No offense, but I don't buy the Einstein's brain issue for a minute.  Genius is not measured my neural connections but the dreamer and imaginative wonder inside of us which can surpass any computation or mathematical wonder.

I still haven't gotten the answer to my original question though.  I was not looking at good and evil per se, but wondering if and how incarnation occurs with those in planes we would normally consider of very restricted choice (hells).



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if, that were true - greater consciousness, could be equally bad as it could be equally good. I dont see what could seperate which of these two, are better without applying human boundaries onto it.

Doc:

It is very possible that a soul retrieved from a hell realm doesn't go from being lost to becoming completely enlightened all in one big swoop. They probably just become somewhat better.

Have you ever known a person who can be really sweet when things are going well, but as soon as something goes wrong, his or her negative tendencies become very active?

Perhaps something similar happens. A spirit moves from a hell realm to a higher realm, feels better because of the circumstances, but doesn't completely let go of some of its negative tendencies. Such change often doesn't happen over night.

Consider another analogy. Some people take psychedelic drugs, become curious about reality, and become spiritual. Some people take them and don't become curious at all. What's the difference? I'd say souls with different levels of development.

Going by myself, even when you try to change, change doesn't always happen over night. There's an ongoing battle with the part of my mind that doesn't want to change.

Here's another possible explanation. When it comes to people who are currently experiencing a very negative incarnations, it is very possible that they weren't as negative during their last incarnations and didn't spend time in a hell realm after their last incarnations.

For a while, when a soul is at a level of development where they are abiding more on the ego side rather than on the higher self side, and if life circumstances play out a certain way, they are liable to manifest as a really negative person. When it comes to the ego, each of us have a little bit of Adolf Hitler in us, because the ego could care less about goodness and is willing to do anything to get what it wants. It comes down to how good a soul is at not listening to an ego.





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yup.  key words being "human boundaries"  (there is no guarantee that afterlife values are the same as here)

People get stuck because they complicate their existance with their beliefs.  If one ascribes to the notion that we weren't always humans, but other progressively aware animals, much of the argument of "good" and "bad" goes out the window.  Animals commit atrocities all the time, but they are animals so we give them a break.  We've come to have morals and laws to preserve our species because we are physically weak and need defense.  Fine.  That doesn't mean a switch was flipped in the afterlife that determined good and bad go here and here,  or that one is better than the other.  As in animal world, where we've been most of our existance even as homo sapien, there probably isn't such a judgement per se, only endless events and experience that give rise to more of the same which gives rise to awareness, and ..... (drum roll) greater consciousness!

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because homo sapiens have been around a long time and the majority of the time our behaviour was not much different than other animals.  Only in the last 10,000 years have we come up with good and bad, judgement and so forth.  I don't differentiate the spiritual content of other animals from our own - I think we're all in the same pot.  Even plants.  I do believe our consciousness (call it God if you like) started the simplest life form on earth.  If you were floating aroud out there as a simple blip of consciousness with the stars and didn't know better, being a plant or a one-celled organism would be pretty exciting.  Being made  in his own image doesn't necessarily mean this latest version.  Obviously I'm not a Christian and this is just a theory.  But spiritualism is a dirty science eh?  Anybody can walk in off the street with a good question or a pet theory.  It just makes sense to me and seems the most scientifically plausible.  Hmmm, a past life regression remembering the time I was a jungle fern.... now that would be different.

edit1: uh don't get me wrong though, I cut trees down all the time and I've never heard one scream!  Not a tree hugger here.

Matt,

I like your whole train of thought on this thread.

Bud,

Does it matter to you that your theory no only lacks evidence, but it precludes any meaningful grounds for moral and ethical behavior.   On your view, why shouldn't anyone rape, steal, and cheat if they can get away with it and it makes them happy?   In the afterlife, what prevents a sadist from choosing to leave their hell and enjoy the delights of Focus 27 until he can reincarnate and inflict new torments to satisfy his sadist urges?  Of course, our sadist might temporarily need to play by the rules in Focus 27 to reap its delights.  Various threads have dealt with this issue recently.

Don

Regarding Beserks' below post:

The most wonderful thing a soul can experience is love. Therefore, it is only natural that a soul will eventually chose to find love. A soul only hurts itself when it tries to "get over."

If an afterlife existence spoken about by people "other than" Bruce Moen can be organized so that ill meaning spirits can be kept out of a higher realm, then it makes perfect sense that the afterlife realms Bruce Moen speaks about can also be organized in a manner that keeps ill meaning spirits out of the higher realms.

Here's a "really" important point:
There is no way that a being of love and light is going to be fooled into helping a spirit ascend to a higher realm, if such a spirit isn't sincere about growing spiritually.

There is also the factor of vibrational rates. If a spirit doesn't do something to raise its vibrational rate, it would have a hard time ascending to a higher realm.

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I like your whole train of thought on this thread.

Bud,

On your view, why shouldn't anyone rape, steal, and cheat if they can get away with it and it makes them happy?   In the afterlife, what prevents a sadist from choosing to leave their hell and enjoy the delights of Focus 27 until he can reincarnate and inflict new torments to satisfy his sadist urges?  Of course, our sadist might temporarily need to play by the rules in Focus 27 to reap its delights.  Various threads have dealt with this issue recently.

Don [/quote]