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Each one of us has started its own progress track at a different point in time.  When a spirit evolutes enough it enters the human experience and it starts to become responsible for its acts. During its initial incarnation in the human “gender” its main focus is to develop the basic of a language and social rules.  As long as it grows it becomes more responsible for its acts. The reincarnation process is the law that provides a continuous track of development.

The acts a man practices along His incarnation will define his/her astral body status, any intentional damage at his/her self physical body will generate kind of an unbalance at his/her astral body. The fetus is developed by the parents “genetic material” and this material is assembled by the image of the astral body, if it is damaged by a previous reincarnation bad acts it won’t be able to generate a perfect body. The injuries (emotional/physical) that one cause intentionally at another will also generate an “energetic” trauma at the astral body of the agent of the “bad action”. It’s impossible to do any thing which means a bad action without some level of damage to our selves, because the energy stream starts deep inside our astral body and along it’s track towards the external world it passes along our selves. So if it is a bad energy it will cause us some damage, if is good energy it will make some kind of energy improvement, helping at first the one who is trying to help any other and only after that it will reach the target of the good action/desire.

The sum of our acts, feelings, and thoughts along our incarnation will give us a specific “energetic level, this energetic level will take us to the appropriate place at the astral word once our physical body dies.

All you know that are god places and bad places there.

We’re all monitored in order to check the best moment to a reincarnation in order to solve our wounds (mental/emotional/astral physical) as more developed a “soul” is more complex and detailed will be the procedures and planning to the next experience. In other hand as lower a “soul’s” evolution was more simple will be the questions involved on it.

The participation of a “soul” at it own reincarnation planning depends on its level of awareness and development. Some casa (very rare) the soul is totally able to define all details of its next incarnation without help.

There are reincarnation at all spiritual levels. The main difference is that at the boton level its is a very strong need and at the higher level its conscious self planed process. At the top it is an option.
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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2006 at 7:49pm
 
Thank you Kardec:

Interesting point regarding an advanced soul needing more planning. It makes sense to me, because such a soul is more likely to be in touch with guidance, have more energetic work done, and perhaps have more milestone moments.
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Reply #2 - Mar 8th, 2006 at 10:17pm
 
brilliant and an interesting read Kardec  Smiley
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Reply #3 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 5:56am
 
Well said Kardec, thanks for starting a topic on re-incarnation  Smiley

I agree with what you say and to add further;

The approximate, earth time, between reincarnations is four hundred years. This is counting is if someone is on a 'role out' plan and may vary however, it is not normally less.  Except in the unique cases as Kathy mentioned under the incarnation topic -

"consider the possibility that we also can incarnate within the same body during the same lifetime."

This has been known to happen in unique initiates -Comte de Saint-Germain comes to mind who was born in 1660 with records of still be around in 1800 ... as well as Bibical figures ...

Some may not choose to re-incarnate for much longer than four hundred years.

The spirit must reincarnate in the mortal flesh from time to time until it has gained sufficient knowledge of those things that must be learnt, before Earth can be left and that greater life of spiritual at-one-ment be approached in the higher material and spiritual spheres of cosmic creation.

For God requires us to come to Him willingly; to give willing service and this is why we have free-will to attain that state of perfection through our own individual experiences.

As Kardec said - there are different levels in the afterlife.  We can also call these realms, starting at realm one and advancing further.

Realm One - is the Earth realm, physical life in all its manifestations.

Realm Two - refers to the darker places, which are created by troubled souls who are attempting to deal with their problems and confusions. They are guided by angels and higher souls who lovingly take on this work.

Realm Three - is the first of the spirit realms of light and beauty, and most will come to this area after death.  This is the world of joy and beauty, here life goes on in a similar vein as it did on Earth, in a spiritual essence.  Their world is an apparently physical one, surrounded by breathtakingly beautiful objects, natural landscape, buildings and so on. Most souls identify themselves with their own body, even though they now understand they can alter their bodies to their own desires.

Naturally the changes from Earth life are dramatic, but the similarities are, too. The emotional tone of the realm is clear to everyone - its relates to the importance of helping others and taking joy in existence.  The sense of a loving God pervades everywhere.

During dwelling in the realm and between realms
the spirit comes back to earth for various reasons; mainly to strenghten their spirit; for soul progression in the realm/s. 

