For me, the material channeled by Hilarion through Jon Fox is standard counter-intuitive New Age dogma.  Still, I should at last summarize my objections to this material on historical grounds.

Jon Fox claims that "Hilarion was a priest in the Temple of Truth in Atlantis."  For me, an alleged past life in the highly advanced lost continent of Atlantis is a telltale sign that channeled material is bogus.  Most Classics scholars are rightly dismissive of such claims and view Atlantis as either a Platonic myth or as a small Mediterranean island that blew up.  After all, Plato himself claims that Greek city states crushed Atlantis in battle long before Greece was a major military power.

An even better sign of false channeling is the grandiosity of alleged past life identities as the most famous people: e. g. "He [Hilarion] was later known as St. Paul, the Apostle."   Hilarion's claim that, after his conversion, Paul "was blind...for about 3 years" is refuted by Paul's travel companion, Luke, who reports that Paul was only blind for 3 days (Acts 9:9).  Also bogus is Hilarion's claim that, as Paul, "he was in retirement in Arabia for about 3 years before he started to carry out his new mission."  Here Hilarion--or rather Jon Fox-- is confusing Paul's relatively brief stay in Arabia with the 3-year gap between his stay and Damascus and his first trip to Jerusalem (Galatians 1:17-18).

Equally implausible is Hilarion's claim: "Jesus had been incarnated in the past...as Moses and the one called Adam (who was a real man--the first one to die when the xenon was removed from the atmosphere.)."  The early church considers Jesus a prophet like Moses on the basis of Deuteronomy 18:18, not as Moses himself.  Hilarion's claim that Adam was literally the first man is also absurd.  So is his claim that Jesus was also Apollonius of Tyana (2-98 AD), a bizarre claim given that both men lived at the same time.   I have elsewhere discussed the logical incoherence of the New Age notion of parallel incarnations.  To top it off, Hilarion makes an astounding reference to "important stops made in Japan" by Apollonius.  Philostratus's 2-volume "Life of Apollonius of Tyana" makes it clear that Apollonius never went to Japan.  For that matter, no one from the Mediterranean world went to Japan in late antiquity.

Hilarion reissues the New Age claim that "as a man, he [Jesus] had opportunities...even to take a wife.”  The ghetto mentality of New Agers prevents them from consulting modern biblical and historical scholarship on such matters.  The claim that Jesus was married is restricted to 2 forged Gnostic Gospels (the Gospel of Mary and the Gospel of Philip) whose historical claims are far too late to be taken seriously by the scholarly community.  In fact, Jesus' skeptical contemporaries dismissed him as illegitimate (Mark 6:3; John 8:41; and rabbinic parallels) and a bastard was not permitted to marry a Jewish girl in Jesus' day.  Besides, Jesus' mission as a constantly traveling prophet who expected imminent martyrdom would hardly be conducive to marriage.    

Kyo, you are a kind, articulate, and sincere truth seeker.  You have an appreciative following here and I hope you continue to post undaunted.  We can't please everyone!   But your reliance on Hilarion and your statements like (1)-(3) below mean that we are so different in what we deem conceivable that meaningful dialogue seems impossible.  

(1) Kyo: “The Greek gods on Mount Olympas were likewise extraterrestrials.”

(2)Kyo: “The entitites (the “Greys”) whose choices have resulted in a downward spiral.”

(3) Kyo: “For the less evolved or mature, then, it can reasonably be argued that an immature or misguided form of “feel good” is still the “right” action, insofar as the being concerned needs to explore negative karma.”  

Don

Greetings,
I expect that Berserk and Kyo have great respect here. I know they have mine.
However,
Berserk's fantastically extensive knowledge is mortal and therefore subject to updates as new substantiated information is accepted by scholars. Kyo's fantastically received messages come from beyond and therefore should be without flaw, and yet contain what we are reminded are historical discrepancies.   ??? 
Both sources then require some doubt that they are ultimate, worthy of our ultimate faith.  But we are all learning so much.  Thank you both!
bets

I know not yet of Hilariaon.  What I really like about Kyo's posts are that for a cohesive theosophy, he is the man.  He answers pointed hypotheticals as best he is able.  He has a positive unified outlook on consciousness and the universe.

The substance of Kyo's posts are what is important.  In all my back and forth with Kyo, his love and logic are quite consistent.  If Hilarion is real or  a fraud, the answers to these threads are what is most important in the discussions.


Matthew

Don,

I would also like to hear your opinion about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  So much of what Kyo writes is thoughtful, loving, consistent and positive.  If the IAC to which he belongs and other new age sources have a similar metaphysical doctrine, does it truly matter, if Hilarion was factually incorrect about those instances?  Assuming your critique correct, then we either have a true channeling with a fake entity, or a false channeling.  Does that necessarily invalidate the entire thought, explanation and doctrines?

I've often wondered about guides and helpers, how certain many people are that they have them.  But should it be proven that these were not present for everyone, would it necessarily invalidate other new age doctrine?


Matthew

There seems to be a well-worn formula that is used in material that is supposedly channeled by advanced spirit entities. 

The Hilarion material follows that formula.  The entity usually claims a past life as a well known or powerful person.  Seth claims he was a Pope in a former life.   The author of ACIM claims to be Jesus. The lost continent of Atlantis is also frequently mentioned in one way or the other.

Fact is, this is done to lend credibility to the material.  After all, if Hilarion (great name by the way!) had been a janitor or a garbage collector, what he has to say would be greeted with much less enthusiasm.  So it's essential that he and other "disincarnates" have impressive credentials.

Also, a careful reading of what these advanced entities report about the purpose of our earthly life will reveal vivid inconsistencies and in some cases outright contradictions.

It's interesting how people will dismiss the Bible with no problem, but will latch onto Seth or Elias or Hilarion with no hesitation regardless of the historical inaccuracies of what they say. 



Roger

Nice post Rob Roy:

I've been wanting to buy a new Bible (My version is small and hard to read). The problem is, I have no idea which version to purchase.

Do you know of a version that doesn't get carried away with the fire and brimstone interpretations?

Quote:

Recoverer,

THAT is a loaded question. I asked the same several years ago to someone who's a translater and he told me to learn Koine Greek and Hebrew and read in the original languages. So, I give you the same answer.

Having repeated the impractical to you, I'll now tell you what I have and why, and then I'll tell you who you should really ask.

The New American Standard Bible, Updated Edition, Foundation Publication, Inc, because it's a more literal translation.

The New Oxford Annotated Bible With Apocrypha, Oxford University Press, because it has all the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical books (according to Christians), including those used by the Eastern Orthodox that are not included in Catholic and Protestant cannons. In other words, it has just about everything in it. It is the New Revised Standard Edition.

The Orthodox Study Bible, New Testament and Psalms, Thomas Nelson Publishers, because the Orthodox Churches are the most mystical branch of Christianity and this bible contains lots of footnotes, and nice icon facsimilies. It's a "corrected" New King James Version.

The good old King James Version, because if it's poetic English.

The person to ask is Don.

Rob

P.S. Don posted his answer while I was typing this.

Don,

I overstated my case for a reason. The view or general attitude I was addressing is quite common, and in earlier times, when reinforced by orthodox religion and its politics, would have resulted in death for many of us. There are still those who would, if they had the power, burn the likes of me and others here at the stake. Even so discriminiation abounds. I was addressing those people, who undoubtably lurk here, and not just Rondele and the topic at hand.