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Apr 9th, 2006 at 10:28am
 
i saw a film based on a true story and this poor girl was possessed by 6 demons and 3.00am in the morning is when most demonic possession takes place because 3.00am is the demonic hour ,when the priest who was doing the exercisom said to the demons tell me who you are and each one said who they were and the last one said i am lucifer in the flesh it really unerved me i do believe in demonic possession especially now this poor girl said the holy mother spoke to her and said people on the earth will know that demons exist  the poor girl died in the end ,what does anyone else think deanna
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Reply #1 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 10:40am
 
Hi Deanna i seen it to and it is a true story . its called "The excorcisum of Emily Rose" God bless juditha
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Reply #2 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 12:06pm
 
Hi Juditha  Smiley Deanna ...

This is why we protect ourselves with White Light and not allow anyone or thing to take control of us. We are our own masters and our single minds belong to ourselves only.

These demonic possessions happen because a person allows it to happen to them - these demons are looking for a free ride for their own intentions; they do not know the Love of Christ.  The Love and Light of Christ will make them weak and dissolve into nothing leaving behind the True person - safe and comforted in the knowing of right and wrong.

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Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 10:20pm
 
When you grow up in the belief demons are powerful beings which can possess you then those phenomenas are for sure more likely to occur than when you grew up in trust and serenity. Catholic style demon possessions usually take place within groups of Catholics. That's a thing not to forget.

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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 12:55am
 
Hi Deanna-

I do past life work and I've never met a demon that I didn't like . . . after a while.  These are spiritual beings that are kinda stuck in the nearly earthbound regions.

Usually they are people who get side tripped into intense guilt, blame, fear, hatred or other strong negative emotions. They get involved with other spiritual beings who tell them, which is true, that they can remain intact so long as they can force people to manifest their life forces. The problem is that this is invasivem, creates undesirable karmic conditions, and generally helps nobody, including the frightened entity.

After questioning self-styled "demons", including one who presided over a conclave in Baja California where, I am told, infant sacrifices were made,  I've invariably discovered that they were people - some of them haven't been people for thousands of years, but they nevertheless once were like you and me.  At death they abandoned the usual trip into the Light as dangerous, either for fear of hell, or for fear of meeting others of their kind who would be hostile. Instead, they hung out bugging other people by exaggerating bad habits. That's about all that they can do, unless we go into panic mode and start doing wild things - that makes us easier to control.

The cases in which people die of demon-hosting seem to be confined to a very tiny percentage of cases in which people panicked, or other cases that begin in Hollywood or are propagated on the SciFi channel.

The key point to remember with demons is that they are generally terrified. Aside from that, they are simply lost souls. You can help them if you can send them into the Light. Bruce's books are an excellent place to start looking for tricks and techniques if you want to be a soul-saver.

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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 4:51am
 
Hi Dave

Your past-life work through hypnosis is very interesting and i am sure you know your work.  I have an interesting past-life regression (right word?) through hypnosis life story
of a person (written in a book) that i would like share; it shows that this work has enormous healing potential.  I must take it from the book though as i can't re-call it word by word off-hand.

It is venturing into mind control realms and the work of the hypnosis is a big responsiblity. Am i right to say this Dave?

Demons; we musnt confuse human spirits who are lost and confused with non-human entities who take on the form of humans.

There is a distinct difference here.  Non-human entities are further defined as 'creatures' that do exist in our universe but are not part of the human race.  These entities are 'tricksters' and do not have the purpose of helping mankind at all, they do not know love, nor do they want to.  They can leetch off people; a drug addict or an alcoholic person for example.

And there are entities that are formed from human thoughts.  The thought of a person, and if its a dark one, can make the thought become a reality
that will also hang around the etheric and feed of the thought that the person produces, like fear or greed or criminal thoughts and also substance abuse, for example.

The two might be connected or inter-linked though  the first non-human entities are part of the universe, its just a fact.  Whereas the thought entities can be made to disappear.

The reality thoughts of love can do no harm and blend in with nature.

What do you think Dave?
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Reply #6 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 10:09am
 
One thing i read somewhere that is good to keep in mind is the statement, "There is nothing in the universe to be afraid of". The previous posts here contain some excellent information, in my opinion, about what demonic possession is and how it can happen.  By excercising Love and remembering that love and fear cannot co-exist, you should have no worries about being possessed.

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Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 12:03pm
 
Deanne,

Before we get all worked up about "demonic possession"  let's talk about what a demon is.  The dictionary says:

demon: 1. an evil spirit; devil.  2. am evil passion or influence.  3. a person considered extremely wicked, evil or cruel.   Myth: a god

I've been actively exploring beyond physical reality since about 1991 and I have NEVER encountered anything or anyone truly worthy of fear.  Most of the beings I've encountered that come close to qualifying to any part of definition of demon fit the #3 part of the definition. 

