As I said, what's most important it to grow spiritually. That has much more to do with growing in love and coming back to God.

Whatever way God has it worked out, I'm certain he has it worked out quite fine. He isn't limited by what people believe about reincarnation, neither pro nor con.

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Hi DocM ... and everyone 

A very good question (and possible answers too)
Keeping with the theory of reincarnation; why do some people come back evil seeing they have experienced the fruits of Spiritual realms that are said to be pure?

I refer to writings from a book-
'Atlantis to the Latter Days' It is known as the
'Osirian Scripts' inspirationally dictated to HC Randall-Stevens by the Masters Oneferu and Adolemy of the Osirian Group.  Adolemy being incarnate under the name Osiraes (not to be confused with Osiris) in the reigns of Amenhotep III & IV and Oneferu been incarnate under the name of Men-Aton during the reign of Akhnaton.
Furthermore it is published by The Knights Templars of Aquarius 1957.

This being said; the writings are 'a History of Earth' that parallel with and correct the mistranslations of the bible scripts.  The book is dedicated to the Adamic Master Teachers.

To my frustration there is a book prior to this 'The Book of Truth' that I have not managed to get, this book takes us make to the very beginning and in this book that I quote from its says .. this has been documented in the above book.

From what I have managed to bridge between these writings is there is a seed of 'evil' this seed is refered by the name 'Eranus who become Satanaku' and I bridge this name as 'the Fallen Angel - Eranus'

Eranus dwelt and was viceroy of Lemuria (Sarkon) prior to Atlantis. When Earth's God (Adam Ptah El Daoud and His Divine Twin Evam) saw the evil heart of Eranus They banished Eranus to the Astral regions of Earth where Setturn, the Lord of the Astral regions, used the Satankuic spirits to test the strength of the Men of Earth.  Thus through trials shall Man strengthen his character.

However, it seems that Satankuic was forever and is forever manipulating Mans gift of Free-Will and craftly using his (Satankuic) dark powers to try and gain control for his own personal gain.

An example of this is in the Egyptian Era; Amenhotep being the Pharoah at the period of the Exodus; there existed the Amon/Amen priesthood.
They are named the evil priesthood who were against the Aton Priesthood (Aton - The Divine One - Adam) Tut-Ankh-Aton, a great initiate of this time, fought the Amens and strived to bring the Truth (Aton) into the hearts of the people.

The Amen priesthood murdered him and buried him with the name Tut-Ankh-Amen and today he is still known us Tutankhamen.

Do churches not preach people to say Amen after prayers?

The Osirian writings say that God (Adam & Eve) have marked the time when the Amen will be destroyed. 

This is a possible connection to the War in Heavens topic - I think, if im right to say this, before the Creation of the Earth and indeed the before Creation of the Universe by 'The Cosmic Breathe' there has been this War - the war of the Black Orchid and the White Lily.

A huge suject this is to be true, and to get back to your oringinal question DocM - I'd like to think that every Child is born innocent until temptation is put before him and the exercise of free-will determines the outcome.

We are human and influences are understood by the 'higher-powers' it is part of our learning and one could say there is no such thing as a mistakes -only choices.  I would say the yard stick is 'morals' and here I might say the Christ Spirit, the White Lily, is a loving guide.

I can quote numerous examples of re-incarnation from the bible but will do another time.

DocM .. does this make sense to the question you asked?

Love and Freedom 

I never meant to say that certain souls are all good or bad.  If you read my first post, this thread is simply to try to understand the place of those who unrepentently choose to harm, where they came from before birth (if there is a before birth), and the sequences.

M

The thing is, Anna, if you believe in the mind creating/vibrating at a certain level, than unrepentent people who harm will be in a realm of their own making when they pass over (a hell).  It would not make sense for those in that state to be able to incarnate at will, since their minds would not have created that state of freedom.  So the idea that someone could maim 1000 in one life, and be reborn right away, and maim 100, and that this was spiritual improvement sounds crazy to me.


M

Doc said: If our linnear timeline does not hold true for being nonincarnate, it may be senseless to us how a soul from a hellish realm would incarnate again to do harm, or why a soul who evolved to or past the focus 27 level would descend into mayhem while reincarnated and take two steps back so to speak.
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The question you raise Doc is not clear to me, how you could imagine this is possible. you must have a belief in chaos principle operating instead of an orderly universe of cause and effect. or, you have a belief in good and evil. referring back to my mentor Monroe, to quote from him "there is no good, there is no evil, everything just is."
those we tag evil are still connected to everyone else, in both spiritual realms and earthly domains, as we are all possessed of both good and evil and we are all spirit.
not only that, but to see someone else as evil is to create them as evil; to vision them as healed is to create their health.
Linear time is a joke, it's not real, we don't need to buy any consensus reality as real. We're going to wake up someday and realize we thought it was real, but it was a movie and we bought the whole thing. I've had the Brooklyn bridge sold to me so many times, I should have the deed to it here somewhere.
there is absolutely nothing to get uptight about here as it is an orderly universe, and we do come here for the challenge and the struggle and we need each other's head to ram into for that too I refuse to believe there's anything evil out there or unredeemable to a state of grace; there are only people and spirits behaving badly who need to use a higher octane petrol. maybe we can help, maybe not, but its the opportunity that matters..and we only get one day at a time to look at. love, alysia

Doc:

I feel what you posted below. Not too long ago I asked myself a question similar to the question you posted on this thread. I was wondering why do some sources I like write as if belief systems exist, while others don't.  At times I would agonize over the question.

Even though for the most part I believe that psychological change won't be forced on a spirit, hence the need for varying belief systems, in the end I determined that there are some questions I won't be able to answer no matter how much I think about it. When it comes to this sort of issue, thinking often just leads to opinions. All sorts of opinions.

But that's okay, because real spiritual growth isn't about figuring out the cosmology behind everything. I'm certain that beings in the spirit realms already have it figured out without our help.

What's important while in the physical, is to grow as much spiritually as we can.  It does seem as if people approach this need to varying degrees. I wonder why. If we are all experiencing our first incarnation, then how come we don't share the same level of entusiasm for spiritual inquiry? But I won't go off on that tangent.


As far as somebody staying bad forever, I don't believe this will happen, because divinity exits in all of us, it's like an inner calling, and eventually each of us, without fail, will respond to this calling.  What's important is that this inner calling is answered. Not how it's answered (e.g., reincarnation, in the spirit World without reincarnating)



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 Logic won't answer my question, I know.  But for those of you who have experience (Bruce, Dave, Marilyn, Kathy, I don't want to leave others out...), your personal views of what you have seen are the most interesting to me.

Matthew [/quote]

Hi Doc M Could you tell me what focus 27 is because i dont know .       God bless juditha