The first signs of soul progression is a growing disinterest in the apparently material world around them and this is an indication of the ability to go further.  There is too, an increasing joyfulness in the heart, a feeling that one will burst with happiness and in one's love for others.

Realm Four - here the spirit starts a joining of consciousness although maintaining an awareness of ones individuality, one starts to feel the deep love of being with other spirits - part of an entity.
At this stage the need for an appearance of a body disappears and the spirit is now 'dressed' in an etheric quality of light.

And further the Realms go with the same progression and enlightment. 

There is a process of applying to go back to realm one, which is aided together with our guides and our Oversoul. Our Oversoul dwells in a higher realm and fundamentally this process is to ultimately re-unite with our Oversoul.

The point in numbering and naming these realms is to clarify that travel between realms is not automatic.  In order to explore a higher realm, one must obtain training and a guide to lead the way.

All souls can go to a 'lower' realm at will - except from realm two to the physical world, realm one.
Going from Realm three to two often must be accompanied by a guide who helps them stay protected from degrading or unhappy experiences.

Individuals have the strength to rise above a lower realm as they please and this is done by coming back into the earth realm.  This realm physically changes the spirit in order to progress into further realms.

Taken from - Beyond the Veil - Judy Laddon

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'For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.  Though the root thereof wax old in the earth .. yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.'   The Book of Job.

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Reply #4 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 8:15am
 
Augoeideian


Thanks for the claricafication.


About the time between reincarnations it is not a “hard rule” due to the fact that in some circumstances the need of reincarnate can’t be delayed, it usually happens when a Soul has had a very disturbed lifetime as a suicide, for instance. The suicide arrives at the “realm two” in a very painful situation due to the injuries He/She has caused “voluntary” to them selves, so in this cases the best medicine is to reincarnate as soon as possible in order to rebuild some very important energy center that were deeply damaged and to alleviate the mind from the guilt feelings due to the natural lack of memorie about the last life time that is natural once reincarnated.

Of course it’s not only a method to heal suicides but several other cases of “soul” disturbs.

Of course a “soul” well balanced would spend some centuries before it get back to the “realm One” in order to let the physical plane to evolve enough. This way it would be able to provide new experiences to be tried.

It’s important to mention that at the non physical realms the “soul” (spirit) has the chance of gathering very important knowledge too. Of course it will provide better chances of success at a next lifetime.

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Reply #5 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 9:37am
 
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Thank you for your reply.  You are right we do acquire knowledge in the spiritual realms, I should imagine a different perspective on what we had original thought in the earth realm. Also, you are right that there is no hard rule for the timing of reincarnating.

Realm two does sound like a worrying realm (I understand it to be in the realm of Saturn, if I may add here that Saturn is the place where spirits go that want to start again .. from the beginning, this is one of the realms of Saturn)

I would like to think that the aim of humans right now is to get rid of this realm two!

An example of someone going to realm two would be:

A person that has totally disregard for human life and is still not learning the basic lesson of respecting life. This person is allowing himself to be used by malefic spirits.  This person is a murderer, for example.

When this person dies he will immediately find that he is in a cold, dark, ugly place - this surrounding is from his thought energies that have created his own afterdeath reality.

If he was particularly 'bad' he would find that he has become a creature, an animal that walks on four legs.  Again his own reality created by him.

Angels are there, talking to him a few home truths about himself and the Laws of Creation. He initially cowers and growls at them from a corner.  However, the light from the Angels and the Sun begin to penetrate his heart and slowly he starts to come out of the corner.

He starts to think to himself 'what have I done to deserve this' .. the Angels talk him through his past life and he begins to realise 'I shouldnt have done that and that' .. he begins to feel remorseful for his actions.

Upon this realisation he finds that the dark, drab surrounding is starting to get a bit of colour in it, he can even vaguely hear music in the distance.
It is getting warming, he feels the rays of the Sun.

And so the therapy begins with the Angels and through his understanding of the wrongness he has caused he eventually pulls himself up onto two legs and is transformed into a person.

His reality is now brighter and he wishes to go back to the person he murdered and say sorry and make ammends. 

He cannot live with himself, although his surroundings have improved his heart is heavy. He knows he has to do something about it.

With the Angels, the application is put in for a transfer to earth and when the time is right.  He comes back to earth and 'co-incidentially' saves the person he murdered from a drowning, for example.
Although this might take many incarnations before it happens and it might not happen.  He might save someone else from drowning or he might wish to come back as a paramedic who saves lives.

