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Reply #15 - Feb 6th, 2006 at 4:22pm
 
Spit have you ever noticed that the greatest mediums are few and far between?

What does that tell you?

Beserk you are sassuming that mediums are like carnival gypsies who predict the future.

Most honest mediums that I know of would not even try to predict the future as the future is not set in concrete however certain mediums can "advise" a person if they are heading towards something.
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Reply #16 - Feb 6th, 2006 at 5:07pm
 
Jambo,

In my experience, many mediums routinely try to predict the future,  with mixed results that badly confuse and even terrify their clients.  The greatest mediums who have been rigorously studied also display precognitive talent and I will later be posting on this research in my medium thread.  

Just one personal anecdote.   When I was a doctoral student,  I reluctantly accompanied my date to the New England Flower Show (not my cup of tea, I must say!).   To my surprise, I noticed a Tarot Card reader sitting next ot a playing card reader.   My date sneared, "What a bunch of crap!" and moved on to inspect more flowers. Already "flowered out", I decided to give these readers a shot.   The Tarot Card reader charged $35 and the other gal charged just $5; so I chose her.   I drew 3 boring cards from her deck.  The first thing she said was, "Well, I'd sure dump that chick!"   This amused me because I think she had overheard my date's disparaging remark about card readers.   The reader then made two predictions: (1) that I was good with children and would soon be actively working with them; (2) that in the next few days I'd get a job offer from an exotic place, which I'd be well advised to decline.  

Both predictions seemed absurd.  I was a busy grad student and the last thing I wanted was the distraction of working with a bunch of little brats.  I was single and wanted no children.  The second prediction also seemed silly. I was working on my dissertation and had not even applied for a job.  I'm sure the card reader sensed my skepticism.

Two days later, I received a job offer to for a summer professorship at a university in St. John's, Newfoundland, a job for which a professor had recommended me.   I turned it down because I was not sufficiently close to completing my dissertation to leave Cambridge.   But Newfoundland seems like a pretty exotic place by my standards.

A few days later, I received a call from my thesis advisor pressing me for an overdue chapter.  I made the usual excuses, but soon realized that he was just manipulating me to comply with an unrelated request.  He was the commisioner of the local youth soccer federation.   He knew I had played soccer in Canada and asked if I'd be willing to coach an under-12 boys' team.   This was the last thing I wanted to do, but how could I refuse my thesis advisor.  

My 3-year experience of coaching those boys was one of the highlights of my life.   They all became like sons to me.   We eventually made it to the county final for Greater Boston.   Again, the card reader's prection proved correct.  In retrospect, I'm in awe over her gift and wish I could track her down to thank her.  Yes, I know she was a card reader and not a medium.  But I consider these two gifts to be related.

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Reply #17 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 2:27am
 
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Thanks for the review.  Maybe his book his better than his TV show:
Um,   "I'm thinking of a number  - "3"  Yes "3"  and the letter "d" is coming in loud and clear from this part of the audience.   "My son Doug died at age 3, it must be him."  "No wait, my wife Diane had 3 daughters, it must be her." 

What a gift.


John Edward does NOT give a reading like that. You're just saying something dumb like that because South Park on TV called Edward a fraud. I'm sure you had the cartoon in your mind when writing that most.

John Edward in real life usually talks about specific names and sometimes events accociated with the family/person he is reading. He even brings up specific objects the person's family has in their house or purses sometimes.
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Reply #18 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 4:49am
 
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John Edward does NOT give a reading like that. You're just saying something dumb like that because South Park on TV called Edward a fraud. I'm sure you had the cartoon in your mind when writing that most.

John Edward in real life usually talks about specific names and sometimes events accociated with the family/person he is reading. He even brings up specific objects the person's family has in their house or purses sometimes.


I think matt, was just using his tv show "crossing over" more then anything to base his judgement upon him, and while it may seem impressive at the time, but his style of psychicness if probley one of the easiest styles of cold reading.

I dont think he could match up to the like of gordon smith, not to mention "crossing over" will have alot of the bits he does'nt get right chopped out from it. [standard proceedure]

Did you see him in real life?
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Reply #19 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 5:05am
 
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Did you see him in real life?


I know of friends who went to see John Edward years ago in NYC, and they got a great reading. That's what interested me in the afterlife to start with.

I somehow doubt Mr. Edward would be so popular and on TV if he wasn't a good psychic.
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Reply #20 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 11:09am
 
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I know of friends who went to see John Edward years ago in NYC, and they got a great reading. That's what interested me in the afterlife to start with.

