answer within that book. If there are still futher gaps or queries (on this particular issue) after you've read the entire book, I'll do my best to share my perspective and understanding.

Charles Breaux's Way of Karma :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/WayOfKarma/index.htm


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Reply #19 - Apr 28th, 2006 at 4:46pm
 
I have Pachelbel..I got it from Target. it became like my background music when I write.
I got a feeling from it that it was the place where all humanity is going. my favorite is Variations on Pachelbels Canon, has a tuba that is fantanstic!
I highly reccomend this music if u want to be carried to another world. love, alysia
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Reply #20 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 3:08am
 
Hello once again Kyo,

I have read through Charles Breaux's "Way of Karma" (very interesting Kyo)... Thank you.

I still have a few questions/thoughts regarding the aspects of Karma:

Charles wrote: "Until a soul is able to achieve a transcendent perspective, and hence begins to disidentify with its complexes, it will continue to spiral through lifetimes of action and reaction, lifetimes of contrasting opposites..." (Charles Breaux: "Way of Karma". p.256 & 257)

This concept definitely ties in well with seeing the overriding neutrality of duality. I agree. However, I remember reading about a Quantum theorist whom believed he existed within multiple dimensions simultaneously... As a result, he stayed to himself his whole life and avoided any actions or thoughts that would interfere with his other "selves" in other dimensions. Also, this would in theory cleanse the wake of karma that was built up over the lifetimes.

It seems to me that by secluding yourself from the world around you and not participating in the "circus" behind you, that you are, in essence, not participating in the possibilities of helping creation evolve... However, upon interacting with the so called "circus" behind you, you are thereby running the risk of tainting your Karma further, or damaging a "good run" that you may have been consecutively building up over many lifetimes.

It seems to me that the CosmoEthics of Karma encompasses a very fine balance indeed... and that it is almost, (but not quite), an unacheivable task as defined by human standards.

Charles wrote: "The best way to advance is to refrain whenever possible from dwelling on negative thoughts; accept, indeed appreciate, karmic lessons; plant good seeds; and remember, we grow and learn best through love." (Charles Breaux: "Way of Karma". P. 260)

I agree with this statement whole heartedly. However, there are situations/conditions in life that can become very complex/difficult to traverse in all practicality, especially for those willing to participate in the "circus" of life (affording creation), and whom choose not to ignore the world by banning themselves from the world. I have to admit, there are situations in life whereby becoming involved with the world and its inhabitants one is exposing himself/herself to a great deal of possible karmic damage... (I would hate to see what would happen if a Buddha was unwillingly drafted into the military.) Wink

Charles wrote:

"In Asia, the nontheistic religion of Taoism addresses the ultimate reality with a term that simply means "The Way." When we become masters of our own fate, we are not free to do whatever we so please. A Master is a being who has freed himself or herself from the laws of karma by relinquishing attachments and personal identity, and learned how to follow "The Way." The Zen Master Sengstan once said that the Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent, everything becomes clear and undistinguished. If we make the slightest distinction, however, heaven and earth are set infinitely apart. If we wish to see the truth, then we can hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what we like against what we dislike is just a disease of the mind." (Charles Breaux: "Way of Karma" p. 260)

(I'm not quite sure what to make of this passage.):

"When "love & hate" are both absent everything becomes clear and undistinguished. If we make the slightest distinction, however, heaven and earth are set infinitely apart." (Charles Breaux: "Way of Karma" p. 260)

Maybe I'm understanding this passage wrong... Let's see.... if it was re-written to:

"When love & lack of love are both absent everything becomes clear and undistinguished. If we make the slightest distinction, however, heaven and earth are set infinitely apart.

-- So, if we make the slightest distinction between love & lack of love.... heaven and earth are set infinitely apart...
-- So, there is no distinction between love and lack of love... otherwise, heaven and earth won't be together...
-- So, when there is nothing concerning either in existence. When love & hate (lack of love) are both absent, and everything becomes clear and undistinguished... it is at that very "point" that heaven and earth become one?

I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly...

Thoughts?
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. I still couldn't find the answer as to where the initial karmic debt is accumulated from, beings we don't start out with any debt at all? (I wouldn't expect to hear from bill collectors if I just got my credit card 2 seconds ago.) There must be some preordained obstacles set before us, before we even begin our "initial" venture into the physical planes... so that our karmic lives can start from that point and go forward. Otherwise, we would have no reason to reincarnate if we couldn't accrue some debt from somewhere...)

