Hi everyone!
I would appreciate some ideas about these two dreams I had. At some points they are repeating, so I guess there must be something in it I have to figure out and work on it.
Background info: I did the TMI Gateway Voyage 2004 in Europe, and was at TMI (Nancy Penn Center) for Lifeline in 2005, before this dreams. Because the dreams are not very beautiful, I have to say that it was absolutely fantastic at the TMI, as well as at the GV in Europe.

1. September 15/16, 2005:
I know I am at TMI. There are people I do not know. They do something, running in a row, now they're gone and I'm alone and don't know what to do nor what they're doing.
Inside the building (couldn't make out similarities to Nancy Penn Center): Dark corridors, theres much old stuff, furniture and I don't know what, dusty, not frequented, unused for a long time it seems. "Good place for ghosts" I'm thinking. Don't know what I#m doing here, alone.
Then I was outside the building, close to it's wall, there was a thick vegetation, these plants were very green and looked like good-growing, the outline of their leafs were like fern, but not feathered. I start to walk away from the building but this plants hold me back! The got close together, they stick to my trousers as if they have burrs! I tried to get a way along the wall of the building, there has to be a path. But the same thing, the plants hold me back at my legs! I remember my techniques of my mind-journeys, radiate and imagine that I will do it. Slowly and with difficulty I walk along the wall until I finally leave this "jungle" behind me.
In the building again. There are many sleeping-mats rolled out on the floor, but I have none, I haven't taken my own one with me. My travelbag is empty. How strange! How can that be? I have come here with airplane such quick, without packing my things together for travel? This is not the way I am! But it isn't a week, it's only two or three days. I remember someone led me to this sleeping-place. There must be a blanket for me somewhere I can use. Meanwhile the other people are still doing something together I don't know about. I always miss something, and I don't know why that is!
Because I have done some things which are not allowed or not appreciated, I advices me a new sleeping place, where it's cold and windy, and someone of the institute is going to sleep there too so he can have a look at me. It drives me to dispair that I just don't know what I might have done wrong, if I only knew! No one cares about me. No one tells me what I'm doing wrong or why I don't get what to do and why I'm not into it what the others do. I just feel treated like a unloved, dumb child.
It's in the evening, I climb up a tree very near the building. It's pretty high. I can see the other people right down, they're sitting together, lampions are glowing. I wonder if they find it amazing that I climbed so high. They are there, below. I don't know if they notice me.

2. April 11/12 2006 [I woke up early, wanted to fall asleep again but couldn't until I had made some notes about this dream]:
I am at the TMI for Exploration 27. It is definitely not the Nancy Penn Center. To my left is a low building, to my right a garden and/or park to walk around, in the middle, where I am standing, is a pavemented place for conversation, barbeque or something like that. People standing around, they are like strangers to me, as if they don't want to notice me. I look around thinking "maybe there's someone you know from Lifeline?" but there wasn't. The weather is odd but fascinating, feels well but unreal; as if there had been a shower, foggy, sun about to shine again but no it just stays like it is, it's warm.
I walk into the building to my left, inside it, I can see the people standing outside through a large window. There is a cassette player, I put a cassette in it, it's one of my own, and started it. It was a kind of rhythm, I wonder what that is, a drummer and/or percussionist doing a smooth rhythm. Is it a recording of my band? Don't know. I walked to the door and was kinda shocked, because my tape sounds are signaled to outside speakers too so the people there could hear it! I'm embarrassed, this really is not the appropriate sound here! The head of the TMI had come to the room with the cassette player so she will stop that now. But no, she stands there close to the cassette player and is listening!
I'm walking deeper in the building to my travel bag, but it isn't there! I haven't brought it here, just one or two little backpacks! I am astonished and worried. How can that be that I travel spontaneous, without my bag, seemingly without caring much? On the other hand, it's a good thing if one can travel without carrying much things, and to be spontaneous like this. But one week without cloths for change? Hmm, I've got two shirts on, if I wear one day the one, the next day the other on my skin, if that would be allright? My English-German-English dictionary I have forgotten too...so it has to work without it, maybe I don't need it, well, ok, it's a challenge. Well, at least I want to save me a sleeping place upstairs. But strange, why is not anybody telling me what to do, where to go? No one cares. That's no good, I feel so alone, lost, and the other people, they all seem to know what's up, they all seem so certain and confident. I guess the TMI people think we know all from our last visit?!



Of course I thought about what that all could mean, but I just don't post it yet, hoping to get some thoughts from you, not influenced by my own thoughts.

