Hiya everyone,

I don't know how to start to explain this so I will just keep in simple and go straight into it.

Tonight (its 12:30am as I write this) I was just trying to get to sleep, felt really tired but couldn't drift off till about 1/2 an hour ago i guess when it all began.

I found myself experiencing a spontaneous OBE, I can't remember the first one, but all in all I must have had about 10 in quick succession all varying in length from 30 seconds to 2-3minutes.

I don't believe in good and evil, I have never had a problem before, maybe this isn't and just me making it up in my head? Ill share some on the OBE's i can remember.

I was in a lobby of a posh hotel, everywhere was good and everyone was walking aound in expensived dress, I saw one man to my left walkin away and there were two women in front of me and one on the main stairs. Thinking back it seemed like a set up? They all knew I was meant to be there watching, all playing their parts. I came out shortly.

The next one i was sitting down, I was in like a room full of people. They were all looking, facing towards my left so its like I'm sitting at the side of them looking at them. Each person had their own desks and it had a classroom feel. There was a older women standing up at the back. one girl from a desk walked and went through a door beside me which I didn't see but knew was there. For some reason I had to follow her, there was something in this room but I couldn't really move (which seemed natural at the time) and noticed myself staring at the older women at the back on the room not really thinking but trying to understand. Suddenly she turned her head and looked at me which shocked me (once again really quick, she knew I was there, but it seemed these people at the desks had no idea and it was just her in on me.) She gave me a wink then crawled under one of the desks through to where I was, then i was floating across to the door and I could see was her walking beside me looking ahead, the scene fades out.

I can't remember this one visually but music was blaring full out of my stereo, I came out and none was like expected.

Just wanted to add a quick note in here, after each little experience when I tried to come round or did I was paralysed, it took a lot of effort to make a part of my body move to get out. All the time while doing this I was trying to get dragged back into whatever was going on, the picture would start changing, losing focus, more sounds, voices would come in. I kept resisting and made it out each time.

Also like to mention everytime I went out, except for maybe a couple of times I would float up really far, quite fast and always feet first, I did enjoy this feeling.

Another one was I was lying in bed and heard my mum on the phone really loudly (like she was just outside me bedroom door) talking to my auntie. I can't remember what the conversion was.

I relised I could keep going in and out as much as I wanted here, i would return but never totally wake up so in a few seconds after i thought about what just happened i would feel a energy in the whole of my body come flooding in, also a very sligh state of being paralysed before I would be out.

I've got two more that I can remember and would like to share, probly the weirdest to me of the bunch so sorry for going on but wan't to get all I can down.

I relised like i said before i could keep going out so set my intention to meet my Grandad. I floated again but this time I was wrapped in my duvey. made me feel like I was a baby wrapped up and could only see the picture coming into view. It was like i was in space, that was the kinda background, and there was a big floating object just up there. It was a tunnel with like a circle platform on top. I floated through the tunnel, straighted up and landed on the circle platform. There was a guy there, not my grandad. He started talking to me, boasting about something, he was full of confidence and had a constant grin on him. I forgot what he said but as I left he called me Eric.

My last one was I came out and was lying in my bed like I was in physical. My TV was suddenly at the end of my bed and on. Watching the programme in was a chat host on there, (thinking back I would 80% say it was the guy who was meant to be my grandad. I asked whether I could communicate through the TV to my grandad (if he could appear on it) as I didn't want to travel anywhere. The image flickered but then suddenly 20 fists were flying out of me pretending to hit the TV. Ok i'll try to explain! I'm laying there and all i can see is a TV and it was like the matrix i guess where they punch really fast and you see about 5 firsts going.

Well this was non stop constantly could not stop it 20 fists flying pretending to hit the screen at such a speed they were a blur. I couldn't stop but tried to change what they did successfully. At one point I tired to get them to do this towards my face to see what it was like. Once again it changed and 20 fists or blurred were blocking out my vision! Then it was like a tunnel formed in the middle of the firsts (as they were still going) and bats flew out...

At this point I came out but was paralysed for about 2 minutes I would say. This time the pull to go back into this world was the strongest it was ever, it was chaotic and confusing as everything was going on, music, pictures, and there was also someone whispering prehaps, but sounded like hissing at me. In my mind I shouted stop a few times and very nearly shouted stop physically but decided against that idea.

What the hell is all that? It seemed very sinister to me and my feelings/impressions of it all were more bad than good. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't so much what was going on but the atmosphere, everything made it a strange place I din't really want to stay in.