Just my pondy ponderances... (whatever those are worth.) Smiley

P.S.S. I'm going to petition the powers that be. I would like a banner to be erected around the outskirts of our planet that reads the following:

"Caution: Oracles in progress: Mind limit limitless" LOL! Wink
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Reply #21 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 5:41am
 
Hello again, Cosmic_Awareness,

Glad you enjoyed Charles Breaux's "Way of Karma". Your "pondy ponderances" are certainly thoughtful and in-depth, and I do for the moment have not have much in way of comment, to add to them.

Have you read the other "Karma" links on my webpage, by the way? It is probably most appropriate for you to, after having read all of these resources, to come to your own conclusion with regards to your most interesting "pondy ponderances".


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This discussion as set out by Cosmic_Awareness, has great potential for a significantly interesting and perhaps vitally important discussion on Karma. I'm aware that there are many others on this forum (though some appear to have taken temporary/permanent leave) who would have many interesting perspectives and ideas to share on this topic.

I'll choose to mostly sit this one out, and instead, as with Cosmic_Ambitions, invite everyone else to please (feel invited to) share your views and perspectives on this universally-relevant-and-important-to-everyone topic - that of Karma.

I do however, wish to take this opportunity to point out, and invite, everyone (including Cosmic_Ambitions), to furthermore also check out *three* other rather enlightening resources on this subject (of Karma), in addition to Charles Breaux's "Way of Karma", which focus on different aspects of Karma, and (in my personal opinion) are all equally important and revealing about the true nature and purpose of Karma.

Some of you have may have already read them, but if you have not yet done so, please take a little bit of time to check them out now.



Hilarion on Karma (from "Other Kingdoms", channeled by Maurice B Cooke) :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_on_Karma/index....


International Academy of Consciousness (IAC) on Evolutionary Inertia (a topic closely related to Karma) :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/IAC/index.htm#EvolutionaryInertia


Sanada Jesus Christ on Karma (during the Hilarion Winter Solstice 2005 Channeling, channeled by Jon C Fox) :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_JesusChristSana...

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Reply #22 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 8:43am
 
Dear Kyo,

Enjoyed your reply to Cosmic_Ambition about personalities. It also helps to explain and understand when the 'enlightened ones' or 'gurus' say there is No Personal Self there is only One.

As my teacher once said to me, "There is no human 'Being' just Oneness 'Being' and you are that."

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Reply #23 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 11:08am
 
Dear Paradox,

Thanks and glad you enjoyed it.


Indeed, one could put it in this way :


The Meaning of Life is Love,
The Meaning of Love is God,
The Meaning of God is ONE.



It may true that because of the damage caused by religion and dogma, some might prefer not to use the term 'God' at all. But we believe it is completely workable to have the 'best-of-both-worlds', that the deep reverence and sacred love that countless good people have come to understand in their hearts as 'God', can be realized and actualized together with the truth of greater multidimensional reality, spiritual enlightenment and consciential evolutionology.

That when one looks into the eyes (and thus into the soul) of a precious loved one, whether it be a spouse, a friend, a child, an animal, a plant, an angel, our extraterrestrial cousins, the Earth, or even the Stars, and one has the willingness to see the truth with one's Heart - that it is verily *God* that is the true identity of the one (and all) whom you love, and it is *God* that is the true identity of the one (and all) whom loves you.





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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 12:06pm
 
So happy to see music mentioned, especially Canon in D by Johann Pachelbel. I play the piano and classicals are my favorite. Fur Elise is also another favorite. When I started playing them, I then truly understood the meaning of 'Music for the Soul.'

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Reply #25 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 12:24pm
 
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So happy to see music mentioned, especially Canon in D by Johann Pachelbel. I play the piano and classicals are my favorite.


Here, try David Lanz's version of the Canon. It's wonderful!

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Canon/DavidLanz_PachelbelCanon_Score.zip
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Reply #26 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 2:24pm
 
Thank you Kyo.....just beautiful.

I've been so impressed with your post and website, today I ordered the complete set of Hilarion Universal law tapes.   Wink

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Reply #27 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 2:29pm
 
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Thank you Kyo.....just beautiful.