I somehow doubt Mr. Edward would be so popular and on TV if he wasn't a good psychic.


True, and to be honest I am not in a position to make a fair judgement on Edward.

Does anybody know of weblinks that have videos of Edward?
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Reply #21 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 11:45am
 
Ryan,

I have never seen South Park's episode.  I have seen about ten episodes of Crossing Over.  He does things exactl like described.  His technique is called "cold readings," and it may be real in his case, but it is a notoriously easy con.

In college in a psychology class, we were each given a fake secret reading that was "psychic" said to be crafted to our birthdates.  In reality, everyone got the same reading.  Everyone rated the accuracy, and surprisingly the entire class gave high marks to the psychic.  The readings were designed that way.  Statements crafted to please anyone.  "You are fun and outgoing, although you can be introspective or shy at times.  "You have a great sense of humor, but you won't laugh at just anything."  The demonstration showed people how, if they are told things they want to hear by an "authority," may validate it in their own mind.

With regard to Edwards, he has had some good validations about family heirlooms, etc.  However, my point about his large readings was that it is unfair in some ways to say "I'm getting the letter L, is there anyone here with an L in the audience?"

Deanna, who saw a man in church who said her grandfather was there right then and there and mentioned the peg legged chicken had a much more affirming reading.

Do I think John Edwards is a fraud?  No.  But his patchy communications are not for my taste; there are far better mediums out there like George Anderson, if you want a real full conversation reading.

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Reply #22 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 12:22pm
 
Actually, Ryan, I was thinking of it, and want to put it another way.  I don't doubt that Edwards may have a good gift.  But if you are going to mass market this on television, you should be the best of the best, or people will not believe it.  We are at a cross roads where science and spirituality are trying to meet. 

If someone could show a truly verifiable afterlife, it would profoundly change life on earth.  Many would think twice about their purpose, and about inflicting harm, or other negative things. 

So when Edwards cold reads "the number 7 is coming in loud and clear," part of me wants to tell him to not make it so vague if he is in front of cameras. 

He was on a special once with either two or three other mediums who were all tested with the same people to read, and all came up with similar communications.  I forget who filmed it, but it was quite well done. 

He also told a person once that after his daughter died, he was in a train rest stop, and crying and took some bubblegum she loved and squished it into a wall as a tribute to her (bizarre), but this was verified by the father.  So yeah, he may have a gift.  But publicizing the cold readings of numbers or letters does not impress much.

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Reply #23 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 12:44pm
 
I have to agree with the general opinion here that mediums are not all the same in how they receive information.  Sure, J Edwards is a bit of a showman, but so what?  The guy at least had opened the minds and hearts of thousands of people to the idea that they too can communicate with their loved ones that have moved on to spirit.  Just that in itself is worthwhile IMHO. 

He has managed to raise the consciousness vibration of so many people and that's really the point isn't it?  To raise the consciousness of the masses to better understand themselves and their spirituality.  He's making it okay to believe in the spiritual, regardless of the listener's personal spiritual practices, they are understanding it's possible.  That is what's important.

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Reply #24 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 1:30pm
 
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I have to agree with the general opinion here that mediums are not all the same in how they receive information.  Sure, J Edwards is a bit of a showman, but so what?  The guy at least had opened the minds and hearts of thousands of people to the idea that they too can communicate with their loved ones that have moved on to spirit.  Just that in itself is worthwhile IMHO.  

He has managed to raise the consciousness vibration of so many people and that's really the point isn't it?  To raise the consciousness of the masses to better understand themselves and their spirituality.  He's making it okay to believe in the spiritual, regardless of the listener's personal spiritual practices, they are understanding it's possible.  That is what's important.

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But what if he's fake? does he have the right to screw with peoples grief?

say you lost a leg, would it be ok for me to tell you your going to regrow a new one in a week, and find out i was lieing? and that i charged to a fortune for that lie?.

How does, communication with the afterlife, raise your conscious vibration?

For every psychic whos geniune, theres 1000 who ar'nt, the full area is full of bogus people with false face's.

When a psychic go's live in front of a crowd of 100,000 people, gives up wealth, and does readings purely to prove they can contact the dead, then it's worth listening/putting your faith into them.

If i could see the afterlife, and i could understand all the hippie love power that goes on there, why would i be intrested in gaining material posessions?

Spirtualness, is looking beyond the physical and embracing a higher cause, almost all psychics are the complete opposite, money bleeding vampires, with no talents.