Spooky

Hi Alysia, what a warm answer! You made a positive turn about it and that's what it should be. Thanks for your nice words, it's helpful, yes, confusion, most of the time there is so much inner change and/or wondering, it just may be a bit much, but hey I want it all and I want it now ! Ok I wait a bit and will post some thoughts about it later.
Yes, I prefer green tea, black tea, camomille infusion and black coffee (sorry no latte!), and dragons bringing fresh french bread!

Spooky

Hi Spooky,

I don't keep up with all of the posts, but I always like and gain from reading yours!
I think both dreams are about personal growth, adjustments you are making as you are moving between the old familiar you and the new unknown you...

My thoughts make for a long post, but I like to walk through a dream and look at it step by step, which for me, helps bring the dream into focus. Of course, these thoughts may not apply to you...I look at it as if  it were my dream, how I am  used to dreaming. My comments are in brackets.

1. September 15/16, 2005:
I know I am at TMI. There are people I do not know. They do something, running in a row, now they're gone and I'm alone and don't know what to do nor what they're doing.

     [A place for exploration, yet perhaps you do not feel quite "at home" , as there are strangers who are connected somehow, but separate from you?]

Inside the building (couldn't make out similarities to Nancy Penn Center):  Dark corridors, theres much old stuff, furniture and I don't know what, dusty, not frequented, unused for a long time it seems. "Good place for ghosts" I'm thinking. Don't know what I#m doing here, alone.

     [Moving within, exploring consciousness?, it is dark, neglected, represents something "unknown" perhaps? A good place for ghosts, for meeting nonphysical people (of course, it IS TMI). This reference to unknown people could connect with the people you first saw, who were connected in some way but unknown to you.]

Then I was outside the building, close to it's wall, there was a thick vegetation, these plants were very green and looked like good-growing, the outline of their leafs were like fern, but not feathered. I start to walk away from the building but this plants hold me back! The got close together, they stick to my trousers as if they have burrs! I tried to get a way along the wall of the building, there has to be a path. But the same thing, the plants hold me back at my legs!

     [Growth? Something holding you back here, connections, tied down, struggling. Can't seem to progress past this area of unknown existence, unknown meaning ghosts and neglected area.]

I remember my techniques of my mind-journeys, radiate and imagine that I will do it. Slowly and with difficulty I walk along the wall until I finally leave this "jungle" behind me.

     [You use your skills and knowledge to progress.]

In the building again. There are many sleeping-mats rolled out on the floor, but I have none, I haven't taken my own one with me. My travelbag is empty. How strange! How can that be? I have come here with airplane such quick, without packing my things together for travel? This is not the way I am!

     [Questioning your abilities perhaps? You don't have what you think you should. You feel unprepared? This is totally new for you, not what you are used to in relation to your self, to feel unprepared.]

But it isn't a week, it's only two or three days. I remember someone led me to this sleeping-place. There must be a blanket for me somewhere I can use.

     [Ah, but you will be ok, this is not a big change (brief time, not a whole week), as someone helped you, you have connections with others, helpers, you are not alone, and what you need is simple (symbolized by a blanket) and is available when you need it.]

Meanwhile the other people are still doing something together I don't know about. I always miss something, and I don't know why that is!

     [Repeated image of unknown people, unknown activities, within sight, but you feel separate from in some way.]

Because I have done some things which are not allowed or not appreciated, I advices me a new sleeping place, where it's cold and windy, and someone of the institute is going to sleep there too so he can have a look at me. It drives me to dispair that I just don't know what I might have done wrong, if I only knew! No one cares about me. No one tells me what I'm doing wrong or why I don't get what to do and why I'm not into it what the others do. I just feel treated like a unloved, dumb child.
It's in the evening, I climb up a tree very near the building. It's pretty high. I can see the other people right down, they're sitting together, lampions are glowing. I wonder if they find it amazing that I climbed so high. They are there, below. I don't know if they notice me.

     [This part is previewed by your moving into the dark dusty building earlier? Looking within, your doubts hinder you? You feel observed and judged, yet not guided like you need. It is evening, perhaps you are almost done with this phase, as you CLIMB up, pretty high, you are actually above others, so you have a new higher perspective, and there are lights now. This is important, like growth, like moving above what was once a problem. Others may not notice you, they may have a different focus or development.]


2. April 11/12 2006 [I woke up early, wanted to fall asleep again but couldn't until I had made some notes about this dream]:
I am at the TMI for Exploration 27. It is definitely not the Nancy Penn Center. To my left is a low building, to my right a garden and/or park to walk around, in the middle, where I am standing, is a pavemented place for conversation, barbeque or something like that.

