By the way Kyo, you have one of the most beautifully consistent ways of communicating your insights, and I'm not the only one here to notice it (Alyssia, Kathy...).


M

Dear Matthew,

Thank you again, for your kind words. IMHO, perhaps one of the relevant principles here, is that as with all skills or strengths, any and all individuals who dedicate their efforts towards cosmoethics and assistantiality (and every individual will find his/her own unique path and way of doing this), together with the willingness to work consciously with the guides & helpers, and all beings of higher vibration, in a collegial and collaborative respect, will have the option of choosing the extent by which their work will be supported, guided and merged closely, directly, and intimately with that of the guides & helpers themselves.

I am reminded of the IAC's iteration of this :   
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And so it is with everyone here, with your professional practice and personal work, and the work of everyone else here. Everyone is a lightworker contributing to All in his/her own unique way. However, for some of us, by choice and effort across existences/lifetimes, our work has become more specialized.

My personal line of work, at a soul level (ie. not limited to this lifetime), involves networking with all manners of guides & helpers, including assisting to bring across their ideas, messages and energies, in a little fashion, bridging across the planes physical and extraphysical, in this way. Part of this process involved what could be termed 'subconscious channeling' (as opposed to the 'superconscious' channeling of Jon C Fox, see Hilarion on the various Channeling methods). In 'subconscious channeling', or at least in my own case, it is really more of a telepathic sharing of awareness, perspectives and ideas, rather than 'channeling' per se.

Thus, in (many of) my posts, I may use the pronoun 'us', because oftentimes (depending of course, on the nature of the particular post), I am speaking for *both* myself and my extraphysical guide & helper colleagues, at least those who share the commonality of related perspectives, insights or ideas that I refer to in those posts.

Thus, the messages are at times 'multi-level' in nature, with inputs, sources or credits, more accurately being from various guides & helpers as well; really, it is a collaborative effort or direction, one that is available for *everyone* to choose for himself.

Thus, this being a role I have chosen, specializing it to a more conscious or greater extent (for if *everyone* with positive, helpful, loving intentions are by default, naturally and inaviodably working with the guides & helpers, then it would be a technical issue here of extent of this, of being conscious of the process, of willingness to participate and support the process), I find that this point (of conscious intention to work consciously with guides & helpers towards a common goal of assistantiality), is a powerful, helpful one to communicate to others, in and of itself.



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The key here, which is missing in the presumtion of the hypothetical scenario as conveyed in your initial post, is the factor of the guides & helpers, particularly the Evolutionary Orientors (what Michael Newton calls the 'Council of Elders') and other specialized helpers. This is in regard to the incarnating soul.

That is to say, whether the soul is conscientially immature or unevolved, is 'harmful and unrepentant', or a more evolved lightworker with the conscious intention to come into incarnation to assist; in both of these cases, be reminded of the crucial role of the Evolutionary Orientor, and other specialized guides & helpers that carefully plan the upcoming incarnation, taking into consideration all aspects of the soul's egokarma, groupkarma and polykarma.

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Models are only representative of the principles discussed in question. Both models, from a higher, more accurate perspective, are not mutually exclusive. That is to say, both are true.

Yes, souls are invariably drawn back to the physical plane in which they have tied their personal karma and evoluton to, in this case, we are speaking of the karmic jurisdiction we call "planet Earth".

This is the case until the individual soul (ie. higher self) evolves beyond the usefuless (ie. for him/her) or appropriateness of physical incarnation. For the vast majority of consciousnesses, this entails an evolution of the consciousness to what we call the Homo sapiens serenissimus or simply Serenissimus (meaning "The Serene Ones"), or also what has been called the Ascended Masters (they are called 'masters' because of their relative complete mastery of *themselves*).

However, for beings who have lived lifetimes of great 'evil', of tremendous negative karma, thosenes (thoughts, sentiments, energies) and actions, the psychological pain and trauma does prevent the re-assimilation or return of that incarnated personality energy, back with the soul or higher self. Indeed, the being or consciousness, warped by the pain of it's 'evil' or negative karma of the lifetime just lived, would be trapped in the various focus levels as described by Bruce (Moen), and thus be unable to incarnate, until its energy is remolded, cleansed, balanced, healed through and worked with.

There are specialized guides & helpers and extraphysical technologies to help in this process, but the consciousness him/her/itself plays the vital role for this. For what we call psychotic post mortems (ie. literally translated = psychotic after death), earthbounds, ghosts, etc. These beings are trapped (by their own consciousness, thosenes and vibrations) in various afterlife focus levels, various hellish realms, or even the physical earth plane, whereby they often participate in intrusion, attachment or possession (see Spirit Releasement Therapy).

