It is interesting to me to see how many people post that they just didn't get to the crystal because they...fell asleep or whatever.

The goal is to go into an altered (relative to C1) state and have an experience and remember it and find out that it correlates with someone else's experience.

So there are about 4 places this process can break down. I think it might be useful to revisit what works for others and maybe what might else be tried. Since this is a group effort and its success depens on everyone, it seems reasonable to at least discuss this. Since when Bruce found he didn't achieve obe, he just invented another way to get experiences and info, it seems reasonable to discuss ways to find a new way to create this type of experience.

I just sort of gave up because I just fall asleep and don't recall anything. My experiences are random and unexpected and not under my 'control'. When I see some of the things posted here, I think I  am not alone.

I think it is important to recall the meeting at the crystal as part of the learning process. Maybe we all go there in our sleep, but it is important to remember it.

Maybe if there are a couple of people who know they are meeting there, they could agree to get together there and then find a third person and try to bring that person into the concious memory of the process. I know nobody wants to play favorites but once that third person is being concious, then there could be a fourth and a fifth and so forth.

I was thinking myself of trying the shamanic drumming (or at least Dave's dripping water on the aluminum pie plate) but I got hung up in worrying that the drumming takes one to a specific kind of place and I don't know if that's the same place the crystal is.

Using headphones makes my ears ring these days so I'm looking for something else.

Comments anyone?