I have never heard that our purpose is to grovel, B-man in any reasonable church or synagogue. 

But let's get the thread on track...what compels us to "right" or cosmoethical action?

What beautiful words these are Kyo. Thank you.

With Love,
Mairlyn

Dear Mairlyn,

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As always, whatever one sees in others (whether in words, actions, or in others), whether it be beauty, love, aspirations, it is really one's acknowledgement of the beauty of God (manifested across all forms or beings), and because one has the willingness to acknowledge or connect with this beauty aspect, it can rightfully said that the beauty is actually within the heart of the beholder, of the one whom sees this beauty in others.

As too, with the gratitude. The willingness to experience and gratitude, as with love, is always towards God (not merely to the other person) and really speaks volumes for the self (the grateful person), not the other person. Vibrationally, the thosenes (thoughts, sentiments, energies) of gratitude, is an extension or expression of love, and is vibrationally very close.

Dr Emoto has captured the image (using freeze photography) of a water crystal when human gratitude & love is directed at it here :

http://www.bariumblues.com/conscious_water_crystals.htm

And always, it is the vibrations of the individual expressing the thosenes, whether it be anger, hatred, beauty, gratitude or love, that is the result. Which means the primary karma here is instantaneous - if you are a loving, grateful person that sees beauty in others, it is a direct reflection on yourself, vibrationally, energetically karmically.



Hi Matthew and anyone else interested in the Universal Laws,

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Yes, for evolving beings who love, what's "right" really translates into "what's helpful", and cosmoethics is by definition what is the most helpful direction for (at the theoretical level) the entire cosmos, or (at a practical level) more directly the beings involved in any given situation. And indeed, as you say Matthew, the term itself "cosmoethics" is truly a very helpful, universal, loving concept and terminology to use, free from the limiting conotations of judgement and punishment, of "right" and "wrong".  


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Yes, that's pretty much what the 12 Universal Laws are about. There's really no dogma about it - bear in mind that these 12 words (manifestation, reflection, karma, etc) are really just human language iterations of the universal principles. Every being in the universe is really experiencing and expressing him/herself via these universal principles in all activities, by definition.

These are *NOT* rules or laws set out by any single galatic Being or diety, but are in fact principles (12 aspects of a single principle, of Oneness, really) that encompass *ALL* beings in the entirety of their existence, including godlike beings such as the Elohim (who are the 'creators' of a great many galactic races including humanity, as well as this quadrant of the physical universe; of course, they're really the same stuff as us - God).

The Law of Karma, most people are already familiar with. Simply iterated, it is "work", or "action and re-action", with the "re-action" taking primarily two forms - re-action as consequences, and re-action as habit patterns.

For those who wish to peruse the Law of Karma, the following articles are highly recommended :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/WayOfKarma/index.htm


The Law of Reflection, is also amongst the most relevant of the Universal Laws with regards to the purpose of physical incarnation. As discussed earlier in this post (the following is one of the aspects of corollaries of the Law of Reflection, or one way to put it) :

When someone says something nasty about you, it doesn't mean you're nasty, it means he's nasty.

When someone says something nice about you, it doesn't mean you're nice, it means he's nice.


Perhaps the most direct work one can do, to better understand, work with, and *LIVE* the Law of Reflection, is by adopting the work of Byron Katie :

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#ByronKatie


As an example, if you are apparently cheated by another, and you say, "He should not cheat me."

Turn it around (Reflection), and you realize, that what your (initially) upset reaction is really teaching you, or what it *really means*, is "I should not cheat him/others", as well as "I should not cheat myself". This is self-responsibility.

So the Law of Reflection states that everything around us, is really to reflect and teach us what is within ourselves, what our intention is really about, by choice, by free will.

Which leads us to another very closely associated Universal Law, that of the Law of Manifestation :


The above words of wisdom were by Neale Donald Walsch, who channeled "Conversation with God" (he was of course channeling guides & helpers, who spoke 'on behalf' of God - all beings in Creation are of course all equally 'ambassadors' of God, or simply put, God in all possible forms).


Now, as to Hilarion's "12 Universal Laws" lecture series. That was... one heck of a lecture. Extraphysical guests from across the galaxy were present (at one point, some of them politely interjected with their comments during the channeling, causing Hilarion to halt mid-sentence during one of the lectures, it was cute).

Jon (C Fox) has made the "12 Universal Laws" lectures conveniently available on a single CD-Rom. It's probably the single most focused piece of metaphysical written (or we should say, spoken) work on the 12 Universal Laws, ever to exist on the face of this Earth.

For those interested in a deeper (*much* deeper) perusal of the Universal Laws, the "Hilarion 12 Universal Laws CD-Rom" is strongly recommended... there's no other expository work on the 12 Universal Laws quite as concise and clear, without the burden of language or concepts cloaked in religion or mysticism.