These are just nonphysically living (dead) people who for one reason or another are behaving badly.  Most of them are just lost, confused and afraid after death and they need our help, retrieval.  Some, a very few I've encountered, were nasty peole when they were physically alive and they didn't change after they died.  Some of these, fewer yet, ones who know they've died, are terrified about what horrible punishment awaits them for things they did when physicallly alive, and they will do anything to avoid the fate they fear.  Some of these, fewer yet, will attempt to stay close to physical reality to avoid facing possible punishment.  Some of these, fewer still,  find a way to stay close to a vulnerable physically living human to avoid punishment.  These are the ones that Hollywood and horror fiction writers attempt to portray as "demons."  But, they are just people who are stuck and need our help to get unstuck.

So, what cause a physically living human to be vulnerable?  Several things can.  One big one:

Unfortunately, some religions teach a ridiculous set of beliefs about these stuck people, elevating them to the level of beings with powers beyond ordinary human capability to deal with them.  Face it, any con artist has "powers beyond ordinary human capability" until the con artist's tricks and methods are understood.  Lack of knowledge of the con makes us vulnerable to it, and some religions feed us beliefs that play right into the con artist's hands.  And that's all the very worst of the worst of these so called "demons" I've encountered are, con artists.  Once you know the con game the con artist is running,  and understand how it works, it is a simple matter to avoid being taken in.

One of the biggest cons these bozos run relies on the teachings of some religions.  If a religion teaches that "demons" are so powerful that we mere humans must rely on the intersession of God to defeat them, you can bet these bozos are on the lookout for members of that religion to latch on to and run the con game.  Because all the con artist spirit has to do is con that person into believing a demon is attacking or possessing them.  The beliefs taken on by the person from their religion dooms them to "demonic possession" when what is really going on is just a silly, stupid, easy to avoid and beat con game.

My opinion?  Demonic possession is just a lot of con artist crap that would be better dealt with through knowledge, understanding and compassion through the Art of Retrieval.

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Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 12:48pm
 
Hi Bruce, nice to meet you. Thank you for hosting this site where we can share our experiences and thoughts.

I hear what you say in your posting and it does make sense.  However, in my experiences i have meet non-human entities that do not fall under the 'con artist' catergory that you mentioned.

For example; i will be woken up with a horrific 'thing' sitting ontop of me (no its not my partner .. lol) jokes aside; it is a pale creature, half human, half animal, no hair, long nails, a tail, bloody mouth.  It sneers at me and the awful part is it as if it is trying to 'get inside me'. My normal and first reaction is to scream at it and it disappears.  This thing has appeared a few times.

Another ... my room will be fill of dark forms floating around, zooming in and out around me.

Another ... i will be woken, with an urgency, and a dark cloud will be over me.  Almost like a blanket its so thick, trying to smoother me, its hard to breathe and i can hardly move.

Another ... talking to a friends husband, who uses violence against her, after a massive fight they had.  Trying to calm him down and talk him through his actions.  A black form came out of his body and hit me on the face, no hands, it was a force. (i was left with a bruise on my check for weeks).  The husband stood up and walked into this black form; he punched into it; his knuckles on every hand was bleeding straight after and he said it was as if he hit a wall.

What further can i say? Besides i see this dark form, cloud, shapes over people most of the time.
I also see white light over people, unfortunately though, the darkness is more of a worry than the white light.

It sounds wierd, nasty and scary- i know .. which it is .. it is certainly not what i would choose to see or deal with.  I do not go looking for them, it comes to me.

These things definately do not possess me but they are reality in my life.

My experiences in this matter.  It is not possession though - and never will be.

When you say Art of Retrieval, what does that mean? 

Thanks Bruce
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Reply #11 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 12:58pm
 
Hi Bruce  Im learning from all the forums on the afterlife as well as being able to put my thoughts on the afterlife about the different subjects as well .Thanks Bruce for putting the afterlife  on here. God bless juditha
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Reply #12 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 12:59pm
 
I like what Dave and Bruce wrote.

Regarding the people who believe in satan based demons, if they really existed and were trying to carry out the agenda of satan, would they resort to stupid tactics like animal grunts and spitting?

Or would they be a lot smarter about it and do something that isn't so noticeable so they wouldn't be caught in the act of carrying out satan's agenda?

If an exorcist came along, why wouldn't a demon just play dead, or go away for a while, as oppossed to making their presence so noticeable?

The mind is a complicated thing. Would a spirit who is so dimwitted that it does stupid things like grunt like an animal, actually have the ability to do something as complicated as take over a person's mind?

On the other hand, there are these preachers and ministers etc. who like to control their flock through fear. I once saw this minister on TV. He supposedly exorcised over 200 demons over the past year. They showed a scene where flock members were pressing a Bible on top of a person's head. The impression I got is that if flock members got out of line, the minister would declare them possessed. This minister seemed very cold, unloving and controlling to me.

