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Visits from my son? Is it him?? Help!
Mar 26th, 2006 at 12:41am
 
Hi
I'm new to this web site. 
I need opionions and help-Please.
My son passed away Dec 03.  Everyday is still very difficult for me. 
When I go to bed at night and lay my head on the pillow, my bed, litterally starts to vibrate.  I usually spend time talking to my son, Joshua.  Sometimes I tell him about my day and sometimes I pray with him.  Right before my son passed away he proclaimed his love for God by tatooing "FAITH" down his arm.  I was horrified by the tatoo.  We had no idea God was going to call him home a month later.  He was 22 yrs old.
Anyway, 2 months after he passed I was awake and he verbally said "Mom, Mom, Mom??  I was awake.  I started screeming "come home-come home"  I didn't see him.  I flashed my flashlight and looked around the room.  Well, his entire image is embedded in the flashlight.  I'm not exactly sure how but it is-to the tee.  His beautiful eyes, hair and eyes-his entire face.  Well, I use this everynite to talk with him.
the problem is now that sometimes I have to talk with him for hours-literally.  He is in my covers and in my pillow.  He tickles your feet and legs.  He has even accidentally run through the covers and hit me in the jaw.  He plays with my hair, and because I use earplugs, he trys to pull them out or he just plays with my ears.
I got to thinking a few times that Josh is suppose to be in heaven.  How can he be in heaven during the day and wait for me to crawl in bed and need to talk every night.  This may sound unappreciative but I'm concerned about his soul and why would God let me have him every night.  Does every mother who has lost a child get to physically be with him every night??  This is why I began to think that maybe this isn't Josh.  Maybe it's a demon.  It is quite a circus in my room every night.  I'm scared that he's suppose to be in heaven.  Is he lonely, is he stuck.  When I ask him questions he doesn't repond.  When I talk he does listen though.  All movement stops.  He even lets me hear his heartbeat in the pillow.  It is so loud.  I just feel like he wants me to talk with him all night.  Is this right?  Is it a demon pretending to be my son.  This happens every night for the last year--every night without fail.  I lay my head down and the bed starts to vibrate.  My mom told me to tell him to go toward the light.  Well that was quite an ordeal.  I was crying and screaming.  I don't want to let him go and say goodbye.  It is a horrible feeling to have to do this.  Do I need him? Is he hear for a message to give me.  Is this healthy.  Is he scared and unhappy.  I don't know what to do.  Do you think Josh knows he's d---?  Josh died suddenly.  He was found by his roomate, sitting up watching tv and holding a bottle of soda.  It took 6 months for a best case sanerio cause of d----.  Josh was given 7 types of medications that cause respiratory depression.  His cause of d---- is due to toxicity.  I'm sure he was in such disbelief that he had to be shown his funeral by the angels.  In a twisted way I do believe that God did prepare him though? 
I don't want to really see him go.  Does he know this even though I tell him to go toward the light.  Of course any mother would find this very difficult to do.  Do I let him stay, do  I tell him he must go, and how would I do this??  Is it harming him-his soul.  Is God this kind to let me have JOsh every night.   Help Please!
Thank You
I'm very emotional with this all.
Thank You so much for listening to me
Shelly
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Re: Visits from my son? Is it him?? Help!
Reply #1 - Mar 26th, 2006 at 7:54am
 
Shelly,

If you get relaxed before bedtime, prayer and a strong will may determine if it is truly your son.  I would borrow a tip from my friend Dave on this board.  Take a glass of water, with only a small amount in it.  Hold it up, and make a promise to yourself.  State that as you go to sleep, you pray that only love and light will guide you.  That any negative influences will not be allowed to come in.  That you wish to communicate with Josh only.  That you look for divine help in stopping any interfering influences. 

Then drink the water.  Say to yourself "by drinking the water, this will come to pass when I go to sleep."  This combines your thought/wish with a physcial stimulus.  Then relax, and go to sleep.  Continue, when relaxed with your intention to speak with him only and that the divine will protect you from any interfering influence.

Our minds are wonderful, creative and powerful things.  We can be in control of many situations if we take control.  I would also say that you should already "know" if its him.  To me it sounds like a lot of bother on a nightly basis.  If you decide it is him, then you need to have a talk with him.  Bruce Moen's books and his instructions on this website on how to retrieve a spirit may be the most help I can think of. 

