Yes, I just asked if men in white-coats working in labs and handing out medicine will ever prove spiritual things.

Well? It seems like one day astral projection, spirit dimensions, and the afterlife WILL be proven. This is especially so if the physical plane is a spirit dimension of conscious energy, and the afterlife are spirit dimensions of subconscious (astral) energy.

Do you think scientsts (people who study Nature and physical objects, ect), will ever prove spiritual things? Your opinions?

"Will spiritual things ever be proven by science?"

In short, no.

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There is no such thing as supernatural, because everything is natural (eg. Intelligent Design as part of a greater scheme of Nature), only a matter of whether science as currently understood by humanity on planet Earth, is advanced enough to understand it or not.

For instance, current day computers or technologies brought back in time to the medieval ages, might have been regarded as 'magical' or paranormal' by humanity's science then. Similarly for extraterrestrial technologies which may be more advanced, and in fact all manner of phenomena that is not yet well understood, to be viewed as 'paranormal' by current 'scientific' understanding by humanity.

So it's not a matter of science vs spirituality or science vs religion, it's really a matter of HUMANITY (on Earth)'s *CURRENT* scientific understanding.

To address the question summarily - of course *everything* is scientific (ie. can be viewed or understood from a so-called scientific perspective, eg. science of philosophy, metaphysics, conscientiology, etc), it's only a matter of whether the current scientific community or capacity of any given race (eg. humanity on Earth) is ready to understand it, and to what extent, and from which bias (for instance, the multiple schools of psychotherapy, or mathematical logic, or philosophy, all arguably equally scientific but with differing goals thus natures).

Currently on Earth, one of the most advanced systems or organizations that utilize an optimal blending of science and spirituality, in the sense of the mutual benefit or 'best of both worlds', would be the work of the International Institute of Projectiology and Conscientiology (IIPC) founded in Brazil, and its USA and International counterpart - the International Academy of Consciousness (IAC). They have over a dozen affiliated but independent organizations between them, and for those interested in understanding how a mutually beneficial marriage between science and spirituality can manifest on Earth, their work is strongly recommended.

You could think of it as, why re-invent the wheel? Join their efforts as thousands of scientists, doctors, and other professionals worldwide have done, by contributing the insights and discoveries gained their own professional practice, towards the overall work of the IAC. The IAC is also the single organization in which greatest numbers of the highest guides & helpers actively work with, in collegial and collaborative projects of greatest assistantial polykarmic natures, that (naturally) require the effort from both the intraphysical and extraphysical sides.

I make two specific recommendations for the reader :

Courses conducted by the IAC - http://www.iacworld.org/English/Courses

Unfortunately, there are only so many IAC offices around the world, and if it is not currently feasible (eg. financial constraints) to travel to even the nearest IAC office, then :

Scientific Journal of Conscientiology (quarterly publication) :
https://www.iacworld.org/English/Shop/Cart.asp?sku=memassoci

For examples of papers published in the Journal, see :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/IAC/index.htm


Like the Hilarion Readings, might I add that all of these recommendations are made from strictly personal experience, and certainly not out of commercial motive (in fact, none of the amazon.com links from my website are commercial).

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It's natural, of course. And simultaneously supernatural, since nature is really super (for those who can appreciate this). And we (not just human beings, but all beings in the Cosmos) are of course multidimensional beings. This is afterall a multidimensional Cosmos.

Everything is natural, and if you like, everything is super, too. Any distinction between 'natural' and 'supernatural' is a false one, much like the boundaries between nations or races or languages or religions.

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The distinction between God and all beings or consciousnesses in the Cosmos, is a false, misleading and meaningless one.

As is, the distinction between the physical plane and the spirit world or 'Heaven', in terms of essence or connectedness. To do so would be treading into dogma.

The 'laws' that you can conceptualize, iterate or recognize, as being relevant for any given plane of existence (physical, etheric, astral, mental, buddhic, atmic, modadic, etc), are all equally part of Nature.