This is a hardbase value example of how a reincarnation works (from realm two .. the darkest of realms)

Kardec .. would you agree with what I have said?
It might sound like sci-fi fantasy to DocM and Spitfire ....  Smiley


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Reply #6 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 9:50am
 
Despite some Cultural diferences I agree 100% with your thought. Of course there are some "technical" details but they don't matter here.

We share very similar knowledge.

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Reply #7 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 10:14am
 
Thank you Kardec, it sounds like we do  Smiley

"Twas worth the furious gazing and the pains to see Heaven's beauty, beauty that seemed like God - God who was yet unknown, and the rich majesty of Night, who weaves her web with rapid light, though it be less than Sun's, and of the other mysteries in turn that move in Heaven, with ordered motions and with periods of times, with certain hidden influences bestowing order on the things below and co-increasing them"
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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 11:08am
 
Hi My nephew john is autistic . Hes 20 yrs old now . His world is strange all he keeps saying is he wants to go back in time . He is so fixed on this . If he hears the numbers 39 and 36 he crys and really gets upset . Iwas just wandering if he choose this life before he was born whats he exactly  well his spirit is trying to learn from this .He is very loving though and he loves you to show him love . Perhaps thats what hes here for to know real love . Just a thought . G od bless juditha
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Reply #9 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 10:15pm
 
On the nature of Re-incarnation (aka 'existential seriality') then, because for there have been various, diverse views expressed on the true nature of Re-incarnation, including on other threads on this forum, the following is my contribution to the discussion :


On how Reincarnation of the individual soul works, across the fabric of space and time; and how Karma is worked through (ie. the function of karma) in the process of Incarnation and Reincarnation :

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/WayOfKarma/index.htm



On how, as the soul evolves, it has greater participation in the planning of his/her own existential program (or 'life-script') for the upcoming lifetime - see "Retrocognitions" pg 60-87 :

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/IAC/index.htm
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Quote:
Hi My nephew john is autistic . Hes 20 yrs old now . His world is strange all he keeps saying is he wants to go back in time . He is so fixed on this . If he hears the numbers 39 and 36 he crys and really gets upset . Iwas just wandering if he choose this life before he was born whats he exactly  well his spirit is trying to learn from this. He is very loving though and he loves you to show him love. Perhaps thats what hes here for to know real love. Just a thought . God bless juditha



Dear Juditha,

Your intuitive understanding is beautifully accurate.

Hilarion on Autism :
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Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 4:48am
 
Very interesting Kyo, it makes sense to me.

The numbers are interesting 39=12=3; 36=9
is it concidence that it adds to 12?

Im thinking that because numbers, geometry is the crux of existence/creation; John is relating/resonanting to these/this number.

Words may be changed or forgotten but a number can never be.

Interesting Hilarion  Smiley says autism is connected with the etheric body, the spiritual body of memory and the transmitter of emotions.

The soul is meeting itself, in the earth realm, suggests that the etheric body could be over developed for the purpose of meeting itself.

John must be going through alot of internal/inward thinking/reflections that he cannot communicate out. These reflections need to be directed through the conscious mind in the matter/physical state.

Steiner could help here with his lectures on the make-up of the physical body.  Indeed the physical body is the biggest mystery.

Autism would be good to study in this regard to Karma and re-incarnation.

May John receive all the spiritual guidance, wisdom and love he needs for this path he is on.  I pray that he will come through this experience a wiser soul.  As indeed he has shown us that he is serious about his soul development.

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Juditha is very intuitive and I have the deepest respect for her  Smiley

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Reply #12 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 8:14am
 
Hilarion statements about Autism are very aligned with my experiences about such physical/spiritual desease.  Love is the best medicine here.

One incarnation like that can make great changes to a spirit look of the live.

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Hi Thanks for all your replys about john. Love and god bless you all . Juditha
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    ASTRAL MEMORY AND THE ILLUSION OF
    REINCARNATION

a. The Nature of Hidden Astral Memory Fusion:

Through years of astral exploration, Swedenborg discovered that the spirits who are with us can access everything in our memories.  This is not something they do consciously.  It comes to them automatically whenever they are with us.  They may even think that the memories are their own:

"Angels who talk with us do not talk in their own language...but in our own language, or in some other language with which we are acquainted.  This is so because when angels speak with us, they turn themselves to us and connect themselves with us.  This connection...causes the two to be in like thought since our thought stays with our memory, and this is the source of our speech...;  The angel enters the person's entire memory, so that the angel is scarcely conscious that he does not himself know whatever that person knows, including his languages ("Heaven and Hell" 246)."