Best of luck to you,

Matthew
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Reply #2 - Mar 26th, 2006 at 3:12pm
 
Shelly,



I take seriously what Emanuel Swedenborg's astral explorations have revealed on this subject because of his many awesome verifications of his conversations with angels and other discarnate humans.  To see just how impressive these verifications can be, you might consult my Swedenborg thread currently on the bottom of p. 13.  My source for my present post is ES's classic book "Heaven and Hell" (= HH) from which I will now quote extensively:

"When we die, we are still alive and just as human as ever.  To convince me of this, [the Lord] has allowed me to talk with almost all the people I have ever met during their physical lives, with some for a few hours, with some for weeks and months, and some for years.  This was primarily so that I could be convinced and bear witness (437)."

"There are three states that we pass through after death before we arrive at either heaven or hell.  The first state is one of more outward concerns.  The second is one of more inward concerns, and the third is one of preparation.  We go through all three states in the world of spirits.  Some people do not go through these states, but are either raised into heaven or cast into hell immediately after their death (HH 491)."  

The "world of spirits" is a transitional state between the heavens and hells and seems to be the equivalent of Focus 25 and 26 in the Monroe-Moen nomenclature.  The highest level of the world of spirits seems to be the equivalent of Focus 27.  In biblical terms, the world of spirits embraces Hades (not to be confused with Hell) in its lower planes and Paradise, an old Persian term for "park", in its upper planes.  

THREE INITIAL STATES AFTER DEATH
The implications of what you are about to read implies that it may be advisable to pray that your son may be open to the transitional process in a spirit of flexibility and love.   You might also pray that he will soon realize the dangers of becoming earthbound.   If your psychic manifestations cease, this will probably mean that he has been advised of his need to begin his postmortem spiritual journey towards the heavens.

(1) OUR FIRST STATE AFTER DEATH

"We use the outward aspects of our spirit to adapt our bodies in the world--especially our faces, our speech, and behavior--to our interactions with other people.  The more inward aspects of our spirit are the ones proper to our intentions and consequent thought, which rarely show in faces, speech, and behavior.  We are trained from infancy to present ourselves as friendly, benevolent, and honest, and to conceal the thoughts of our own intentions.  As a result, of this habitual behavior, we scarely know our inner natures and pay no attention to them (HH 492)."

"Our first state after death is like our state in the world, since we are then similarly involved in outward concerns. We have similar faces, voices, and character; we lead similar moral and civic lives.  That is why it still seems to us as though we were in this world unless we notice things that are out of the ordinary (HH 493)."

Most NDEs are marvelous experiences.  But ES chillingly insists that the initial postmortem state is normally wonderful even for people who will ultimately find their way to a hell.  ES's mention of their trips to gorgeous gardens and parks in the first state recalls descriptions of Focus 27:

"Their friends...take them around to various places, into the company of different people.  They go to different cities, to gardens and parks, often to gorgeous ones because things like that appeal to the outward concerns they are involved in.  Many of them think they will make it into heaven because they led moral and civic lives in the world, not reflecting that both good and evil people lead similar outward lives (HH 495)."

ES adds that "the first state after death...rarely lasts more than a year for anyone (HH 498)."   This fits neatly with modern research on contacts received by the recently bereaved from deceased loved ones.  One study indicated that 50% of Americans and 48% of the British report convincing contacts with their deceased loved ones within the first year since their death.  After that, the number of such contacts dramatically dwindles. Making such contacts is much harder for those who have moved on from the world of spirits to a heaven or a hell.

(2) OUR SECOND STATE AFTER DEATH

"Our second state after death is called a state of our deeper interests because then we are given access to the deeper reaches of our minds, or of our intentions and thoughts, while the more outward interests that engaged us in the first state become dormant (HH 499)."  "We as spirits are brought...into the state of those deeper intentions and consequent thoughts we engaged in when we were left to ourselves in the world and our thinking was free and unfettered (502)."

At this stage we shed aspects of self that were shaped by social expectations, peer pressure, and the need to present an acceptable presenting self that can mask our inner self.  As a result, "people who were inwardly devoted to the good...then behave..more wisely than when they were living in the world...In contrast, people who were focused on evil...then behave more insanely then when they were in the world (HH 505)."  It now becomes impossible to act one way and inwardly be another.  The person pauses at this threshold world long enough to become one with her own nature.  

"Once people like this are in the second state, they are let back into the state of their more outward concerns for brief periods of time.  They then retain a memory of how they behaved when they were in the state of their more inward concerns.  Some of them are embarrassed and admit they were insane.  Some of them are not embarrassed at all.  Some of them resent the fact that they are not allowed to be in the state of their more outward concerns all the time, but they are shown what they would be like if they were continually in this state.  They would constantly be trying to do the same things covertly, misleading people of simple heart and faith with simulations of goodness, honesty, and fairness.  They would destroy themselves completely because eventually their outer natures would be ablaze with the same fire as their inner natures (HH  506)."

