"Rob-Roy your message is understood and taken seriously.  Beserk your knowledge of the bible is admirable and i am enjoying reading your postings under 'spitfires theological issues'.

Thanks.

"How can i justify my postings?"

If we didn't have any way of discerning truth from fiction, we would go through life constantly swayed, back and forth by anyone who is capable of convincing us of their truth. The academic approach is just one means of discerning truth, of several, and not an infallible one by any stretch of even the most creative imagination. History is replete with examples of academics who *knew* something was true, only to later proven wrong. I look at academics (science) as more a process of discovery and conversation rather than a guide to all truth.

"I cannot by academics that is true; i can tell you that the mistranslation of what Jesus said on the Cross and the statement that Jesus did not die for our sins is from the Osirian Scripts but these do not exist in any academic library and so i might as well be saying they are from Jupiter for that matter."

No, we can learn from anyone. Often we pass through one belief system after another before finally realizing that we have to discover things for ourselves, rather than allow someone or something else to decide for us what is true. Others can help, and often those others present a mix of truth and untruth, but the truth they do have can help us tremendously. The messy part is telling one from the other.

"Yes, the rest is my opinion.  i take full responsibilty for what i say and do not post such statements with blase for the sake of it.  God will be my Judge."

That's great, but what's behind what you say? Or rather, what's behind what you are repeating? For example, if, say, a graduate of the Monroe Institute's Lifeline program says she or he does soul retrievals, we can believe him or her or not. But the retriever will be quick to point out that the opportunity for proof is readily available. All one has to do is go to TMI, or use other recommended means, and begin the process of seeing for oneself. Although this is mostly subjective, it affords the skeptic the opportunity to repeat the experiences, thereby establishing truth or falsehood for her or himself.

When we read someone's script, we can believe it or not. I have beside me the Urantia Book. It's a hefty tome, full of very interesting things. It claims to be yet another revelation. I have no idea what to do with it. Interestingly, and not coincidentally I believe, I just opened it up (since I mentioned it to you) to a page with this passage:

"The accepted supreme value of the religionist may be base or even false, but it is nevertheless religious. A religion is genuine to just the extent that the value which is held to be supreme is truly a cosmic reality of genuine spiritual worth." (italics mine)

The key words here are truly, reality and spiritual. Putting these together, we may ask: "What is true spiritual reality?" The TMI grad would answer: "Go see spiritual reality for yourself. Doing that will help you turn beliefs into Knowns." Others have had other experiences that validate, for them, the spiritual knowledge and beliefs that they have.

We may be convinced that this or that book or scripture is the Truth. We may have genuine spiritual experiences while adhering to our beliefs, and the energy of others who believe as we do serves to reinforce and confirm for us the rightness of our path. And you and they would be almost right. Each scripture contains some or even a lot of truth. Spiritual experiences happen to people whether they adhere to a particular belief system of none at all. Often we open ourselves to more spiritual experience by doing spiritual things, no matter what they are. And the energy of our friends who sincerely believe they are helping us is good, positive, and endenders trust. The sum total of all this can be very convincing to someone adhering to a particular system of beliefs, who is unware that these experiences are all common to most people engaged in spiritual matters. The difficulty lies, for the genuine seeker, in determining what is truth in a book and what is not, and the true meaning and purpose behind the spirtual experiences that he or she has. Again, the TMI grad would say: "Go see for yourself."

The Christian bible, The Urantia Book, The Book of Mormon, The Koran, and others say very important things about Jesus. Which do we believe?

Along comes you, a sincere person, telling us about Osirian Script. Ok, what is that? Why should we believe it, or you who are representing it? Before answering those obvious and very important questions, you post conclusions, putting the proverbial horse before the cart.

Whatever is good and true in the Osiran Script is worth noting and sharing. The question there, though, is what is that, really?

And how are Afterlife exploration, soul retrievals, energetic healing, and other "New Age" practices "an extension of the Church preaching into this level of spiritualism."?

None of these practices are new, btw. They have been done for thousands of years, in all the major belief systems, in one form or another.

The answer to any challenge or question you may raise though, in the final analysis is: "Go see for yourself." Ultimately it's up to each of us to determine what is true and what isn't.

Rob

I never said God likes it when we do negative things. I just suggested he understands why, doesn't judge us, and loves us unconditionally.

Having an understanding of why people do the things they do, isn't contradictory to seeing the need to change. Sometimes this takes time.  Until we can truly put ourselves in the place of people who do wrong, we shouldn't throw stones at them. It is better to be thankful that at this point we're experiencing a life with more clarity than their life, and to do what we can to help them.

It isn't a matter of placing responsibility on either God or a person who does negative things. If souls are going to be given the opportunity to evolve in their own unique way, then you have to allow for the possibility that sometimes souls will have to go through some tough growing pains. The only other option is for God to treat us like a bunch of puppets.  It is hard to imagine him doing such a thing.





Quote:

augoeideian,

Three words:

Pure Unconditional Love: what me must have in ourselves before we can see others clearly. The more we have, the more clearly we see Reality, Truth, ourselves, and other people. This is the place to start, not at the circumference of an organization that would have no reality except for the people in it.

Two more:

Mother Theresa: someone who lived PUL. Oh, btw, since you seem to have forgotten about people like her: she was a CATHOLIC.

The churches are allowed to continue for a reason.

Enough said.


Rob

Pure unconditonal love, is a pure myth.

There is alwasy personal motive behind such acts.... always. wether that means, gaining brownie points with a higher power, or being a glory hog, theres always a motive.

Amen to that Rob.

Love, Mairlyn

Thanks Mair and Sasuke,

Sasuke,

You sound pretty wise to me yourself. You are waaay ahead of your peers, for sure.

Love,
Rob