Remember the actress Vanity. I saw her on a talk show one day. She wore all black clothing and held a Bible. She talked about how she used to do all of these negative things, because demons controlled her, as oppossed to taking responsibility for her own actions. They showed her church. Once a week her minister would supposedly do demon disspossesion. The ceremony looked very Hollywoodish. It was obvious that she was brainwashed. She was possessed by her minister. Not by a demon.

Isn't it strange that there are churches where all sorts of demon possession occur, with a preacher at the helm who preaches such nonsense, and there are also churches where possession doesn't happen at all?

Psychologists reported that after the Exorcist came out the occurence of imagined possession went up significantly. Never underestimate the power of your mind to create unsavory delusions.

I agree there are earthbound spirits who grab onto people's energy, but they are too weak and confused to have any real impact. Plus they would be dependent on whatever tendencies a person already has going on.

The preachers who preach all that fearmonger stuff do people a lot of psychological harm. It would be good if they had a change of heart.

Regarding the myth of satan, not even the Bible has one viewpoint of what satan is. Here's a good article about satan.

http://www.geocities.com/shadowfaux.geo/satan.html

Some people believe that God created Satan so that in the end God can prove his superiority. Does this make sense?

Some people believe satan is a fallen angle who will some day end up in hell for all of eternity. Does it make sense that an angel who was created by God and knew about God's greatness would fall as bad as satan supposedly did? And God, as a being of infinite wisdom and love, would he sentence one of his children to the fires of hell for all of eternity?  And even if such a spirit did fall, would God allow him to do such harm to his other children?

Some people say satan is allowed to do so so he could test us. But isn't life complicated and difficult enough without such tests?

There are some portions of the Bible where satan simply means adversary of any kind, not the mythological character who hung out on the beach too long one day, without any sun tan lotion.

Regarding the true story beyond the movie the Exorcist, the source of what a lot people think demons look and act like, here's a good article on the story. It seems to me that there has been a lot of embelishment.



http://holtz.org/Library/Social%20Science/History/Atomic%20Age/Exorcist/The%20Ha...

Perhaps they should call the exorcist "How to act like a demon 101."

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Reply #13 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 1:06pm
 
I'd like to clear up a matter here as well.
honestly i'm feeling awkard and 'uncomfortable' talking about demons.

I talk about Love and Light and ... i also talk about demons.

I say to you that my life is full of Love for Christ; this is my Path.

It is not fair on people who do not think of 'demons' to have to read about it and it worries me.  These things are just minor irritants that are dealt with so swiftly and do not need to be dwelt upon with any fear.

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There are two possibilities. An earthbound spirit chose to look the way it did, in order to scare you. After all, would a spirit actually look like anything in particular? Spirits can create all kinds of images with their thought energy. 

Perhaps it was your own imagination. Often, when people go into the astral, they see projections of their own imagination.

Regarding the black form you saw, do you actually know enough about it to know if it was something other than an earthboud spirit? Regarding it's density, do you know enough about spirit matter to know if there could be an explanation other than an earthbound spirit somehow taking on a dense form.

The key thing is that you haven't been possessed.

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Hi Bruce, nice to meet you. Thank you for hosting this site where we can share our experiences and thoughts.

I hear what you say in your posting and it does make sense.  However, in my experiences i have meet non-human entities that do not fall under the 'con artist' catergory that you mentioned.

For example; i will be woken up with a horrific 'thing' sitting ontop of me (no its not my partner .. lol) jokes aside; it is a pale creature, half human, half animal, no hair, long nails, a tail, bloody mouth.  It sneers at me and the awful part is it as if it is trying to 'get inside me'. My normal and first reaction is to scream at it and it disappears.  This thing has appeared a few times.

Another ... my room will be fill of dark forms floating around, zooming in and out around me.

Another ... i will be woken, with an urgency, and a dark cloud will be over me.  Almost like a blanket its so thick, trying to smoother me, its hard to breathe and i can hardly move.

Another ... talking to a friends husband, who uses violence against her, after a massive fight they had.  Trying to calm him down and talk him through his actions.  A black form came out of his body and hit me on the face, no hands, it was a force. (i was left with a bruise on my check for weeks).  The husband stood up and walked into this black form; he punched into it; his knuckles on every hand was bleeding straight after and he said it was as if he hit a wall.

What further can i say? Besides i see this dark form, cloud, shapes over people most of the time.
I also see white light over people, unfortunately though, the darkness is more of a worry than the white light.

It sounds wierd, nasty and scary- i know .. which it is .. it is certainly not what i would choose to see or deal with.  I do not go looking for them, it comes to me.

These things definately do not possess me but they are reality in my life.

My experiences in this matter.  It is not possession though - and never will be.

When you say Art of Retrieval, what does that mean?  

Thanks Bruce
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