Do different 'laws' apply? Sure, just as you could recognize different properties applying to matter vs waves, or to sound waves vs light waves. But are all (sound, light, physical, extraphysical, etc) not part of Nature?

Why would anyone insist on defining the physical as natural and the extraphysical as supernatural? You could do so if you really wanted of course, but it wouldn't be very useful, would it? It would be arbitrary and simply not very meaningful.

Especially since for the soul, the extraphysical is actually the more natural state of being, while being intraphysical, is only a temporary state for the purpose of learning and helping others. Moreover, not all beings in the universe incarnate physically as humans do. Many other galatic races never get to experience physicality as humans do. (Of course, some migrate to Earth to incarnate as humans, joining their karma with humanity's.)

Recognize that you are not a human being experiencing itself as a spirit being, but a spirit being experiencing yourself as a human being.

That you are simultaneously both intraphysical and extraphysical; that your extraphysical guides & helpers and yourself (the intraphysical counterpart), are colleagues working together in the important project that you know as your life.

Ryan Paris,

I'm confident that some day scientists will learn how to see past the blinding limitations of their own beliefs to discover the existence of realities that exist beyond physical reality. 

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I've just recently written a short article on that very question for a Polish language magazine. If you click on the "Free Articles" link at the top of the page it will take you to the article.

Scientists, skeptical, belief-bound ones anyway, tend to require that existence of any things or places like our afterlife must be proven using only what has been proven (by scientists) to exist in the past.  That's why it took so many decades for scientists to acknowledge the existence of ESP.  There was no "previously, scientifically proven physical world data" regarding the existence of ESP.  Since ESP is not a physical world phenomenon it was difficult for scientists to even figure out what physical world variables to measure and how to measure them in a way that could answer the question.  And, even though science has now proven that ESP exists, they have no physical world explanation for what ESP is or how ESP actually works.

The first reaction of skeptical scientists regarding things like ESP was to say that since there was no scientifically proven evidence for the existence of ESP all such claims were most likely either delusion or fraud.  Such scientists believed that the methods they use to test theories are beyond the influence of beliefs and can be relied upon to yield completely objective results untainted by beliefs.  They point to the fact that the supposed existence things like ESP or our afterlife are being claimed by "Believers" whose judgment is obviously impaired by their "Believer" status.  All the while believing they, scientists, have completely unimparied judgment (belief-wise) and that their experimental results are completely unaffected by anyones beliefs including their own.  Turns out they are comepletely wrong about that!

  It wasn't that long ago that the integrity of any scientists daring to question scientifically held beliefs by doing research into ESP was routinely questioned, and such research was routinely branded as "flawed" and therefore meaningless and unworthy of review.  The article I referred to in the Free Articles section sheds some light, perhaps, on why scientists have such a difficult time proving the existence of things like ESP, remote staring or the existence of nonphysical realities.

Bruce

It looks like a nice article Bruce , I look forward to reading it thoroughly when I get a chance.

I am considering coming up with an experiment to show if a belief system can have negative affects.

The medical proffesion is starting to sit up and take note of the positive health benefits of a belief system. I wonder if negative belief systems can be tested ?

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Ryan,

I personally wouldn't call our afterlife existence one in which we are "lucid dreaming" with others who live There.  I could say that there are many similarities between what we physical beings call "lucid dreaming" and the states we can be in after death.  For example, we can be conscious of the nonphysical environments we are in, and of others who are there with us in ways akin to physical world perception.  We can move from place to place by thinking about doing that, as we can while lucid dreaming.

I guess I say that in my opinion when we are physically alive and lucid dreaming we are experiencing and perceiving within nonphysical realities from the perspective of being a nonphysical being, There, even though way still have a physical body.  After death we ARE nonphysical beings percieving within nonphysical realities, so there are similarities between lucid dreaming and actually living There (the "spirit world as you call it),

Bruce