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juditha Ex Member	Re: John Edward rocks. Reply #30 - Feb 7^th, 2006 at 8:01pm the spiritualist church i go to has a medium eyery week and they do it for nothing stephen who is a very genuine medium charges 10 pounds for a private reading which he gives to charity and he also records the reading on tape for you god bless juditha
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Re: John Edward rocks.
Reply #31 - Feb 7^th, 2006 at 8:14pm

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Look at mediums as a whole, to get the best perspective, instead of looking at one, and saying there the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Craig

I have craig, and there are many bad apples in the basket. But how can you explain the talents of mediums such as Gordon Smith, Leslie Flint, Helen Duncan, Doris Stokes and hundreds of others like them who have not pursued fame and fortune.

Then again mediums like Smith could be having us all on and could be extremely good at cold reading?

Have you ever thought the reason why most mediums avoid sharing their abilities?

Its because they would be scoffed at with a big scoffing stick. Most people adopt the Rhandi style of judgement where as if one mediums fake the rest are which of course is bull.

But you cant make an exception for one and an exception for the rest as like you said with the bible, you can't believe one thing and not believe another.

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Reply #32 - Feb 8^th, 2006 at 7:43am

Randi is a pathetic skeptic. Infact it is a shame that the word is associtated with the way he works.

He's drive to disprove anything is a kind of madness in a way. He is as dishonest as any of the biggest fraudulant mediums *cough Derek Acorah cough*. Yet he becomes more popular as he becomes more dishonest.

That is the real problem. Dishonesty/popularity for a skeptic seems to yield exponential growth, but the true result should be that of a dishonest medium where dishonesty should result is descrediting.

However, on the subject of "dodgy" mediums, I hate the argument some people make that "yeah ok he may be a show man but if he makes people feel better then its ok". So does that mean if I pump you full of the drug ecstasy its ok? Its an illusion but you feel great so wheres the problem.

No. people who gain trust and honesty (Bruce Moen good example) deserve to be listened to.
People who are deemed dishonest should not be allowed to carry on.

The thing i dont get is now on before a programme like John Edwards starts now we get a "this is entertainment only" message. What does that mean?

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Reply #33 - Feb 8^th, 2006 at 9:35am

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I have craig, and there are many bad apples in the basket. But how can you explain the talents of mediums such as Gordon Smith, Leslie Flint, Helen Duncan, Doris Stokes and hundreds of others like them who have not pursued fame and fortune.

Then again mediums like Smith could be having us all on and could be extremely good at cold reading?

Have you ever thought the reason why most mediums avoid sharing their abilities?

Its because they would be scoffed at with a big scoffing stick. Most people adopt the Rhandi style of judgement where as if one mediums fake the rest are which of course is bull.

But you cant make an exception for one and an exception for the rest as like you said with the bible, you can't believe one thing and not believe another.

People who dont share ability's either, dont believe in there own skills [thus theres no point we should believe in them], or they are cowards.

Evidence speaks for itself, Make the skeptics look like tits, by proving them wrong.

I think randi goes overboard, but then again he's probley seen more fake psychics then anyone.

Unlike the bible, you can recreate evidence, based on mediums. You can verify claims yourself,but then again, i can say mediums as a whole are a bunch of bums, who leech off people's grief, with the exception of a few, who ive researched/seen myself and i have belief in there ability's.

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Reply #34 - Feb 8^th, 2006 at 11:29am

Ok fair enough oviously the majority are fake but we dont know really whos being true or cold reading (apart form the ovious cases). Thats what i meant in going round in circles discussing this.

I dont really follow pyschics as i wouldnt like to believe someone telling me im gonna be dead in a week because exactly, what if it was wrong, ive lost everything including my 30 quid or whatever for the reading.

Also im not just looking at one but fair comment i dont take an interest and it doesn't interest me whos right, whos wrong, whos fake, whos telling the truth. I enjoy watching the shows and hearing on them though as it gives me faith i guess.

And also for the record i didn't judge anyone, im just saying a positive outlook helps, but i also wont let people use, take advantage of me, there has got to be a middle.

Also i take that view that its helping awareness but i would be first in line to see fake mediums/pyschics banned whatever as in spoiling what maybe is real.