     [You stand between stability / structure (the low building) and growth / exploration / discovery (the garden or park). Note that the building is "low", not much there in that direction. In the middle, where you are, is a community gathering place. Perhaps you are moving from left to right, from something stable and unmoving, ...moving outward, into the open, heading for growth by way of a community place. Could be predicting your participation in the forum.]

People standing around, they are like strangers to me, as if they don't want to notice me. I look around thinking "maybe there's someone you know from Lifeline?" but there wasn't. The weather is odd but fascinating, feels well but unreal; as if there had been a shower, foggy, sun about to shine again but no it just stays like it is, it's warm.

     [More unknown people, you feel separate from, you feel shut out. The weather, the sun is there but doesn't quite shine. (which is like people being there and not noticing you, like being in a building that is dusty, like being outside looking in.)]

I walk into the building to my left, inside it, I can see the people standing outside through a large window.

     [ You move within, moving left, toward a more structured way of thinking (left brain, as opposed to right brain & intuition, which is the garden/park).]

There is a cassette player, I put a cassette in it, it's one of my own, and started it.  It was a kind of rhythm, I wonder what that is, a drummer and/or percussionist doing a smooth rhythm. Is it a recording of my band? Don't know.

     [You consider your music, it is familiar (smooth rhythm) yet something about it is unknown. Similar to the theme of these dreams, a mix of known and unknown.]

I walked to the door and was kinda shocked, because my tape sounds are signaled to outside speakers too so the people there could hear it! I'm embarrassed, this really is not the appropriate sound here! The head of the TMI had come to the room with the cassette player so she will stop that now.

     [ You are concerned about making noise, disturbing others with your music. Music is sounds of the soul, this is YOU, music flows,]

But no, she stands there close to the cassette player and is listening!

     [YES! Your song/music/perspective IS important!!!!]

I'm walking deeper in the building to my travel bag, but it isn't there! I haven't brought it here, just one or two little backpacks! I am astonished and worried.

     [ again, concerns about not being prepared, not having what it takes.]

How can that be that I travel spontaneous, without my bag, seemingly without caring much?

     [ spontaneous...like a plant growing lushly, like a garden?]

On the other hand, it's a good thing if one can travel without carrying much things, and to be spontaneous like this. But one week without cloths for change?

     [Traveling light, not weight down by baggage. Baggage could be anything you don't need, ideas or beliefs that don't serve you.

Hmm, I've got two shirts on, if I wear one day the one, the next day the other on my skin, if that would be allright? My English-German-English dictionary I have forgotten too...so it has to work without it, maybe I don't need it, well, ok, it's a challenge. Well, at least I want to save me a sleeping place upstairs. But strange, why is not anybody telling me what to do, where to go? No one cares. That's no good, I feel so alone, lost, and the other people, they all seem to know what's up, they all seem so certain and confident. I guess the TMI people think we know all from our last visit?!

     [You are discovering that you will be ok, you have what  you need at the moment. You are still concerned about future unknowns (where will you sleep), and hoping others will give you the answers you need. But...you have just told your self that you will have what you need when you need it, so are in some confusion (slight fog, yet some sun) about this. This, to me, is a repeat of the image of you standing between the structure on the left (predictability, straight lines, solid structure) and the garden on the right (change, unknowns, growth, life, not restricted, open to the air and sky), you are somewhere between the two.]

Love, Carolyn

Hi Alysia,
yes it's a cool TMI trip, funny though insightful too. It remembers me of a method of self-and dream analysis I invented when I was a teen (well I'm sure that it has already existed) to imagine one is a kingdom with all what a kingdom is about: People, landscape, animals etc...and to see all these things as parts of yourself. It may then get more transparent for oneself who one really is, a method of reflecting. In dreams one can try this too, to see all people in a dream as parts or reflections of yourself. What groups are there? What does the landscape stand for? What is the "me" in the dream? Etc etc.

Regarding the heart chakra: Funny I found just in the last days that it is my heart chakra which would need to be more opened! I even had a visual of an angel coming with a key and unlocked my heart! So yours is pretty active; well but there really was no need for a test we already knew that ha ha!

Hi PA,
thank you very much, yes you got the feeling; well yes, lonely...can't be lonely getting such a response. A picnic yes, with you? No more lonely!
(btw you know Radiohead?)
Thanks again PA, hmm, you fly around sometimes like an angel and unlocking hearts?


Hi Carolyn,
yes I resonate with your comments. Thank you!

>>>strangers who are connected somehow, but separate from you?<<<
Yes, that is. You see, THEY are connected to each other, so I feel even more disconnected to them, due to the fact that they were in the group together, I alone. That isn't the way it should be!

