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Re: Incarnation
Reply #105 - Mar 13th, 2006 at 2:11pm
 
The difference is, that on the earth plane, we are able to hide our intentions and feelings.  We can't know each other's thoughts.

We are told from many sources that communication on the other side means that we are a bit of an open book to each other.  Lies and pretending may therefore not be present.  (Although I have wondered about the hells.  If one is brought there, by one's bad thoughts, perhaps telepathy does not exist in some of those).

So here, when a person committs a horrible act, they can rationalize, deny the event, bottle it up inside, and some go on with their lives.  In the end, however, these people do not escape their bad actions, because they take their thoughts with them to the other side.  Those negative energies may have been bottled up, but had never left.


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Reply #106 - Mar 13th, 2006 at 3:27pm
 
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 In the end, however, these people do not escape their bad actions, because they take their thoughts with them to the other side.  Those negative energies may have been bottled up, but had never left.


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Again, this is a person with morals, otherwise they would have no negative thoughts about it.  Morals give one negative thoughts about negative events, that's how they work.   If one doesn't feel bad about killing 6 million people, they must be judged by a god according to some moral code for there to be any consequences.  (This is where our belief systems part ways and it's not worth going over again.)

IMHO this goes to the core of our limitations as a species: we are so weak in so many different ways that our artificial means of ensuring civilizaton have completely occupied the space our spiritual life formerly thrived in.  I'll be happy in this lifetime if I can get clear of the noise long enough to regain some spirituality, much less actually make any progress or learn anything.  There was a time when knowing one's self spiritually didn't require a manual, code, rules, study or any other decoder ring passed from master to apprentice.  It may be unrealistic, but that's my goal.  Hopefully the morals will take care of themselves. Smiley
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Reply #107 - Mar 13th, 2006 at 4:11pm
 
I think the point is that even if a part of the indifferent person's consciousness can say "I don't give #$%#$%," the connectedness between all people and things makes a part of that person recognize the harm they have done.  At some point, the facade of indifference wears off - hence Tony Soprano of the Soprano's fame, the endearing mob figure who gets panic attacks due to the incongruity of his being a vicious killer, cheater/womanizer and yet trying to have a normal family life.

Or, for you more cultured or well-read souls, Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment," addresses this issue quite well, in which an impoverished student kills a "horrible" old miserly woman, intending to rob her without a conscience.  

So, yeah, the unrepentent learn one way or another.  They don't have to have the moral law foremost in their mind's eye, but I doubt where any human being can not be affected by harming others after they crossed the veil.

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Reply #108 - Mar 14th, 2006 at 4:37pm
 
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So, yeah, the unrepentent learn one way or another.  They don't have to have the moral law foremost in their mind's eye, but I doubt where any human being can not be affected by harming others after they crossed the veil.

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I really agree.
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My hope is to get there whatever does "there" mean...
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