Recov

Thank you for your explanation - makes sense!


with love
Irene

A polish speaking demon? Sounds like and earthbound spirit who used to be Polish.

It took an entire year to get rid of the spirit? Perhaps the wrong approach was taken. If you start speaking to a confused former human spirit as if it is some sort of demon, all you're going to do is confuse it some more. If you really want to help the spirit you'll tell it that God's divine light is inside, and loving and wise spirits are available to help it find a way to find true happiness, peace and love.

This is why I don't like exorcisms that are based on the myth of satanic demons. How many confused spirits haven't received the help they need, because somebody with superstitious beliefs accused them of being satanic demons without having substantial proof that this is the case. If exorcisms were the right way to go they wouldn't take as long as they do.

I don't see how you can help God and Jesus help a confused and lost soul, if you add to that soul's confusion by feeding it false ideas.


[quote author=vikingsgal link=1139267674/15#17 date=1165943649]Don,




So, that personality seemed to be OTHER than some one in need of soul retrieval.  Note
that it never tired.  Probably it left because it had more promisingly unprotected prey in view.  

Hi Albert

I hope I explain this as good as the Doctor would have done;

If we go back to the (near) beginning of our present solar system we find human, ahriman and luciferic development is part of our planetary evolution. 

We primarily look at the old Saturn epoch and the old Moon epoch and how these epochs gave rise to the (already existent) forces of luciferic beings (illusionary beings) and ahriman (beings influencing material development) of which man, having free-will, is the vessel for these influences.

I can give a fuller description of  planetary evolution of Earth but for now let’s look at the old Moon and the old Saturn epochs.

In the old Moon stage human beings did not have mineral inclusion in their (our) make-up.  We where etheric / spirit  beings without a skeleton.  This mineral inclusion came from the Saturn epoch when our bodies became heavy and our skeleton was given to us.

During the Moon evolution man’s soul was active in a way that was dreamlike and consisting of dream images.  The human ancestor said : I am part of the universe; the power that pulses within me and evolve images is the same power that is alive and active in the forming of the clouds.  He knew power was also wielded by entities that differed from human beings, entities that do not have a physical body such as the human body, though human beings might feel that they had a citizenry of the universe in common with them.  The ancestor was not aware of ‘forces of nature’; he felt himself to be in communion with nature spirits.

For the human ancestor who lived in this far distant past it was natural to say that everything that happened in nature outside himself happened out of will impulses of the spirits of nature.  We say the earth attracts the bodies that are on it due to gravity, and according to the law of gravity the gravitational pull decreases at a rate that is proportional to the square of the distance between the two objects.  We call this a special case of a law of nature. When we speak of nature we base ourselves on such abstract notions.

The human ancestor knew that an essential spiritual element was present in the phenomenon we have made into an abstract gravitational force.

Certain spiritual powers who may be said to be involved in human evolution thus developed a relationship to human beings.  This would normally cease the moment Earth evolution proper began for the human being.  At that point human beings would be released from the tutelage of those spiritual powers, powers they had felt to be flowing and floating into them and this stage of evolution was the inclusion of mineral substances into our bodies.  The hardening of our bodies.

Now we must see the luciferic spirits of the old Moon stage who influenced the thinking images which human beings has at this time of the old Moon lost that function in the normal progress of human evolution but are not prepared to accept this with good grace.

We might ask why they do not submit to the will of the Gods who guide normal progress.  They simple do not.  We have to accept that as a fact.  The original intention was that they should only influence dreams within the human sphere and everything related to dreaming.

Their proper sphere would be everything that has to do with dreaming and anything related to this.  They are not satisfied with this, however.  They haunt the human way of thinking that has evolved out of their own sphere, human thinking now bound to the mineral sphere.  When we allow anything that normally rules our dreams, the life of imagination, to enter into our thinking we fall prey in our thinking to luciferic nature.

They are constantly trying to influence our thoughts and make them dependent on impulses similar to those that existed in pre-earthly times.

Now together with the ahriman influences – borne from intellectual materialism from the mineral inclusion; we are in a constant tug and pull – between materialism and illusive dream state thinking.

We read further in Rudolf Steiner’s work how the consciousness of Christ maintains the balance between these two influences and how this Consciousness is working to transform these influences for the better of human kind 


PUL