>>>dark, neglected, represents something "unknown"<<< Yes very probably...now I get the idea it also could be unused stuff of my past where ghosts are spooking around and I have to clean up- yeah, maybe it's true, nomen est omen...

>>>Can't seem to progress past this area of unknown existence<<< A border perhaps; oh it may be a sign of my body (plants=vegetative as opposed to conciously) not to overspeed.

>>>You use your skills and knowledge to progress<<< indeed, my turn on that also. The one and only time I used it in a dream.

>>>You feel unprepared<<< Oh yes, lack of self-confidence, anxiety.

>>>It is evening, perhaps you are almost done with this phase, as you CLIMB up<<< aha, yes, that's quite a possibility, to think of phases, periods; from that dark cave like room up in the tree.

Your thought about this left-right scheme are interesting, I turned left to the building, would be like I felt not to be able to communicate with the others and instead go to the safety of the technical, but it is low, there is not much to discover and to get, it's like a shield, and I use technical things for communication instead of doing it directly. The pavemented place is the near aim, the garden the far, yes "back to the garden"- but first the work-uhh.

>>>the sun is there but doesn't quite shine<<< an in-between-state, the weather is holding breath, it's not bad, but it's like a pause, a timeout, yes it felt like Focus 15, and something is going to happen, but don't know when.

>>>YES! Your song/music/perspective IS important!!!!<<<

Yes, baggage and needless or hindering beliefs, that relates.

>>>so are in some confusion (slight fog, yet some sun) about this<<< Yes, pondering what shall I do? Is it right? Have I all I need? Exactly, in between, call it my home, hope it's becoming better!

Thanks Carolyn!

Spooky, just a couple more comments if I may about your dreams for your to consider.

we share music in common; I forgot what instrument you play? I play a little guitar, but the human voice instrument is my favorite. so ok, music is directly related to rythym, so if u are a percussionist or any kind of musician you have to stay "in beat." its like your number of vibrations that your soul is beating at. well sounds good so far. so the idea I'm trying to get across is music is very much communing and it's in our soul as we communicate to others, even if we don't bring our instuments, its what is at our core being. and in the dream u did not see the intrinsic value of your music although maybe you would like to see it that way. of course this is my perspective, as I've decided to start playing music again! weeeehoooo!!!! so never mind me. it is showing that you have a rythym to your development in the dream, first you are on the downbeat leading up to now the bridge, then to the harmony part, then it's being played so others can hear it, because every musician loves an audience; does not mean they have too much ego! ha ha!

then another idea. you are jumping up high. you can fly, so why not? but my pov, its a level of mind you can observe a different viewing point if you fly a little higher, take it all in better; a birds eye view. does not mean u are a smarty pants! ha ha! you are pretty humble guy..saw you as a monk awhile back, these  religious lives carry over a little, where we are always guilty of something, even if we can't remember what exactly! i have a nun in my disc memory; believe me, she not let me have much fun, but I somehow got her off my back as time went on.
ok, I've probably lost some friends by divulging that. well, too late! ha ha!

and those sticky weeds, u r going beyond your obstackles to break free. you are doing better than me, as I had a dream of a sticky belief system on my lip and it wouldn't come off. it was supposed to just come off by itself according to my fine philosophy..hee...well, it took about 2 years to finally understand that dream and just how sticky a belief can be; actually it was a conflicting beliefs. I believed two things and it makes you uncomfortable to believe two things at the same time. finally, you can see you can believe both sides of the question but choose to go with your choice.

hugs, alysia

Hi Spooky!   

Many times, I don't take time to read as much as I'd like on the forums, so a lot of time goes by before I get caught up on my reading.  So here I am now.

I'd just like to add, Spooky, that I've always enjoyed reading your posts because they are completely full of insight.  You definitely are not a rambler, you get right down to business and offer us a lot of good reading!  (I recently PM'd you saying the same thing didn't I?  I had felt the need, for some reason, to make a point to let you know I appreciate your posts!!)

Thanks for sharing these two dreams!  And I like all the interps everyone has to add.

Love, Vicky

Hi Vicky! Thanks for your kind words!

Hi recoverer,
yes it's worth to think about other ways of meditation or traveling. And yes, it fits with my dreams.

I've established or discovered some places/states that are not part of the TMI system, I use the TMI system for quick relaxation and phasing now, the HemiSync recordings I listen not often now, once you get the trick, you can do it on your own.