Discarnate humans in the heavens (= angels) understood and agreed with Swedenborg about this process, but "spirits" or humans confined to "the World of Spirits" (= Focus 25-26) were unwilling to believe this because it would precipitate a belief system crash causing them to reject reincarnation.  Quoting "Heaven and Hell",

"When I also talked about this with spirits, they were unwilling to believe that it is the [other] person that speaks, insisting that they spoke in that person, also that his knowledge is their knowledge and not the person's knowledge, consequently that everything that person knows is from them.  I tried to convince them by many proofs that this is not true, but in vain (246)."

Why haven't R. Monroe, B. Moen, and R. Bruce been able to confirm Swedenborg's repudiation of the reincarnational perspective to which he was exposed in the World of Spirits?  In my view the answer probably lies in this simple fact: Unlike Swedenborg, Monroe, B. Moen, and R. Bruce have very limited experience in the 2 higher heavens.

b. The Elusive Law against Hidden Memory Fusion:

Under normal conditions, spirits and angels who are astrally connected with us can access our memories, but we cannot access theirs.  If we do, then we have memories of things we have never seen or heard and create the illusion of past reincarnations.  So it violates a spiritual law for a spirit or angel to speak to us from his own memory.
Swedenborg warns" I've been allowed to learn this from direct experience ("Heaven and Hell" 256)."

Swedenborg then explains that the false doctrine of reincarnation is prompted by spirits who violate this law during their hidden bonding with incarnate and discarnate humans.  Since these connecting spirits typically have a character and values similar to our own, it is likely that people who have false past life memories would see their own personality mirrored in these past lives.

The problem of enforcing this law against stealthy memory fusion needs further clarification.  But the operation of this law may explain the communication problems experienced by Robert Bruce during his attempts to converse with visitors to an astral Healing Center.  Let me illustrate this with 2 quotes from his Astralpulse website article entitled "Astral Rest and Recovery Areas":   

"Spirits I have spoken with in this situation do not seem to be aware of the length of time that has elapsed since they passed over, or of many details concerning their afterlife since that time.  Memories of their earthly life also seem vague, much like how a half-forgotten dream is remembered by a living person"

"Many spirits seem to be aware only of their present reality, that of being in the hospital scenario for an indeterminate length of time.  Some spirits, however, do have vague memories of their earthly life, and of coming from other dimensional areas, but have so far given me only very sketchy details.  Often they will speak of a warm, brightly-lit, interesting place where they have many friends and loved ones, but with little more detail than this.  The most common response I get from asking spirits what it's like where they come from is: `It's really lovely there and everyone is so nice.  I don't understand this,  I'm very sorry.  I know it well and can picture it in my head, but I just can't describe it to you."

The confusion and apology of these visiting spirits is probably due to the hidden operation of the law against memory fusion rather than to problems of differential vibration density caused by traveling among various astral planes.  Robert Bruce's belief system is very different from Swedenborg's.  So the coherence of RB's observations with Swedenborg's lends independent support to the truth of these Swedenborgian revelations.

Classic Channeling reveals one way discarnate spirits can circumvent the law against memory fusion.  The deceased F. W. H. Myers offers his solution: "I can build up a likeness of myself [and] send that likeness speeding...to a friend...in tune with me.  Instantly, I appear before that friend, though I am remote from him, and my likeness holds speech...with this friend (Paul Beard, 69)."

This sort of image projection via remote viewing may account for Robert Bruce's frustratingly superficial encounters with astral doctors and nurses: "The doctors and nurses that staff and run these astral hospitals do not seem to be real spirit beings... So far I have not been able to strike up anything resembling a meaningful conversation with any of them.  They seem to be very two-dimensional in nature."   

I suspect that there are other ways for advanced discarnates to conceal their memories during astral encounters with us.   Perhaps, there are various degrees of soul bonding that can only be mastered with advanced training.  Astral travelers sometimes come across their deceased loved ones with their backs turned.   Perhaps, this is one means of avoiding the outlawed memory fusion caused by fully "turning to us."  More research is needed to solve this question.

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