I am under no influence of anything so this cannot explain anything. The only thing different is a bit of sleep deprivation from last night. But i slept during two of me breaks today at work and also for a hour and a half at home so nothing I haven't done before as those of you who know me know i find it hard to get to sleep sometimes and end up staying the whole night!

this has just confused me and worried my slightly what is going on? I hate to ask as I don't believe but could anything negative, something that wants to play with me be hanging around me? Also the struggles at the end were bad, after the last one i woke up i nearly just dropped there again alseep, it felt like I hadn't been asleep for weeks. I managed to sit at the side of my bed for a few minutes and my energy came back.

This is just really strange and wondering what your views are on this an if you have heard of anything like this before?

I'd really appreciate anything said, even just ideas and once again sorry for dragging on a bit, just wanted to put down everything i remember so i can remember it and you can see the full picture.

Cheers,

Ryan

Hi Ryan

gosh I'm glad you had more obes; I've been wondering and wondering when you'd post one again! this must be the first one that left u with negative feelings? from reading them all I do see some positive feelings however. I am just offering some off the top of my head thoughts to you so see if anything helps to sort it all out, then I'll tell u about my silly obe a day or so ago..it was funny.

u said:  must have had about 10 in quick succession.
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You seem to be practicing entering and exiting procedure with your astral body. from this thought I would say it won't be long before you establish being able to "stay out longer periods of time.
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u said: I don't believe in good and evil
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I don't either Ryan. I'd say continue with your beliefs in this, as a belief in evil has a way of outpicturing in those areas..so I'd say u are doing just fine.
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U said: They all knew I was meant to be there watching, all playing their parts.
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this is similar to the sort of scenes I encounter as well Ryan, and goes along with my Belief system that physical life is a movie and we all play our parts. the people we meet out there are most of time someone we know, either here or there. for example u and I have met in obe. that is because I think about u sometimes, and u think about me and so we are connected by our thoughts. and the same with u and Vicky. all those desks you saw reminds me of board members talking to each other, don't u think so? I'll bet it was Vicky crawling under her desk to you, sounds like something she would do!
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u said: when I tried to come round or did I was paralysed
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I have a theory with the paralization a common thing. when the astral is ajar from the physical, the command to move a part of the body is like a signal that gets sent to the brain, when the astral is slightly ajar from the body, this signal is not being relayed to the brain..so don't worry about it!
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U said: like she was just outside me bedroom door) talking to my auntie.
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this I believe is psychic overlay on the atmosphere of a previous phone call your mom made recently, which may have left emotional residue on the area it took place, I'm thinking right outside your bedroom door perhaps.
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U said: I asked whether I could communicate through the TV
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some of us believe, me too, spirit uses TV monitors to see other lives, situations, game plans, and these are in use on the other side. In a way, the human mind is a receptor picking up signals, so this doesn't surprise me in the least that your mind out there is looking for shortcuts, any way at all to make contact with your grandfather, the easiest way you can think of. I wouldn't know if the host of the show was in the running to be your grandfather. possibly.
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U said: 20 fists flying pretending to hit the screen
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hee. this is a little funny to me Ryan. It shows you really want to "bust through". u are thinking that the TV should deliver what you want perhaps. maybe a little patience is what u need, or maybe busting through might work.
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U said: It seemed very sinister to me and my feelings/impressions of it all were more bad than good.
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it's almost like you plugged into a grid thing whereby everything in your neighborhood that's going on, your picking up bits and pieces of, and naturally, not all of it is pleasant. if you didn't want to be there, I'd say it's ok to just move to a more congenial atmosphere but its up to you to imagine where that might be.
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U said: something that wants to play with me be hanging around me?
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like I said, you don't have to stay where it's uncomfortable. I've walked away from aspiring playmates out there many times. nothing can hurt you is the idea to get.
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U said: i find it hard to get to sleep sometimes and end up staying the whole night!
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I'm not going to tell you to get your rest because you'll do what u want anyway, lol, but one time I stayed up all night and I started hearing my neighbor talking across the street and the bugger was calling out my name. (turned out he wanted to date me, but he lost his chance, long story) so thats what I mean about hearing things we normally don't hear, especially when the body is deprived of rest, all your blinders are down. take care of yourself please.
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now for my little obe which usually consists of guides talking to me about the chapters in my book, seems like they all have something to say. the other night one said my personality was a female Dennis Quaid. now I'm really curious to watch Dennis...ha ha! why can't I be like Meryl Streep? whaaa!!! just kidding, it was really funny. thought I'd share.

good to hear from you again, as usual I have complete faith in Chilipepperflea to pull off the impossible. love ya, alysia

Hey everyone! Thanx for the replies!