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Reply #35 - Feb 8^th, 2006 at 2:33pm

Does anybody remember the Amazing Kreskin?

http://www.amazingkreskin.com/

i went to see him once back in the 70s and he was, well, amazing! However, he made it very clear he was a psychologist. He did brilliant cold readings, mind reading, hypnotized people, all sorts of stuff. After each thing he would explain the way it worked and how anyone could do it if they studied the same stuff he had and practiced. Like one I remember he said to the whole audience: "okay think of a number between one and a hundred. Make it an odd number." First I thought of 37, then 35. Of course he said "37, and the rest of you changed it to 35 after thinking of 37 first." Incredible. And then he went on to tell the statistical probablility that people will pick either 37 or 35 in such a situation. It's actually abnormally high for no apparent reason, just like the occurance of 30s in lottery numbers - doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is. Anyway, he's really entertaining.

What's funny is that I think people dismiss him and embrace others because he tells them up front he's not psychic. They want the same results, but from a real "psychic." It reminds me of something my 7 year old son said once. He was pressuring me to show him how an illusion was performed (I was an amateur magician in my youth and had a box of magic stuff). When I showed him how the magic was done, he was soooo disappointed, and said, "that's not magic, it's a trick!"

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Reply #38 - Feb 8^th, 2006 at 4:24pm

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matt what does cold reading mean exactly deanna

These are my own words, I expect others here can describe it better.
Skeptics believe that false pyschics or mediums can use two methods to get their hits.

Hot reading is acquiring the information via established means (such as other people, books, the internet, microphones etc). The medium/psychic then includes these pieces of information as part of the reading.

Cold reading is the technique of more or less letting the sitter give you the information.The medium would use what information is said by the sitter to build on hits. It is also the technique of going with common sense theories (young boy and middle age woman sitters = medium would hedge for a "older male figure" (father). The medium uses these techniques to get the hits.

After seeing John Edwards show tonight I would have to say that he could not do what he does with cold reading techniques alone...no way!

That leaves true mediumship or hot reading/ cold reading combo.

I cannot honestly believe that he would have lasted this long without a media/skeptic pounding if he is using hot reading. There was talk a while back of mic conversations but surely at least one sitter would have looked up and said during the show "hmm thats a little odd you have mentioned that as I was talking to another audience member about that... you are listening to the mic's!!"

So if hot reading is not being used AND since he cannot be doing it by pure cold reading techniques then if this a 3 horse race of :-

cold reading
hot/cold
genuine

If I was told I would win 5000 pounds if I picked the winner I would honestly go for genuine at this present time.

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Reply #39 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 2:07pm

I just have to add my bit here as mediums are very important to me.
My family had a reading over the phone with George Anderson, and it was very good.
My family had a phone reading with Suzane Northrop over the phone and that was very good.
We went to see John Edward at a seminar of at least 3,000 people and my friend who really wasn't sure if she believed in him, got a reading and it was amazing. There was NO way he could have known what he came up with about her son that had passed, her son had some very rare disease, and John got it immediately, and named it.
The energy in that room was overwhelming.
My family had 2 readings with an unknown medium, and she was awesome, just mind boggling.
I recently had a live radio phone reading from Gordon Smith, and that one blew me away.
We also went to see John Holland at a very small seminar, and that was very good also.
They were all very good readings in their own ways. I would have to say that most everything that was said were true validations and none of these people had time to try and find this stuff out. These were spur of the moment readings.
I have had a few bad ones. I took a mediumship course so I know what to look for.

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Reply #40 - Feb 9^th, 2006 at 9:33pm

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I just have to add my bit here as mediums are very important to me.
My family had a reading over the phone with George Anderson, and it was very good.
My family had a phone reading with Suzane Northrop over the phone and that was very good.
We went to see John Edward at a seminar of at least 3,000 people and my friend who really wasn't sure if she believed in him, got a reading and it was amazing. There was NO way he could have known what he came up with about her son that had passed, her son had some very rare disease, and John got it immediately, and named it.
The energy in that room was overwhelming.
My family had 2 readings with an unknown medium, and she was awesome, just mind boggling.
I recently had a live radio phone reading from Gordon Smith, and that one blew me away.
We also went to see John Holland at a very small seminar, and that was very good also.
They were all very good readings in their own ways.

Sounds like you met some really good psychics and mediums, Aras.

I doubt most of the really good psychics have their own TV show, or even want one. They are probably just born knowing about the spirit world or able to see spirits.

You can learn more about psychics and mediums here:

www.spiritual.com.au/psychics_mediums.htm

www.spiritual.com.au/channeled.html

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