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Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Reply #15 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 2:38pm

Yes Sylvia Brown is a fraud in my eyes for one reason, when Rhandi "attacked" her on Larry King's show, she never made ONE attempt to defend herself or her supposed ability,

And no, John Edwards is not the worlds best medium, he is a showman, and true, honest mediums are not meant to behave like showmen

Leslie Flint is the worlds best ever medium in my eyes next to Gordon Smith, Helen Duncan and Doris Stokes. I mean he was tested in every way and passed them all.

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Spitfire Ex Member	Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? Reply #16 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 2:55pm Im going to see old gordon smith, in march at jordie land [newcastle] He's my most favourite medium, hope he live's up to my expectations ^+
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juditha Ex Member	Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? Reply #17 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 3:11pm hi matt b1000 you are totally wrong me and deanna are definetly twins we are very close and identical twins we think and feel the same as i seem to type the same as deanna its how we are we are a like carbon copies if you were a twin you would understand that god bless juditha
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juditha Ex Member	Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? Reply #18 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 3:15pm derek acorah is a genuine medium i read his book his grandmother was also a medium i think hes one of the best god bless juditha
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Reply #19 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 4:24pm

Spit,

You pose some excellent questions here that offer a fresh angle for reflection on the nature of the afterlife. Your questions are good because they are not easily answered with confidence in any comprehensive way. Nevertheless, I will take a provisional stab at some of them.

"There must be something we cannot do [in the afterlife], otherwise there would be no point in living a physical existence."
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From my reading on the paranormal, there are at least three things that we can no longer do in the afterlife: (1) keep our thoughts and character hidden from those in contact with us; (2) live in proximity to other souls with the variety of developmental progress that we encounter on earth; (3) retain in the higher planes the same inclinations towards evil choices that give value to our free choice of the good in this life. I will briefly respond to each question in turn.

1) Much of our character is based on the fact that we can conceal our true thoughts and character from those around us. Swedenborg learns that our inability to sustain this privacy in the next more mental life dramatically changes our personality and essence. If so, we to take more seriously who we really are when nobody is looking.

(2) In the Bible, New Age thought, and paranormal research, there is a widespread consensus that the afterlife is governed by the principle of like attracts like. This implies that the diversity of our earthly communities will be replaced by a greater uniformity in the spiritual planes. Of course, we are all both similar and different in a variety of ways. So it is not entirely clear which similarities will be decisive for the "soul-sorting" process. Perhaps, we gravitate towards planes where our common traits cause us to vibrate according to the same frequency. But this is speculative.

In romance, opposites often attract. One wonders if well-matched spouses with opposite personalities will be able to cohabit on the same heavenly plane. Of course, according to Swedenborg, it will be possible to visit friends on other spiritual planes.

(3) If we eventually shed our inclinations to choose evil, it must be asked whether we retain the same quality of free will in the next life. The value of our free will is directly proportional to our ability to overcome contrary inclinations. Some Christians misinterpret the Bible to mean that believers become virtually omnipotent and morally perfect in heaven. This view undermines the value of our slow maturation process in this life. On this view, Mother Teresa and the petty Christian guttersnipe become equally advanced morally. On the contrary, the Bible agrees with the New Age consensus that we are essentially the same person right after our death.

If life evolves on our planet, it seems conceivable that the nature of the afterlife planes might evolve as well and that we might need to evolve spiritually in our "upward ascent" through them Paranormal sources suggest a very gradual transition in our future life.

"Do we get bored with the afterlife?"
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From my reading on channeling, boredom, together with an upgrade in one's energetic make-up, can serve as an important tool for signaling when we are ready to advance to a higher plane.

"Can we touch, can we smell? can we taste?"
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Paranormal sources suggest that we can exercise the equivalent of our 5 senses in the afterlife and even enjoy an emotionally and sexually charged soul merger with the opposite sex which is more satisfying than physical sex.