In addition, Hilarion will continue to refer to, and speak of, these Universal Laws (most notably and relevantly, the Law of Reflection) in the ongoing Hilarion Quarterly Channelings.


Kyo

Dear Daff
(and any/all others whom our words might concern),


Thank you, too, for the opportunity to share (it takes two) and possibly be of some service.


Kyo

"On the more general level, the reality in which we involve with society tends to be socially determined. Wars, Inquisitions and Jihad are among the ways in which we manifest our Higher Moral Awareness. However, if we average everytihg over a long period we discover some real advances in social conditions, such as flush toilets and central heating, as well as a few things that turn out to be dangerous, like pop-top cans and safety razors.  The global tendency is simply pro-life, because that's all we can see to share.
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Do we make progress?

I am not a sports fan (golly how do I survive beantown?) but I have a son and he needs the interaction that sports provide as well as the exercise to help prevent type II diabetes these days. As a parent, I have had to observe many sporting events that I would otherwise have blissfully passed up. I do not enjoy watching the competition. If I could be in the middle of the fray, it might be more fun. Being the wrong gender and age to participate in football and wrestling (well girls wrestle so it's just the age thing there) I have been reduced to many hours of painful observation. I have a very strong kinesthetic sense, always danced, so I find this physically painful at times. What I literally do not understand is the way many people, particularly the males who possibly engaged in these sports at another time in their lives, love watching. What are they getting from watching?
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Last Friday caught a Nova program that was interesting ...on bog bodies....mummified remains found in bogs and dated to the Iron Age (~700BC to ~400 AD)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bog/iron.html

The deaths appear to have come about by violence, and one possible explanation is that the individuals were human sacrifice. By violent sacrifice. The question was asked, what dwould be gained by performing such violent sacrifice? And one answer was that people get a certain kind of energy from witnessing violence.

That really struck me because I think it is true. And oddly enough, I think it made me see why people enjoy watching the sports. (or playing Grand Theft Auto).

The Celtic peoples who are thought to be responsible for the bog bodies were known to be fierce fighters, described by Roman writers. Somehow we have evolved to see human sacrifice (but not war) as not good for the common good. Something happened. This is a more important social advancement than flush toilets. We learned to get the energy from watching sports rather than watching people hacked in the head by axes.

Yes in the case of the Celts Christianity put a stop to some of the violence (but introduced its own in my opnion). I always felt that Patrick did something to squelsh the druids...don't know what snakes symbolise...but never understood why the Irish celebrate the demise of their native culture, though if Patrick talked them out of creating more bog bodies, welll, maybe that was a good thing for humanity.
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The answer to the problem of life is Love (PUL) and knowing you create your reality.

We are in a cultural war with a proples I see as stuck in the Iron Age, but with the weapons of the 21sy century. Freedom of the press is something they do not understand. They are willing to practice human sacrifice to prove it.

And political leaders like Bin Laden are willing to exploiut their Iron Age mentality to acquire political power.

How can we use PUL to share with them that they create themselves? You can't answer this with words.

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"Do Buddhists find Buddha because of their mind set and consciousness when they die?"

I guess when I go back to this, I think somehow the question is wrong.....you assume something that is inside the box when you ask this, but you want an answer outside the box..oops ..not box, cosmic bag.

Hi Lucy,

Thoughtful replies.  No, I don't think this is masturbation in this particular thread.  And the coherence of discussion by Kyo, for me transcended merely verbal discussion.  I found his replies quite enlightening. 

I think though we may all be inside a bag trying to talk about the outside, some pioneers have made trips outside of the bag, however brief and have brought back their data.  Sometimes the data does not all agree, but this is what we are truly dealing with here; a verbalized coherent system of the universe will always come up short.  However, the ideas that resonate best with me or you in conjunction with the data brought back by these pioneers (Monroe, Moen, Mediums, Meditators - enough Ms for you?) we get this best overall picture that we can - while incarnate here on earth.  This same picture may be obtained perhaps through yoga, various religions and spiritual experiences of varied kinds. 

For me at least, that is why I am still here.  Lucy, when confronted with inane situations in life, do you not think about them a little differently after immersing yourself in this thought/discussion?  How could you not?  And perhaps your responses and your actions may have differed slightly.  I think the greatest epiphanies come from direct exploration and experience.  These words are inferior to the ineffable experience of knowing the universe is one or the feeling someone has when they contact a departed person.  However they still have their own place. 

Matthew

OK. I'll take a stab at tying in poster comments with my 2 "straw man" cases in reply #20.  Then I'll share how I might provisionally respond to them.