I've been so impressed with your post and website, today I ordered the complete set of Hilarion Universal law tapes.   Wink

Peace,
Paradox



!!! Oooooh! I do hope you didn't actually order the "tapes" version, but rather the newer CD-Rom version! Back when the Universal Law titles began, CD technology weren't commonplace yet, so the first 'incarnation' were as audio tapes. Then more recently, a few years ago, Jon C Fox began making CD versions of all his channelings (including Personal Readings) available.

If you indeed ordered the 'tapes' version as an oversight, you can e-mail Jon to request for an amendment to the order.

And thank you, for your kind words for my website and post. And yeah, David Lanz's "Variations on a Theme from Pachelbel's Canon in D Major" is simply magical, dreamy fantasy, other-worldly bliss incarnate as music! Wink

(For other readers who might like to hear a sample of the David Lanz masterpiece, instead of playing it on the piano themselves, you can download it from a link on my webpage here)


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Reply #28 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 2:55pm
 
Hi CA ...  thinking about karma is something I avoided until I got older. probably due to a streak of rebellion against any authority I was born with it seems; a love of feeling free is in there somewhere which I share with everyone I believe.

speaking of karma from personal viewpoint I endured it anyway! but karma=balance. from the discussion above, that sounds like a very good book. i like the part about having no preferences, then it could go either way and you've already decided that whichever way it goes it is a positive experience because you've decided that it would not be seen as negative.
this philosophy I've often considered is myself giving myself a surprise, or allowing surprises to happen by believing in humanity that the basis of our nature is love...once belief systems of all kinds can be set aside, even if only momentarily to see it differently.
I'm proud that I read ACIM which taught me one affirmation I utilized over and over "I am willing to see this differently." pride goes before a fall, so I've fallen on my face quite often, but I still have it! ha ha!...  it was useful. does work, just not in one day to see it differently, then a little more balance slips up on you.
I had an interesting karmic relationship with me mom. I do believe we pick these situations out and return with people we've known before. I've had info that my mother and I have resolved all issues and so we are free from creating that again. I actually "died" as her daughter in the astral. that way, I could get myself retrieved by my loving daughter who told me "I was dead." ha ha! thats what retrievals are for; sometimes we just don't realize we've died. I was lucky, or it was ordained, I got to experience what the dead feel like and also what it meant to be saved by love. I make it sound funny here, but it was most serious while it was happening!  criminy, we spirits can create the most incredible dramas to work our way thru. balance is much more comfortable. once you've died, and survived, it can't get any worse than that, so you are more balanced to accept anything that comes along with a more positive balanced outlook.
I suppose I've led many secular lives, at least 2 or 3 that I know of. and nothing wrong with those lives because in the end, if you've burned off your karma, the meaning of that for me, is you owe nothing to anyone so you've nothing to pay back so much as you pay it forward and you can start giving yourself away free which is better than forcing your belief systems upon others as "the only way." each of us appears to forge our own pathway, although some stay on the beaten track as it appears easier. at some point they vear off on their own.
starting to ramble again, better sign off! I enjoy the threads you make! I love doing my own takes....
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Reply #29 - Apr 30th, 2006 at 9:01pm
 
Thank you Kyo,

I will dive further into this topic of Karma by reading through the links that you so kindly provided. I will also be on the lookout for some meaningful meaningfulness regarding the questions that I have been "pondy pondering"... Suffice it to say, I will dawn my scholarly cap, groom my majestic white beard, pull out my dusty (but, well kept) rocking chair, and begin the quest of a lifetime into the seemingly endless ventures of Karma. I suppose I will toss my ideas onto a well aged oak tree and see what sticks/remains/resonates. Wink

Thanks again for your sincere help and advise... I truly appreciate it!

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Hello LaughingRain Laffingrain!

I enjoyed your delving into this topic of Karma... very interesting/useful ideas you possess there. Your comradery behooves me! Wink

I will have to agree with you on an earlier post of yours:

"I surely do hope we all may one day look back and say it was all worthwile, but nope, wouldn't do it again.... no way! Not with the fire in me now!"

I will surely sail with you on that boat! Let's just hope the wind is strong enough to carry the two of us!

Now to the immense reading I've unknowingly accumulated...

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. I think, therefore I am... How about I change that around a little bit... I am, therefore I think... (there.... "much" better.) Wink

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