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Thanks so much, Bruce. This reply is so long overdue. Best Regards. Spice

Ps:  Dave, thanks for imput here but just to clear an issue.  i did not say my (seperated) husband was with me.  The reason for the partner joke was to fill the heart with laughter before discussing the matter.  I hoped this might have been realised without me spelling it out now. 

Is it possible that both Bruce and Berzerk are correct?  I am reading Bruce's third book right now and find his writing very believeable.  I also read a website with literally thousands of eyewitness accounts of interactions with ghosts (which would fall under Bruce and Bezerk's belief system).  Some of these interactions would be more catagoriezed as demonic.  Also the book that Berzerk mentions is very convincing as well - I've read it.  Maybe Bruce hasn't been to a lower level to see what is going on with demons?   Maybe his anti religious bias prevents him from experiencing things, that in his own belief system, are not real, but on some level actually are?

Admittedly I am a liberal Christian and am trying to see if these two  world systems can be syncronized.  I have a great deal of respect for Bruce's work, and would like to become a retriever as well within the next few months.  I am looking to find the truth, whatever that may be.

I think we are speaking of two different situations.

Bruce- He is talking about encountering evil entities when he is doing afterlife explorations. 

Berserk- He is referencing evil entities (demons) who are possessing physically alive people.

Bruce has had no trouble in getting rid of these beings.  But the documented cases of possession of people are quite different.  It's apples and oranges.

IMHO, trying to send PUL in the cases of the horrific examples written about by Malachi Martin would most likely be totally useless.

PA and Recoverer have excellent points, as does Berserk, and of course so does Bruce. But, In my rather immodest manner, permit me to suggest a different perspective - Doc will recognize this, perhaps -

If we begin our assumptions about the world with the statement that "everything is obdurate matter", meaning nuts, bolts, fireplugs and atomic fission, then we will have a lot of trouble when we try to understand what is involved in the experience of friendship, the nature of beauty, and why I enjoy baked tofu and limburger cheese. At best we get the image of a demented computer that has some very strange appurtenances.

Now, tentatively and without making a permanent committment to the idea,  let's try the initial assumption that reality is evoked by the internal processes of a common Mind, the Mind of God, Cosmic Consciousness, Infinte Mind of Brahman, or whatever you want to call it. Then we can imagine that we are thoughts moving through this Mind, and the manner in which our world appears is a common thought as well, all selected such that the Mind emits new souls at one end of the lifeline, and collects matured souls after their bodies fall off at the other end, which is the experience of the Light. Then in this case, all we need to do is to cite geometry and a few other systems of rules of interaction, and we can easily understand how some ideas interact with other ideas in rigidly defined ways, thus taking on the appearance of matter.

Still holding that tentative working hypothesis, consider a group of people who "feel as if they are haunted" by some spiritual lifeform. In a purely material world it is necessary to explain how that lifeform might exist, much less haunt them. In the world emitted by Mind, this is just another mental construct,. Further, the space into which the haunting spook emerges need not be identical with everyday 3-space. Instead, by sufficient agitation and effort, the hanted people can imagine a new space-time continuum in which their spook can take residence.

The 7-space continuum is the simplest. (Topologically, 7-space is the next higher eigensystem that is compatible with a dyadic meta-eigenset.) n fact, we can "see" int 7-space with nothing more than a little meditation (as well as whatever hallucinogenic stuff people are currently taking) and we can literally watch plants "unfold" as they slowly move their leaves and petals, while remaining still and motionless in 3-space.  To get to 7-space requires nothing more than allowing perception to extend to it. (Try THAT from a wholly material universe!) It is a sort of twist and shove routine to project a spook nto that space where it is just as capable of physical interaction as is any other extended object, except that its space, and thus its spatial existence, are limited by the number of people willing to project them. For Augie, this seems to have been a very limited number.

The ability to look into alternative twists in time and space seems to be an ability born into many of us, perhaps all of us, but resisted by most of us as "unrealistic". On the other hand, when you imagine a tropical paradise or anything else, there is projected a system of concepts that relate just like the sun, sand, palm trees and cold Corona by your recliner. Dreams are similarly convincing of their utter validity - until we wake.
I thus suggest that the ultimate explanation for all this is that they are mental constructs projecting through other mental constructs in a world that is first, an image in the Mind of God, and then projected through us, also images, it takes on qualities of reality that are coincidently "real".

Of course, this view suggests that there is no "ultimate reality", and that this world may be no more than a convenient dream this week. Next week may bring a different dream - hopefully one with no wars in it.

dave

Dave, your view on the world is simply the natural and obvious one to me. It's just a must that all starts with consciousness because all our experiences are nothing material, it's the other way round, through experience (or awareness, consciousness etc...) the physical is created, or let's say established in the first hand. In ancient times, so some reports say, there were crowds of people who saw the weirdest things. "Mass hallucination" or "hysteria" are the common comments on it; but they perceived it as they believed in the possibility of it, they allowed themselves to get in tune with some other facets of the world-space and set things up which are "impossible". We are such greater than the physical, we even might hold it in our hands.

Spooky