Also like top say a special thankyou to you Alysia! You always have time to give me a full report and I love them, you have helped me so much from when i first stumbled on here, we must meet again!

Lol i liked the OBE! Reminded me also of a funny one I had at work of all places. I went to sleep and found myself OBE again. Coming out i found my awareness in pitch black, and I heard my thoughts like I was saying them in this awareness! It kinda went "Wow I must still be at work! Ok this is coming out loud can they hear me?" The second part there I thought but it came out in speech again so i was getting worried if I was actually speaking! Anyway I came round and must of looked at everyone strangly but they were all normal so guess I was ok that time!

Today I had a more positive view on it, I guess maybe being tired last night and just how the whole thing played out seemed weird, guess I assumed that was something bad just because I don't understand. I guess the cool thing is at the moment I am finding it hard to conciously project again and then every noun again its like I can just keep going in and out all night if I want too lol!

I agree with the longer periods of time thing, but I have previously been out for ages, only a couple of times. One time I was trying to make contact with the physical from the non-physical like I have read with Bruce. I decided to go to my Mum as she knows my interests, if only vaguely in this area. I felt unstable though so opted to walk to her workplace rather than fly! Anyway her work is a good 10 minutes away and I must of been there for about 10 minutes so was happy with that. I really agree though because recently my OBE's seem to fade after a couple of minutes so if this is what my oversoul?? is doing to help me train bring it on! and thankyou oversoul

That was interesting when you said it could of been Vicky, I can't remember a picture and didn't recognize her but I couldn't see two well, just remeber this women turning her head and two eyes staring back, like shock, so maybe she was shocked to finally meet? And yes climbing under the table sounds like Vicky lol!

That paralysing is weird, I have never experienced that before and found the only body part I could move this time was my hand so remembered that each time. It was weird, you actually can't move and have to focus on one body part, a hand is easier i guess to move that like a leg so thats probly why I went with that and make it move and suddenly you must align. Cheers for the explanation.

And I never thought about energy residue lying around ready to pick up on, see you helping me all the time! Next time I will put some paper and a pen beside my bed so I can write the conversation and ask my Mum whether it happened. That would blow me away if it did!

I think paitence as thats my downfall quite alot lol. It was like watching a movie though, thinking back it was pretty amazing seeing that. I always have weird experiences compared to what i read from other people, guess I'm just a unknown sucker for them lol.

I like the grid thing, next time i find myself in this place again I think i might stay and instead of focusing on the feeling, focus on what this energy is and see what I can do to help If i can?

You said about staying up, I don't understand it because I've experienced kind of the same thing. Its like more connected but your not. I seem to feel more energy out there but assume I'm just tired. Do you know why this is?

Well thanks so much for the replies and sorry to chuck a load of questions back of you, I feel like a sponge at the moment! I really hope I can learn to control when I go out because would love to for PE's that we do but It never happens but Im using the phasing technique you taugh me Alysia! So hopefully will make it next time.

Hey Caryn! Have you every been OBE? Its not a gift though, from what I've learnt anyone can do inlcuding me, ask me a couple of years back about this and I wouldn't believe ya! Took me a while to learn but I kept giving up, one day I turned round and said right, I know this is out there and Im coming to experience whether you like it or not and since then I have thankfully been able to experience quite a bit.

Cheers

Ryan

Hi Ryan  

Yes, training does come into it as well! We are never to young or old to learn anything  

Focus is good to concentrate your energies together to go where you would like to go.
Spiritual excercises are important in this regard.

An excercise, that i think is the basis of all the exercises, as it strengthens the Soul within the Spirit is:

Build an moving picture image in your mind.  It does not matter what the picture is; the picture is not important; the importance is the building of the picture.

The building of a picture is based on Feeling.

It is no good to look at a picture and say this is my picture.  This is not the picture you require.

Your picture is built from the feeling of your emotions.  This picture might take a while to build; it will not be an instantaneous picture; it will evolve with you on a daily basis as your feelings evolve and change according to what you feel, experience, hear, smell, taste and sense.  

Although our feelings should be more or less consistent without mood swings etc; our feelings are subjective and we should not be ruled by them.
Except for the Love of Christ ... lol

In your picture it is good to have symbolism for example;  

An Tree (might) represent Life to you.