Don

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Reply #20 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 4:41pm

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derek acorah is a genuine medium i read his book his grandmother was also a medium i think hes one of the best god bless juditha

Are you joking? EVERY place i read contantly debunks him. At first i thought he might be genuine, but i soon could see he was nothing more than an actor.

Do a bit of research.

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juditha Ex Member	Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? Reply #21 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 4:57pm hi blacknapkins i admit he does go a bit over the top when hes doing derek acorahs ghost towns but when he does his one to one reading with someone he is usually spot on god bless juditha
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Reply #22 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 5:16pm

Take a look at this site, i'm not sure of the exact source, but i've read this before. It's about Derek's link to simon peters, and the fact that he gave him a live reading as a man not knowing him. Weeks later he had him on his show.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t33281.html

In my opinion, TAPS is a much better show, there go at their works from a skeptic standpoint, looking for truth not what they want to find.

One very interesting episode, they went into a medium's house, who claimed he talked regularly to the old owner of the house. (it was a very very old house in SC)

Anyway, he offered to give one of them a reading, he was extremely accurate, and the other main member was filming on an infared camera, because the room was completely dark.

What was so interesting, when the medium said he was going to tap into his energy, all these diffrent colors came up on the camera screen, all over the screen. Then when he was finished, he raised his hand, and droped it slightly and boom, the colors were back to normal.

I'll see if i can provide a link.

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deanna Ex Member Afterlife Knowledge Member Gender:	Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? Reply #23 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 5:35pm no matt this is deanna and i can assure you me and juditha are twins what possible purpose would it be for me to make up a lie like that about us being twins i,ll get my sistr to send a photo of me and her to prove that we are twins and not one person trying to be two deanna
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deanna Ex Member Afterlife Knowledge Member Gender:	Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? Reply #24 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 5:43pm matt i am not lying about my grandad or my dad i wouldnt do that i have always been a very honest person like that if you dont believe we are twins still i,ll give you our adresses so you can come and see for yourself deanna
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juditha Ex Member	Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? Reply #25 - Feb 2^nd, 2006 at 6:05pm hi black napkins i have got slight douts about derek on some things when he is obsessed by a spirit i sometimes wonder if that is really possible god bless juditha
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Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Reply #26 - Feb 3^rd, 2006 at 9:06am

Don, you wrote:

Paranormal sources suggest that we can exercise the equivalent of our 5 senses in the afterlife and even enjoy an emotionally and sexually charged "soul merger" more satisfying than physical sex.

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About that "soul merger", Don...
Are you saying then... that we won't have any
solidity, that we will be "puffs of flatus" (my favorite
term for the idea...)
That when we try to put our hands on our stomachs and press in the next world... our hands will pass through ourselves like we were, well... ghosts?
Or IS there solidity - i.e., can you pick up a monkey wrench and beat on a stump with it in the afterlife? Or is this impossible (due to "poofiness" and non-solidity) or is beating on stumps illegal maybe?
SO... if there IS any solidity, why no sex, just a nice prudish "soul merger"? Is the afterlife full of puritanical "rules and regulations" then, sort of a stifling place like imagine Salem, Massachusetts was back in 1692? Assuming "God" exists, is "he" really the blue-nose that the fundies like to make "him" out as??? And if so, what's so great about puritanism?( All it does in make people's lives dull and sucky...)
Please elaborate.

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Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Reply #27 - Feb 3^rd, 2006 at 10:36am

Hey Chum,

All I have read about traveling, and NDEs, suggest that the astral body is as real and as solid to them as our physical bodies are to us. However, I believe since thought is much more creative there things can be changed at will.

I also believe that should a couple wish to copulate in a physical kind of way, it will be done similar to although different than in the earth plane. So bring your mental appendages with you, if you like when the time comes, Chum.

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Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Reply #28 - Feb 3^rd, 2006 at 11:34am

Hey,

I got a few opinions on all of this so I hope i can remember and put them all out there to see what you guys think.

