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Amen to your last two sentences.

Regarding my experiences, even though during meditation I've seen beautiful scenery and things such as hillsides with robed beings walking on them, I've never had an experience where I went to a place like focus 27, and found out how things work.

I did find myself one night in a formless, heavenly realm , where I understood that the afterlife is true, I understood how it is possible without having to think about it,  and I understood that everything works out wonderfully for everybody in the end.  This state of being felt absolutely wonderful. It was such a surprise, at the time. I also saw a bright star,  which made feel/think that Jesus Christ is a being of significant importance, but I had no sense of the fire and brimstone business people sometimes connect to him.

About a month ago I visited the entrance way (not a door, a realm you descend into) of a hell like realm, but not a fire and brimstone kind of hell. I automatically understood that spirits stuck in their own darkness abide there, and they get out when they ask for help, and a spirit being from a higher realm comes to help them.  I felt absolutely no fear during this experience, because there was no sense that I would have to go into the realm, or that a being from it could come after me.



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thanks for the Tony Parsons thing AnnaM.
I enjoyed it. you know, maybe it's just me, but feeling oneness is the same thing as feeling unconditional love.

I still feel a question inside Doc. can't answer it as it seems part of your intention for incarnating this go around. but I can share a retrieval story. I retrieved a serial killer/rapist once. there were guides all around and the whole thing seemed staged for my recognition of my own power to transmute energy of another...to mellow him out so to speak by projecting PUL. I don't know how I pulled it off, but I came out of this retrieval owning my power. I handed him over to another guide on the other planes and she took him off to whereever these go, my personal proof that there is a place for everyone. then when I came out of this I realized I could do this on this plane too..transmute the energy of such as this one by not having fear inside me should it ever come to this..for I'd had the question if I was strong enough to be able to turn a situation around.
well, this may be the point, that we do create our reality here by concentrating on PUL, but not fear and PUL in the same place, as can't be done to have both energies in the same room efficiently, as there would be conflict then. so, yea, love is the answer. I actually pulled a superb con on this chap, but another part of me did love him, as I could see if he hurt me, he would be only hurting himself in the long run. to do this, I had to love myself and believe in my right to be unmolested above his belief in his right to molest me. loving, sending this PUL to him turned him into putty in my hands...now, maybe u think this is sexual...but it was spiritual..while to him women were the enemy as no woman had loved him before, but one had told him he was nothing, and not a man. so he had sexual and control problems, while I had personal power problems. thankfully, we both got a resolvement, like a win-win.
it's great when we get to work problems out in the ozone and don't have to work them out on the physical planes. love, alysia

I can't say that I agree with the Tony Parson's article.

If you want to get over your ego and the thought patterns and old emotional hurts that limit you, then you're going to have to put in a lot of effort into doing so. You'll need to get to the point where you're willing to look at anything. I don't believe that It's a matter of having one key insight, nor a matter of not seaking.

As far as us being individuals, we're all definitely individuals, and intentionally. The thing is to find that we aren't just mere body/ego/personalities. We're beings of love and light who are at one with many other beings of love and light and God. Why not relish this?

Every single creature in the universe knows what’s right and what’s wrong (even if unconscious) - depending on its evolutionary status it will suffer the consequences of its acts deeper. Its impossible to make intentionally somebody to suffer without a payback of the law that was created to teach us according our acts.

(it happens inside us We are our own Judge - Its God's precense inside us)

My God

Things are so simple. I can't understand why do you make them look so complex and crazy.

simplicity means perfection guys.

reicarnations is a very easy do understand process.

If you fail you try again till you feel ok.

So please don't get crazy about that.

Kardec,

I think that what you describe as simple with reincarnation is less so, if you read this entire thread.  Kathy's response, is the best I've heard so far to explain things, which in essence would mean an unrepentent person who does harm will not die, go to a hell and then reincarnate.  That person will remain in the hell until that part of consciousness can raise itself or wishes to.  What Kathy implies then is that we all have a higher self, and to that higher self we are one of many points of consciousness which are connected.

In the picture Kathy describes, the higher disc can send out probe after probe (incarnations), each with their own consciousness.  I believe this is Bruce's model too.  One does wonder why a higher self would be sending people down to earth who do harm and don't learn their lessons.

I myself am not sure about the higher self disc concept, as I feel we are all one, and part of one God.  Having a higher self composed of many points of consciousness is like a mini model for what I believe all of reality is.  Therefore, the higher self/disc is an artificial construct, no more real than our individual selves. 

Still, Kathy and Bruce have a workable model, although I would love to hear from Bruce as well on this thread.  I appreciate everyone's input.

M

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well, Kardek, I feel the same way u do and I laugh about it because I just realized it's the nature of the beast to make it complex.

if u subscribe to nobody's right, nobody's wrong premise then we are all just coming here for the satisfaction of self expression, and u might admit talking and writing it down helps us all.
as for reincarnation and if, how, when it happens or what it is, a rule of thumb for me anyway is that for every rule, there are exceptions. I think about a story I read of a child born in India, who immediately after learning to talk to his current family began relating that he had been the husband of another woman. the current family took the child to the address which the child remembered and was reunited with the previous family and there was full remembrance of all details; the previous family did accept the child for who he said he was. weird? thats the rule that was broken idea. in most cases the memory is wiped clean for a new dive, as how could you have a new experience if you were in the same habitual behavior of a previous life?
I like the way Alan Watts puts it. he say you have this soup pot...experience in life is this soup pot. you put the turnips in there, the carrots, the potatoes, etc. everyday u add something new. pretty soon you just want to throw it out and make a new stew, maybe the new batch should taste better.
yea, I know this is too simple. so throw some love in the pot, maybe that will complicate it more. as for the bad guys, we need them as we don't notice the light without the shadow. but it's not a random incarnation idea, theres planners who help plan lives on the other side, like the higher self Kat talks about. it's not planned out to the last detail, but more like diving in with some particular intention, either complex or simple. Mozart is an example; started doing his intention real young, and perhaps this kid in India was his intention to blow our minds that he remembered being someone else so young. btw, this kid has an ok life, as now he ended up having two families and everyone was cool with it.
isn't this the weirdest planet? anything goes here! I must have been a plant in my last life; or maybe I was a rock and someone sat on me and I was cool with that; I'm like Dorothy in the wizard of oz and I can't wait to go home, not that it hasn't been grand discovering what it's like to be loved and to love.
   

not everyone is on a love path but being on one since i read ACIM means you love the ones who dont seem to be on a love path just the same as the others..which just means to me, not being sappy (lol, a guide told me the other day I was a milk and honey tree which dripped sappiness; see how they are?)
but it just means to me to be in a balanced mental state with emotions. then u can see behind words whats really there. (looks pretty good to me!)
express yourselves all u cool people, we may never pass this way again!