You see the tree is an Oak tree, picture the tree. You liken the Oak tree to your wisdom. Feel the wood of the trunk it represent your scars and the dents you have experienced in your life, feel the solidness and the different textures of the wood.

The Oak tree is full of green leaves. See the leaves, feel the leaves.
The leaves represent rebirth to you. Feel the rebirth of nature, liken it to the rebirth of your day or your spiritual rebirth or the rebirth of an old feeling you once had.

See the acorns in the tree.  They represent your soul protected by the spirit.

You see the roots of the tree, this represents the stableness of your life. Feel how deep the roots go down into the earth, liken this to your thinking.

The leaves on the tree are blowing in the wind.  Feel the wind, feel the leaves and branches swaying, liken this to when you are feeling insecure.

A butterfly lands on the leaf and is not blown off although it is so fragile and the wind is so strong, liken this to a friend.

A man comes and cuts a branch from the tree.  Feel the pain and hurt.  See the empty space.  Feel the sorrow of the tree.

See the branch grow again, feel the joy of rebirth. Liken the new branch to a new chapter in your life.

Feel the Sun shining on the tree. Feel the warmth liken this to your love.  Feel the rain, liken this to your tears.  See how the rain makes the tree grow.



Ryan, the symbolism of the Tree is the symbolism of your Life.  Can you see how a moving picture image is built up based on your life experiences and feelings?

Any picture build may be used, the Tree is a good one to use.  And you can see how different it is from just looking at a picture, this picture of yours is You.  As said, it does not matter what the picture is build up upon - the tree does not overtake you, the tree is not the focal point. Your empathy with the tree is.

The focal point is the symbolisation of what is happening in your life each day.  The picture grows and changes with you.  

This exercise is very good for the soul; it is letting the soul express itself and making it become strong in this expression. This picture build is allowing the soul to come to the front of the normal cognective brain processes.

You might have already your picture that you are building before even reading this.

And although not directly related to your experiences of OBE's .. it is an start ...

This trains the spirit to enter higher worlds as its making it strong.  This is the training of this exercise.

I'll stop here and hope that i've explained it okay and i look forward to telling me what you think.

The exercise does go further but this picture building is the basis of going further and may take a while before the soul is at the front.

thanks for the opportunity Ryan

Well my OBE's .. lol ... gosh .. another time  

Love.

Caryn,

Your visualization technique is very creative and sounds like a great way to relax before doing any kind of spiritual work.  I will definitely have to try it.  I really like the imagery.  I know for myself that this type of mental relaxation is very helpful and something I need to remember to do more often!

   ARE SLEEP-INDUCED OBES MORE THAN MERE
    LUCID DREAMS?

Chilipepperflea, I think you are confusing lucid dreams about OBEs with genuiine OBEs.   I myself have experienced a few OBE dreams.  During the dreams and shortly after awakening, I was absolutely sure that I had just experienced a genuine OBE.  I had floated near the ceiling and gazed down at my sleeping body.  I had argued with a dream character that I was back in bed and that she was a mere figment of my imagination.  She seemed totally independent of my will and acted horrified by my claim.   Some of these dreams engaged my senses just as vividly as waking life.   But upon later reflection, I realized that these were just dreams.  For some of these dreams, this realization seemed more immediately apparent than for others.  For example, during my argument with a "dream lady" about his illusory status, I was ostensibly in Boston at high noon when in fact I was sleeping in Western New York in the small hours of the morning. 

The other night, I had another OBE dream similar to yours.  I floated around what seemed like a college campus and initially seemed to wow the "students" with my astral talents.   In this dream, I recalled my earlier dreams of astral flight and consoled myself with the thought that this time I was really flying in an OBE.   Upon awakening, I was amused to realize that it was just another lucid dream--this time reflecting on my earlier lucid dreams!

The incoherence and meaninglessness of your OBE dreams seems to weigh decisively against their genuineness.  Your reports remind me of some bogus OBEs described on the "Astralpulse" website.  One astral explorer claimed to enter the fictional worlds of writers through OBEs.  He even claimed to discover plot lines of works in progress that the author-acquaintance had not yet divulged.  This claim prompted me to ask myself: "If this is possible, then why not assume that all OBEs are just variants of lucid dreams spiced up by the ESP triggered by psi-conducive states?"  In this respect, New Agers are trapped in a dilemma.  If they insist that these fictional journeys were really OBEs, then they are unwittingly refuting the genuineness of their unverified astral contacts with loved ones.   The reasonable inference is that fact and fiction cannot be distinguished without unmistakable verifications.   On the other hand, if they rightly reject the authenticity of these fictional OBE-like experiences, they are in effect conceding how easy it is to be fooled and thus calling their OBEs into question on that score as well.