First of all about a physical exsistance after death, i believe this is so, well in a way. As in we still feel, my reasoning for this is when I have astral projected I have sometimes felt just like a physical person, i feel the ground underneath me, but we aren't physically limited I believe is the correct term because we can also fly out there which I have done and feel the wind? as I have been flying passing over me. However I didn't feel cold but out there I believe thoughts create reality so if i wanted to feel cold i could. But then again I am not truly "out there" as i still exsist here so maybe things will be different, but I'm sure we can still experience physical things here over there, its just we know it doesnt have to be so. Maybe a little experiement next time I porject will be to eat something lol, ill let you know the results when it happens.

That Derek bloke (sorry not sure of name) i don't have time for or believe, the things he comes up with are easily reasearched and the "being possesed" is an act I believe, i maybe wrong but on Haunted TV i don't think they find anything too amazing so get a ok-ish medium/actor and a nervous presenter to fill in the entertainment side.

I do like some people though, Gordon Smith i believe is genuine and the way he goes about sharing his gift reinforces this face. Also John Edwards, I don't believe being a showman is wrong, and kind of believe in a way he was destined to have his own TV show because look how far he can spread the message. And I sure as hell don't see him putting on any show, a simple studio with people in where he can use his abilities to help others.

I do also believe when we go to the afterlife we cannot hide thoughts/feelings and this does change us because who we really are is out there for everyone to see. Some people manage it in this lifetime to a certain extent and I always believe these are very advanced souls. I also believe though this we are more accepting and would like to believe everyone gets along with one another in a peaceful world.

I also believe however (and yes this does go agaisnt my last paragraph) that we do not suddenly change into someone else when we pass over. So if we are evil here I cannot see how we can become humble and loving over there, but maybe this is where we look over our life and learn and grow.

Also throws me onto another point, with reincarnation I can't get my head around how we can suddenly go over there and remember all our lifes and experiences as then we would HAVE to change, like instantly. Plus who are we then? I believe previous lifes influence out lifes here now, who we are, maybe karma as well and we can review them but we are who we are now when we pass.

Which leads me onto something else (sorry!), i like who i am now, to the extent that I always want to be me and wouldnt want to reincarnate and be someone else and never be me here now again...

Going to the sex topic on the boards recently, i believe it is possible and a physical exsistance is possible over there. But I do believe we can experience greater experiences of love which over time will take over the desire for sex. If we are all that we all out there, then we can love truly and be at one completly and give pure love/pull.

Also a big area is why we are here. And i truly believe to learn lessons, we are in a world where everything is what it is. Theres no changing (excluding subconcious influence), we are who we are, theres no real eveidence where we can honestly believe life after death (and i mean as a whole world thing), I can't put what I'm trying to say into words but hope its kinda coming across. The fact that we are "limited" here creates and environment where certain lessons are learnt. If we are in the afterlife we wouldnt be able to learn these and I believe we need to learn these to grow and advance spiritually.

which brings me to my last question - why the need to grow? I mean why not, we can reach a level where we are who we are and theres love and peace and we can enjoy without bad. And apprantly there are planes we can advance higher and higher through... but is there a top? And all this we all become one i find hard to accept because if we are all one, and this "thing" which we are all in has learnt all the lessons in this world/universe experience, what happens? Do we just sit there going hmmmmm... lol. I hope that comes across right.

Anyway apologises for the long posts, they put me off too but need to blow off some steam as I havent been posting on here for a little while.

Anyway like to hear what you think.

Speak to you all soon.

Ryan

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Reply #29 - Feb 3^rd, 2006 at 3:00pm

Derek acorah, is bogus - he just research's the places he goes to, most haunted is bogus, avette fielding is also bogus, anything published on living tv is bogus, and yes i like the word bogus.

@ Don,

Thanks for the reply, makes a lot of sense to me, and it fits the picture i have built up.

But what about reincarnation? what happens to the knowledge, we have gained from previous lives, if this is true? and what happens once the spirit has reached a point of maturity? there must come a point in a timeless place - were we learn all that is learnable? there must come a point, when we have reached the top plane and then, what?

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