"The things they [evil people] had done and said in secret are now made public, too, because now,  since outward factors are not constraining them, they say the same things openly, and they keep trying to the same things without any fear for the reputations they had in the world...They [visually] look to angels and good spirits like the [evil] people they really are (HH 507)."

(3) OUR THIRD STATE AFTER DEATH

Our third state after death is one of instruction.  This state is for people who are entering heaven and becoming angels and not for people who are entering hell, because the latter cannot be taught
(HH 512)."  Their close-mindedness prevents them from sensing the vast heavenly world beyond the world of spirits.  "As a result, their second state... ends in their turning straight toward...the hellish community that is engaged in a love like their own."  The general intention of the hells is to ignore God and vault the interests of self above all others.  

Heaven is not just reserved for Christians.  On the one hand, ES casually mentions bishops he has encountered in hell.  On the other hand, humble and teachable agnostics who have lived the equivalent of a loving Christian life will then be "taught things like that God exists, that heaven and hell exist, that there is a life after death, that God is to be loved above all, and our neighbor as ourselves, and that we are to believe what is said in the Word because the Word is divine (HH 512)."  

Don
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Reply #3 - Mar 26th, 2006 at 10:05pm
 
Hi Shelly,
by your experience (and maybe already) you were brought to the belief (or the knowing) that contact to nonphysical entities is possible. So when you're dealing with the question if it's your son's spirit or something like a demon, you can also bring the idea of nonphysical helpers/angels to your mind. Then you might try to ask your helper or angel or, like some say, your higher self to assist you in this issue. Pretend it if you don't feel to be in contact with your helper. Then, with this help, offer the spirit which could be possibly your son the gate to the light, or the gate to the place he belongs to, in this state of physical death (yes, he got to know it if he doesn't know it already); and you then can also say in case if it's your son that he can visit you whenever he wants to, from his new home. I don't know if this is possible, but it's the best you can do as I see it. You might even try to have a look at where he is going to, at his new home. So maybe you could visit him there then.
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 6:00am
 
Shelly, i feel your sorrow and confusion.  May you be protected by the Love of Christ who will make you strong in overcoming this what has happened.

Your Son overdosed and is feeling confused as to where he is. The impression that it is demons coming to you is real; it is the - demon of the substances - that have become a reality and they have been set loose now with nowhere to settle.

The Angels are with your son helping him, dismissing the demons and settling your son into the beautiful realm of healing and light.

Say to the demons 'Go Away, get out of here, you are not welcome' say this in a loud voice - take no nonsense from them and they will dissolve.

You might think that you are saying this to your son but it is the demons hanging around your son.
It is part your son as well but your son needs your strength to help the Angels help him.

The Angels will be worried about you and need your help in saying to your son 'go now, go with the Angels, you are loved there as i am loved here'

Once you see/feel that your son is settling into his Spiritual home, the demons have been dissolved, and you are feeling Love coming to you as you are praying for Love and support.  Then you will be strong enough to discuss why this has happened.
Do not blame yourself, nothing happens without a reason.  

Heal and love yourself, be calm and strong.  Do not dwell on bad feelings as the demons use this.  Demons do not like Love so use Love, project Love in your environment and you will have Love sent straight back to you that will fill you with a sense of peace. Know that you are loved and do not worry about your son, smile and laugh when you think of him.  He is to be restored. You will see the True him again.

I project love and strength to you.
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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 6:16am
 
DocM, Berserk and spooky2, thanks for also helping Shelly. spooky2 - you said what i more or less said  Smiley but i feel you should wait about a year before trying to make contact with Josh, my thoughts.
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Reply #6 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 10:16am
 
Hey,

I like what people have said here but would also like to add,

I have read many times here love and fear cannot co-exsist and i do truly believe this so when this next happens just try sending love, just let it build up inside of you and imagine in projecting out everywhere and to your son, I like spookys idea as well of bringing a helper in, maybe once you have projected love and told any demons to go away if this is what you feel it may be.

Also don't feel sad you are asking for your son to be shown the light, this will help him greatly if he needs to, he will be able to grow and understand his situation if at all confused, but don't fear this will be the end of the contact, it may get better as he will be in a better place. He will always be able to visit you from where ever he is.

All the best,

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