For the majority of cases, it is really only a matter of time (anywhere from a few days to many thousands of years) before the individual beings are counseled, healed and assisted back into reassimilation to the higher self or soul, and then into reincarnation for further progress and evolution.

So both models are correct. Or more accurately, reality encompasses the principles as represented by both models.


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Right. When we say memories, there are many levels to this. The memory of the incarnated personality, for the duration of the physical incarnation, it's psyche is naturally closely tied in to the workings of the biological brain, and as such, the brain certainly does not have a memory of a past life, because it never did have a past life. However, the memory of the higher self or soul, retains full awareness (or 'memory') of all of it's lifetimes, including the ongoing present one.

So it is a matter of "who are you", when you say "my memory". Are you speaking from the perspective of your incarnated personality, or of your higher self, or even of various intruders impinging on your consciousness (this can result in 'false' past life memories or even hypnotic regressions, in which these are the actually the memories (and associated thosenes and thus to some extent, karma) of the intruder or attached entity, rather than your own soul's), or also possibly that (memories, thoughts, emotions, ideas, energies) of various guides, helpers, beings of higher vibration, that work with you. So the question "who are you", either becomes a moot one, or if one is willing to see from a higher perspective, "I am all of these".

This is also the key to seeing through the riddle of individuality vs universality. The individual is the universal and vice-versa. At its core, there is no losing of individuality or merging, no compromising of universality or fragmenting.

There really isn't any actual conflict in this (from the viewpoint of God, or the healthy viewpoint of individual souls), there's only (limiting) ideas of "ooh, there's a conflict there, and therefore such suffering I shall inflict on myself".


Logging off for now,
Kyo

It is wonderful to read everyones replies; as laffingrain said "we may never pass this way again" .. how great it is to be able to discuss Life and i would like to thank Bruce so much for making this possible for us.  Thank you Bruce 

We must not forget that the Universe is evolving and this is also a reason for reincarnation (besides Karma being a gift for our benefit) We are also evolving; it is not a static Universe and never are we.

Kardec said these very words and Kyo posted:
"When taken to the higher, vibrational level, they become as if, the very Laws of Creation themselves, of the way in which, the matter, energy, interactions between them, ability for them to create purpose, to manifest Destiny, and eventually, return Love to God, actually then, is the path then created. As if those Laws themselves allow this."

Manifest Destiny .... that is an awesome phrase.

Prior to our age Man was more Spiritually inclined and the topics that we discuss here were taken for granted by them.  They operated on 'group consciousness' as in a tribal family; their Ego had not been developed yet for individuality.

Our generation, which started intensively from the 15th century, goal is to develop the Intellectual part of us;  our Intellectual Soul which gives us the individual wisdom to think consciously of the eternal truth instead of thinking 'collectively'.

Along with this our Ego, the I, was able to develop using the Intellectual Soul of thinking.

So our Spiritual thinking was made dormant in order for our Intellect thinking to come to the front.

For we must be willingly through understanding and knowing.

Now the time has come for us to join the two 'organs'  the Spiritual thinking must join with the Intellect thinking.  The Ego has reached its point of I ness and the Ego needs to take a step back from itself in order to encompass our Spiritual thinking which is one of 'group collectiveness'

So with individual Intellectual thinking we may embrace the collective Spiritual thinking. Which is what the world needs now.

Furthermore we will develop organs, or rather transform our existing organs, to a higher level in order to Manifest our Destiny.  These organs are the Atman, Buddhi and Manas.

We have the ability to equip ourselves, when the time is right, to evolve as the Universe evolves.
We are evolving together and very much part of the creative creation process.

This is the essence of reincarnation.

Blessing to all 

Matthew-

I'm by no means an advocate of ACIM but I do concede that there are things in there that hit home with me.  I too feel depressed especially when the touchy-feely stuff sometimes we read on this board is contrasted with large scale tragedies where hundreds of thousands are killed in an earthquake and compared to the survivors who are starving and freezing, they are the lucky ones.

Anyway, ACIM says some thought provoking things about depression (not necessarily clinical depression, I don't think that's where you're at).  I'll see if I can look it up.  It might end up being a separate thread.

But I take no comfort when I read that life on earth is just an illusion.  It may be, but while we are here, it is real enough.  I'm lucky to have a great family and plenty of material blessings, but God forbid if something happened to any of them, it won't be one iota of comfort for someone to tell me that their death is just an "illusion" in an illusory world.  If Jesus was really the author of that book, He has totally forgotten what it's like to be human.  And that's just one of many flaws in ACIM.  But that's another thread. 