Additional grounds for skepticism are also provided by lab research on lucid dreams.  Keith Harary. a lab-tested OBE adept, alleges that, during an OBE, he floated above his body and noticed a bedroom candle still burning.  He put his "face" close to the candle and blew it out.  Upon awakening, he noticed that the candle had completely burned down.  He concluded that his OBE efforts had blown out a non-physical candle.  Stephen LaBerge, an expert on lucid dream research, rightly counters that the illusion of blowing out a physical candle shows that Harary was merely having a lucid dream.  LaBerge has had some OBE lucid dreams and dismisses sleep-induced OBEs as misunderstood lucid dreams.

Sleep-induced partnered exploration of the astral can be challenged in the same way.  Keith Harary had previously experienced the well-attested phenomenon of shared dreams.  Harary's co-dreamer later confirmed that the context of their shared dream was the same.  If such shared dreams do not qualify as OBEs, then the overlapping experiences claimed for partnered astral exploration may not demonstrate genuine exploration of astral dimensions. 

Even telepathic hits durng partnered exploration may have no probative value in demonstrating the reality of such dimensions.  Dream telepathy has been demonstrated in research conducted at the Maimonides Hospital in Brooklyn.  When the subjects were in REM sleep, someone in another room focused on an art reproduction and tried telepathically to transmit an image of the painting to the sleeper.  The sleeper was awakened for dream reports after each REM period.  Judges were later able to impressively match dream reports with the pictures projected during those dreams. 

LaBerge expresses 2 misgivings about claims that shared dreams constitute genuine astral travel:
(1) Closer analysis sometimes proves that these co-dreamers share identical dream plots, but differ significantly in their recollection of minor details.  This point intrigues me.  In reading about the partnered explorations in "Curiosity's Father", I was more impressed by the differences than the similarities.  (2) It has never been proven that these shared dreams were experienced at the same time during REM sleep.   If each co-dreamer experienced the "same" dream plot at different times, then the similarities should probably be ascribed to ESP rather than to an OBE.

Of course, Bruce Moen's method applies to waking consciousness and not all OBEs are sleep-induced.  This means that the scientific study of trance states is more appropriate in analyzing his method than sleep.  And of course, as Bruce keeps reminding us, there is no substitute for direct experience.  Hopefully, I just need an upgraded quality of direct waking experience of the astral realm.  So Chilipepperflea, I hope your dream adventures can serve as a foundation for a fully verified waking OBE.  But please recognize how reluctant New Agers are to acknowledge the confounding problem of mere lucid dreams about OBEs.

Don

Ryan,

Would you mind going into more detail about the feeling of going out of body in this experience, or describing the feeling of your conscious awareness?  You know what a technical person I am.  Some here might find it educational.  You seem to have a real knack at being technical as well. 

With the OBE at work, was this while you were napping?

I also have a comment about the paralyzation...I wonder if you could try to remind yourself that feeling paralyzed is a physical feeling so as to not concentrate on your body...then just tell yourself that the astral body doesn't need to feel this and perhaps you can draw the focus away from this paralyzing feeling? I don't know as I have not experienced that feeling. 

I am either instantly separated, which can lead to temporary "amnesia", sort of like feeling "where was I just a few seconds ago?" or I actually do feel the separation which thereby produces the "dual consciousness" feeling of being in two places at once.

Caryn,

If you do have some OBE's to share, please do!  Either here or on a new thread.  I like to encourage these discussions because I find it so helpful and encouraging to those who want to learn more about it. 

I've shared a few of my own here a while back...I may just have to re-tell some of my own stories just to get the conversations going again.  Ryan happens to be the main reason I got back into OBE's after so many years!  Thanks Ryan!

His enthusiam talking about them got me hooked and I couldn't help but get back into studying them again.  That's the main booster for me, is the desire to have them and then also to be talking about them or reading about them...and the next thing I know is I'm having OBE's again.

Well, I guess I will have to start my own thread about this, as I don't want to be blabbering here on Ryan's thread about my own stuff.  Will try and get to that after work tomorrow perhaps. 

As always Ryan, thanks for sharing your experiences with us!  You never fail to feed my enthusiam as well!

Love,
Vicky