(1) AN ATHEIST'S RATIONALIZATION FOR MAYHEM

"Morality" and "ethics" are merely code words for the communal desire to impose limits on behavior to prevent rebels from infringing on the freedom, dignity, and happiness of the community.  To the extent that the Golden Rule is embedded in the psyche of the masses, this can be attributed to evolutionary processes designed to promote the survival instinct, including group survival.   Once this evolutionary programing is understood, the "enlightened" maverick is free to violate any rules he pleases, if he is confident he can get away with it.  Nature is governed by the principle of the survival of the fittest.   No one can prove that human interactions should be any different.  So if I want to cheat, rob, and rape, there are no moral absolutes to which I am accountable. 

You may protest, "But what if everyone embraced your brutal outlook?   YOUR world would become a living hell too?"   Our narcissist might reply, "But only a minority will in fact live by my brutal code.   So if power and control over women makes me happy, you have no moral grounds for condemning my abuse of women.  You don't know if I can get away with it or not.  Even if I can't, that is a practical issue, not a moral issue." 
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Kyo would apparently advise our atheist: "An immature...form of `feel good' is the right action, insofar as the being concerned needs to explore negative karma." In other words, raping women is right for the atheist if it makes him feel good. Of course, from his perspective, it is Kyo's New Age views that are naively "immature."  If moral relativism is correct, who is to say that our atheist is wrong?  Thus, he might find solace in Kathy's principle, "Truth is in the eye of the beholder."  His truth does not transcend biological evolution, which offers no justification for morality and leaves the door open to the principle that might is right in a world that supports the survival of the fittest.

(2) JOE'S NEW AGE RATIONALIZATIONS FOR RAPE

Both Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen affirm the principle that "There is no good, there is no evil.  There is only experience."   Consistent with this principle,  Bruce Moen's astral explorations have determined that the only reason souls remain trapped in lower astral planes is their decision to stay there.  True, my inital postmortem locale will be based on the principle like attracts like.  But when I tire of hanging out with my ilk, I  can make new choices and leave.  Or I can benefit from a soul retrieval which can work like a jailbreak. I can ascend to Focus 27 and blissfully remain there as long as I temporarily agree to respect the freedom of others.   I can use the system to rest up for my next incarnation in which I can once again indulge my kinky passions by raping and controlling women.  Or I can find a fulfilling new vice like drug dealing.  And if that's what makes me happy, you have no moral grounds for protest.   
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Both Kyo and Dave embrace a karmic perspective that is irrelevant to Joe's Moen-Monroe view of reincarnation.  Kyo would apparently remind Joe, our rapist: "The higher self can never be fooled, brain-washed, or take a myopic perspective."  In other words, "Look, Joe, when you die the real you will eventually realize that your lifestyle is wrong."    Kyo would remind Joe of the empathetic past life review that he must eventually endure.  But if Joe utterly lacked empathy in life, why assume that he might emerge from this review an empathetic soul?  Indeed, Howard Storm's NDE and the astral explorations of Bruce Moen and Emanuel Swedenborg all imply that it is almost impossible to retrieve the hellbound.  If they are correct, then their past life reviews of the hellbound evidently do little to change their energetic make-up with its cruel priorities.   

Kyo asks, "What compels us toward cosmoethical action?  What else but Love?  The love that understands that all in the cosmos...are one with all whom you love, that all beings...are truly and always will be God."  Kyo overlooks the obvious question of why Joe should adopt love as a prime motivation.   Why are they stuck in Hell in the first place if they sense the implications of Kyo's New Age theology (God is All That is)?

Moral relativism is an important but difficult issue and I thank Matt for raising it.  Let me take a preliminary stab at responding to my "straw man" cases.   NDEs ovewhelmingly support the view that we are here for two purposes--knowledge and love.  An overview of NDEs leaves he nature of this knowledge rather vague.  Retrievals require certain conditions.  e.g. (1) The retrievee must want to be retreived.  (2) His energetic make-up must be sufficiently transformed for his survival in a higher vibrational frequency.   Put differently, the principle of like attracts like also governs his retrieval in the sense that his essence must now be like his "higher" destination and no longer like his current plane.  On this view, Joe's preconception of the retrieval process is sadly mistaken.   

The moral absolute concept applies to the principles that facilitate a ready state for retrieval and advancement.  Surely one of these absolutes is PUL, so that progress in PUL is decisive.  Many of us have a feel for what PUL is, but PUL also has an elusive aspect.  This might mean that other moral absolutes govern the prospect of retrievals.  For now, I merely want to leave that open.  Another absolute might be a minimal level of spiritual knowledge, the nature of which might be determined through future astral exploration. 

The target for retrieval is always free to thumb his nose at these so-called absolutes.  In that sense, they do not serve as absolutes for him and he is free to insist on his own brand of moral relativism.   But his brand may lead to eventual annihilation or to indefinitely prolonged consignment to a hellish plane of separation from any intimate bonding with God.   For me, one of our most important questions is the correct strategy of discarnate retrievers for influencing the enegetic make-up of denizens of hellish planes.   

Don