I think there's a deeper story in the recent untimely death of Dana Reeve.  I happened to catch the Larry King show the other night where Deepak Chopra made the observation that when love between two people is so deep, sometimes the death of one mate triggers certain biological changes in the other that hastens death so that they can be reunited.  Who's to say?  Maybe so. 

I'm skeptical of PUL as it's used on this board, mainly because some people seem to think they can package it and "send" it to others.  I think that's totally bogus.  PUL is a state of being, not a commodity.  But I do think PUL existed between Dana and Chris.  I do think there can be states of being between people that either reflects or in fact IS PUL.  I think it's rare, but it exists. 

If I could somehow wrap my mind around the concept that God's PUL is truly the state of being in which all of us exist, regardless of the hate we see displayed all the time and the brutality that is rampant in the world, I think I could deal with things much better. 

The problem is, that concept works fine in the abstract, but for most of us it falls apart as soon as a seemingly senseless tragedy befalls someone we love.  ACIM says guilt is just an illusion, but try telling that to the mom who backed her SUV over her young son playing in the driveway, killing him instantly.  All bets are off when something like that happens.

Roger

Bud,

I think we do judge ourselves.  However, to say that it is ok committing a rape if you think so, or murder a witch, will not make it so.

If there is a life review, if the perpetrator can feel their victim's terror, their soul will want to atone, repent, etc.  Hence, the notion of karma.  They may have been unrepentent in physical life.  However, I believe that all of us know on a deeper level what will bring us closer to or take us away from God.  Knowing they caused this agony after they passed over, they would feel spiritually bound to atone or "work it out."

Could they not feel this suffering, and be apathetic on seeing a life review?  I'm not sure, but if so, they would likely go to an area of consciousness where they would be alone (a self created hell).

So morals are not all completely relative if our souls recognize the divine, and what leads us to or away from it (love, the golden rule, etc.). 

Matthew

It’s not the moral that should show us what is right and what is wrong. It should be our heart to show us what is and what is not correct. This is the point we are here to understand.

Our moral is sick because our heart is sick.  Once our heart gets healthy our moral will show the love as the main line. So the job is done.

Every single act is recorded in our asstral body and we will have to deal with all that ones tha are contrary to love.

Matthew
Going back to your original post, I was thinking that we can come up with all these answers but we really don't know. I think it is difficult to know and this reminds me of that discussion we had on moral relativism

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we can't get out of the bag to know some of these things.

I've always wondered what kind of being incarnates as an animal in a feedlot farm. In a way, this is the same question. I mean, we come in knowing we have to die at the end. But why would a beign choose such a dismal experience? there is something going on here that I don't understand, except that maybe if whatever the source is doesn't fear death, it doesn't care how it incarnates as long as it has some experiences. If you aren't afraid of death or pain maybe it is fun to be a frog being eaten by a snake. Monroe suggests there is somethign we do not get about the death process at one point in his book, when he visits the future and experiences being different life forms.

So maybe we have that experience of lack of fear in mind when we choose how to be born. We probably forget how it feels to be here. I certainly forget things in my dreams, like in my yucky BST dream I forget to pray or meditate or think of Light. I see people applying physical-reality morals to a different state of conciousness.

I don't understand how it feels on the other side to have had a strange experience here that taught me something and be there and think about what happened and come to a logical conclusion on what happened. It sounds like the experience either changes the fabric of my conciousness or it doesn't, and if it doesn't I am susceptible to certain experiences when I come back here.

This has suddenly become interesting to me because certain types of problems have recurred in this life but in different forms. And they aren't fixable by techniques of pop psychology. It almosr makes sense that there is something from another life haunting me but not in a simple straightforward way. "overly-stuck on a problem"! and how!

So maybe those nasty people you are talking about think they will get here and rectify their problem but instead they get caught up in it again. And that’s because there is something about how consciousness works in the physical plane that we don’t understand yet.

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thought I'd mention this Kardec, that I have been proving this statement above, to myself, in my astral travels. the astral body does hold "memory" and acts out in the astral everything that is subconscious, all for our viewing pleasure/learning. somebody somewhere said "know thyself"  astral traveling, dreaming, whatever u wish to call it or label it, is teaching me everything I formally had hidden or denied, and I must say it's not uncomfortable and actually, rather adventurous, and not unlike belief system crashing without the negative connotation we could place on the word to "to crash."
happy exploring all.