John edwards, aint as bad as most by a long shot, but theres something fishy about his readings.
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Reply #25 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 2:35pm
 
i think john edwards is a very genuine medium and gordon smith as well i trust every word they say and derek acorah as well and its right what mari said all phycics see the spirit world in a different aspect ,its how they see it  and they tell us how they see it i dont have to pay the mediums i see  at the spiritualist church  and i,ve had some very genuine messages  deanna
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Reply #26 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 3:01pm
 
One of my daughters had 2 co-workers who went to see John Edwards. Out of 3,000 people there, he tuned in on spirits that were there for the 2 co-workers. They said it was absolutely amazing as he couldn't have known anything about them before hand. I truly believe in him. Wink

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Reply #27 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 3:33pm
 
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i think john edwards is a very genuine medium and gordon smith as well i trust every word they say and derek acorah as well and its right what mari said all phycics see the spirit world in a different aspect ,its how they see it  and they tell us how they see it i dont have to pay the mediums i see  at the spiritualist church  and i,ve had some very genuine messages  deanna


derek acorah is definetly fake,

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16303507&method=full&siteid=94762&headl...
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Reply #28 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 4:01pm
 
I gotta say this is starting to go round in circles now. Everyone has their personal opinions and I think this is getting in the way now of what is actually going on.

These people have gifts, some are better than others, doesn't mean those who aren't as good aren't in contact. Also communication isn't always perfect so sometimes they may be off. They are under pressure specially John Edwards with a TV show and a reputation to live up to on it. We can argue whos fake and whos not but at the end of the day i think happygrl summed it up the best.

Also I believe have a medium come through for you does raise your vibration, you start to accept, you look positive. If we look at in in a non spiritual kind of way, a person who always moans, complains more than likely has a lot of bad stuff happen to them. By being positive and not letting people get to you, helping others, doing what you enjoy raises your vibrations up (remember im not refering to spiritual here) and well guess i dont need to go on.

These people have helped... whether we care to admit or not and we gotta be thankful, the world is changing, hopefully for the better although with recent events it doesn't seem like for a long time yet...

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Reply #29 - Feb 7th, 2006 at 5:31pm
 
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I gotta say this is starting to go round in circles now. Everyone has their personal opinions and I think this is getting in the way now of what is actually going on.

These people have gifts, some are better than others, doesn't mean those who aren't as good aren't in contact. Also communication isn't always perfect so sometimes they may be off. They are under pressure specially John Edwards with a TV show and a reputation to live up to on it. We can argue whos fake and whos not but at the end of the day i think happygrl summed it up the best.

Also I believe have a medium come through for you does raise your vibration, you start to accept, you look positive. If we look at in in a non spiritual kind of way, a person who always moans, complains more than likely has a lot of bad stuff happen to them. By being positive and not letting people get to you, helping others, doing what you enjoy raises your vibrations up (remember im not refering to spiritual here) and well guess i dont need to go on.

These people have helped... whether we care to admit or not and we gotta be thankful, the world is changing, hopefully for the better although with recent events it doesn't seem like for a long time yet...

Ryan


You are missing the point ryan, almost all these people dont have "any" gifts, and because they have no talents, they get there kicks from supposedly contacting peoples dead relatives.

Now, it's my personal oppinion, that you do not mess around with peoples grief, it's taboo. If i told you, that your gonna be dead next week, and you believed me, you sell your house, gave all your money to charity and by the time next week comes and somehow you survived, id taken your cash, sold you a lie and you have no posessions and no were to live, you would be beyond pissed, am i right? thats what fake psychics do, but they do that with peoples emotions, and the worst part is, the suckers charge you for this dis-honour.

Alot of mediums, abuse there body's, with drink and cigarettes and food, and yet they have higher vibrations then someone who  has the will power to resist temptations?

while, i agree a positive attitude is very useful, someone who has been beaten down by circumstances beyond there control, does not deserve to have more bad stuff to happen to them.
Until you experience what they have been through, i would'nt judge so harshly.

Have psychics helped people? i think so, does the number of fake frauds operating do more dmg then the good psychics do? i believe they easily do.

The world is full of selfish people, seeing goodness in every situation, is likely to lead to a world of pain.

Life is a casino, you play the odds, you have a choice wether you put all your chips on 1 number, or you be smart and put a few chips on each.

Look at mediums as a whole, to get the best perspective, instead of looking at one, and saying there the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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