New ways for me would be for example to turn the imagination down and get quiet, a thing I'm not very good in, so there's a potential, and like you mentioned, to pay more attention at Kundalini and the Chakras. I can do some things with my 3rd eye region, bodily sensations and visual patterns would appear, but not more so far.
When I do my journeys, my solarplexus region can get very, well, narrow, or annoying, burning, this feeling remains usually the rest of the day. I have no clear knowledge about if a chakra is especially worked on by my guidance, but if I would guess, I'd say the crown chakra. Open, closed, flow in and out, or a spiraling feeling around it, or an additional chakra above the supposed position of the crown chakra I perceive.

Well, experimental state I'm in, I'm always, will ask my guidance for some hints about what is to come.
Thank you for your input!

Spooky

maybe both me and Spooky are the archtypal divine fool. don't want to take the conversation to me; but I'm interested Betson how many archtypes there are and assume you are reading tarot cards? maybe if you get time u could list them briefly.

I thought I was this type as I tend to travel with dogs, travel light, to mean I laff everything off after my wheels have ground it into nothing...
possibly we can change our archtypes in life, although this may take a long while.
like Spooky (are you traveling alone, I hate labels, but loner is the label.) I do by choice. this board is the only connection I have to others with higher thoughts than surviving, and the mighty dollar gain.

so I don't know, to me all of us are fools, all of us are divine at the same time. and the adventure continues! yeaaaahhaaaaa!!!
I meant to say fools, in that we believe in allusions and its so easy to do that in a belief system planet, you want to believe in the best of circumstances to happen, and yet if everything did happen exactly perfectly, I fail to see what we're here for in the first place if we can't drum up a surprise or a challenge for ourselves so we can be more than we think we are.

oh, see, I'm so greedy...I just focus on myself. Spooky I'm sorry!   those weeds and plants and growth in your way in your dream, it worried me at first. but then I saw you chopped your way through anyway, because I think it means you must be industrious to remove your obstackles, so then I didn't worry..because the growth is something normal on the earth plane, and I supposed that the dream went further to say you are the only gardener who can forge this path by trimming natural vegetation back; then the next person comes after you will not have to do that work. hmm. sounds good to me. I think you are a service oriented person too otherwise you would not share your dreams with us.

hugs and everyone have a good summer, unless you are in australia, I think it is winter there. alysia

hi Betson I was told by a person on another forum I was a divine joker in disguise. and I was that way, that I would try to trick people into receiving the light and it was fun for awhile, but I stopped doing it because even if for a good cause, I felt it was better to practice honesty. so I don't know for sure if I am a tricky person still.. ???

but don't have to stick to any labels I guess. and didn't want to put anyone on the defense for sure!

enjoying this conversation. Spooky, wherefore art thou? we discusseth thou!

hugs, alysia

this is like a PE, that Betson saw the Fool card and then so does Spooky. seems like more than coincidence!

yes, spooky, when i was being trained in a class once for development, we were supposed to use the first thought which came into our minds rather than the 2nd thoughts...and its so swift...you don't want to trust the first and swift answer, is the way I feel is a human mistrust of ourselves. but it worked..wow!

its almost like we feel we must struggle, work hard for the answers, for development, and that we will never be good enough, but what if this is just a belief system we have accepted?

I like to always try something new and maybe I like to crash. I don't know. there are some changes in the air, and I mean that for all of us.

hugs, alysia

I laid down and asked Guidance if it could contact spooky's Guidance about finding him a rewarding job.
The experience then felt more like what I thought was an OBE. When wind movement stopped I asked 'Is spooky there' and it said yes. I asked 'are you getting Guidance for him to find a job' and it said yes. I asked 'are you going to tell me what happened' and it said yes. I can't remember a sense of meeting anyone though. Then I fell asleep for about an hour.
As I woke up I saw the inside of a rock quarry or the ruins of Roman Coliseum?--more green and copper color tho than I'd expect. Viewpoint was low and looking across a maze of passageways to higher verticals on far side. (I've studied some art history and know there were mazes but this was more crowded feeling and more colorful than I'd expect.) Saltiness in the air--coastal ? Greece? ---Or just the canned tamales I'd had for lunch?    No people tho. I tried to go back but nothing happened. Done about 2 pm US, 6PM London.

What I'm getting just goes to show that Bruce is right when he says that OBEs are not as productive as his method because OBEs are still connected to lower focus levels thru the etheric cord/ body:
"Spooky is a colossal maze' or 'a colossal amazement.'
Those are good things, spooky--congratulations!   
But they do not show any insight on my part because we can already tell you are complex.
....and Spooky lives in Germany or perhaps Czek or Poland, but I think not Poland because I once mentioned Polish jazz and he did not remark.
Is this off-topic?  But to know the dreams we must know the dreamer too, tho, right?