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Indians are at one with spirit (Read 9643 times)
Bud_S
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Reply #15 - Mar 22nd, 2006 at 2:31pm
 
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I agree with you that american indians are certainly not innocent and did there fair share of evil deeds, and that people seem to like to idolise.. those who were out gunned and out fought, i think it makes for a more heroic story.. which is why more films and books are published backing the indians valiant struggle... and this eventually becomes engrained upon peoples minds.. and unless they intrested in the topic they wont go on to do anymore background research.

Im just saying, over in england we ar'nt taught much about indians at all... we are taught about ww1, ww2... and battles throughout the century's in england, while in america im sure your taught about vietnam and the civil war, and battles that happened on american soil.

if you wanna win another supporter to your cause, i would just give them access to the relative information to which your beliefs come from [especially to us foriegners].

craig


This is kind of tricky.  While I agree with Rob's assessment of the nature of the Native being really no different than any other culture (being both violent and spiritual), it's difficult to trust some of the history. 

Just as one can't trust all the history written by English about the Scots and vice versa, some Indian history is written by white guys.  And unfortunately, the Indian culture in general had a oral history tradition in stories and songs, not written like we know it, so the earlier stuff was written by white guys perhaps with their own agenda.  I'm sure there's lots of completely true stuff out there, but of course it will fall somewhere between peaceful harmless spiritual native and bloodthirsty killer savage.

Personally, I like to read things like the accounts of the vision quest, death ceremonies, and hunting stories.  What strikes a person is that the Indian has spirituality interwoven into more aspects of their daily lives than we do now.  They were in tune with nature and had respect for her.  They paid attention to things that we don't even see now, though they are still there.  This is how I took Juditha's original post, and I still consider the Native American Indian worth emulating in many of their spiritual attitudes and practices.

So, now for an Indian joke, many of you have probably heard before.

There came a time when an Indian boy was curious about how people get names.  He went to his father and said, "father, how do we get our names?"  His father said, "When a baby is born, I name the child after the first thing I see after the birth.  For instance, if I see a hawk flying over, I name the child 'Hawk Flying Over.'  If I see snow gently falling, I name the child 'Snow Gently Falling.'  But tell me Two Dogs F***ing, why are you so interested?"





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Reply #16 - Mar 22nd, 2006 at 2:44pm
 
lol bud, ive never heard that one.. thats one to remember though.

cheers
craig
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Reply #17 - Mar 29th, 2006 at 2:01pm
 
Hi There was a film made in the 70s called Soldier Blue . it was a true story about what the whit e man did to the indians. The soldiers attacked the indian tribes and they tied up indian squaws and cut there breasts off while they were still alive and they raped the squaws and then they put the children witrh the sqaws and shot them . they were just as cruel . they also took the land off the indians which they had no right to do then they made them go on to reservations , which took away all there rights to live the life they wanted to .


No wonder the indians turned voilent  and im not saying i agree with the way they went about it  because no two wrongs make a right. But  i can understand there argument . God bless juditha
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Reply #18 - Mar 30th, 2006 at 3:25am
 
Have all of you forgotten the Aztecs, Incas, and
the Mayans?

The other Indian tribes welcomed Cortez to Mexico
because of Aztec brutality.  They gave him an interpreter, Malinche, who became his mistress.  Cruel as the conquistadors were--they did not demand tributes of the youngest and most handsome for gruesome sacrificial rituals.

Tiemplo Mayor had an altar where, in Aztec times, one could see an unending line of of these victims going to die by having their hearts gouged out
by a priest wielding an obsidian knife.  Their
hearts were tossed into a cauldron filled, at all
times, with hearts newly hacked out.  The bodies
were tossed to the population for food with the
thighs reserved for the Aztec nobility.  Later, their
skullls were carefully arranged on the huge platform
of skulls.

Some of the most handsome were especially reserved to be skinned alive.  The Aztec priests
would dance around wearing these skins as a
special offering to the flower god of spring.

Yes, they did have huge botanical gardens dedica-
ted to discovering the medicinal uses of plants.
They believed in something called, "The Doctrine
of Signatures."  This means like to like or if a leaf
resembles a hand, use it to treat hand problems.

They found plants that were effective by doing
Nazi-like experiments on other, unwilling human
tributes from the other tribes.  It took 1000's of
lives to make a discovery this way.

In this month's issue of the Smithsonian magazine,
(March 2006), there is an article about a Mayan
ball game still played in remote Mexican villages.
There is fear that the game may vanish.  In Mayan
days if your team lost, you were all killled.

Or have you forgotten about the numerous cenotes
found all through the Mayan areas?  Remember,
they were used as places to sacrifice countless
women while also tossing in jade, silver, and gold
trinkets.  Also, if you examine the murals, which any tourist  may when visiting the Mayan temples still
standing, you will see depicted the slashing of the
male genitalia practiced by the Mayan aristocrats
as blood offerings to the gods.

Until recently, Mayan writing was not decipherable
so archeologists et al just made up a theory that
the Mayans were peace-loving astronomers.  Actually, we now know that the writing is
about endless war.  Three Rabbit killed etc., some
think that the reason that the Mayan empire collapsed so completely is that it was sapped from
within by the total, endless state of war.

As for the Incas, do not forget that they also
practiced human sacrifice.   They sacrificed CHILDREN!  These children seem to have been chosen from among the nobles for their beauty.

Many of their mummified remains have been recovered from the heights of the Andean mountains. Upon examining these remains, scientists have been able to determine that the
children were made to walk vast distances while
barefoot to the sites of their deaths.  When they
arrived, the backs of their heads were bashed in.
Then, in their lovely clothes, they were made into a
small bundle wrapped in the beautifully woven fabrics made by the Incas.  Their small bodies
were basically freeze-dried by the conditions of
the high mountains.

I would not be at all surprised if there were not
many needy souls lingering and needful of
retrieval in any of these areas.
   




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Reply #19 - Mar 30th, 2006 at 3:57am
 
The Spaniards were every bit as bad,
Vikingsgal. (Ever heard of the Inquisition..?)
So no, the Indians weren't the lovey-dovey
bunny huggers that some "historians" in
politically correct circles have made them out
to be. But the Europeans at the time were just
as bad, if not worse. (Actually, given that the
Spaniards were a more ADVANCED people than
the Indians (at least technologically) their
Catholic-rationalized savagery makes their conduct
more culpable than that of the Aztecs or the Incas,
IMHO. They DIDN'T have the excuse of being
"primitives." Unless you want to admit that to be
a serious Catholic is to be "primitive." But I'll save
that argument for another time.)

B-man
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Reply #20 - Mar 30th, 2006 at 4:26am
 
Hi Chumley,

My point wasn't about the Spanish per se but about
the fact that the other tribes of Mexico hated the
Aztecs for quite clear, and very understandable
causes.

Hope this clarifies what I may have inadequately
said.  My whole posting was meant to focus on  the Aztecs,the Mayans, and the Incans, not Europeans.
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Re: Indians are at one with spirit
Reply #21 - Mar 30th, 2006 at 10:52am
 
I agree with Bud. And thanks for the joke.

Rob
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Reply #22 - Mar 30th, 2006 at 5:25pm
 
Hi Bud S Good joke HA HA God bless juditha
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