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So, what are the limitations of the afterlife? (Read 14349 times)
Spitfire
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So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Feb 1st, 2006 at 5:55pm
 
Since deanna posted about food, it leads me to think - what cant we do in the afterlife?

Can we touch, can we smell? can we taste?

There must be somthing we cannot do, otherwise there would be no point in living a physical existance.

Is physical existance purely for certain experiences?, and what experiences here, cant you have in the atferlife?

Feelings on being mortal maybe? the experience of time? maybe we are all here because we all suck at organising, and need better time management skills?  Shocked

maybe we trade infomation about experiences - with each other in the afterlife, and then decide to try them out for ourselves?

Do we get bored with the afterlife? and decide to test ourselfs by becoming mortal?

Do we wish for a simpler existance, like someone who moves from the city into the countryside?

Anyone know of anything which we cannot do as pure consciousness?
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Reply #1 - Feb 1st, 2006 at 6:33pm
 
Hi Spitfire with a P,

Such good questions, and I won't pretend to have the answers for you.  

But would you be asking these very questions in the afterlife?  

Here on earth we have great mysteries to explore.  A lifetime can never be long enough to uncover fully the complexities of our own minds and experiences.  

I can see that you enjoy the quest.  Wouldn't that be a great reason for you to come to this earth?  To explore your own capacities as a human?  Who would need to compare?  Your own experience is incomparable and unique.

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Reply #2 - Feb 1st, 2006 at 6:51pm
 
you can have whatever you want in the afterlife the only thing what isnt the same is you have no vocal chords so you comunnicate through mind thought you cannot have sex only a union of souls i read this in a book written by a medium when we pass over we usally go on to the third plane as the spirit world is made up of seven plains and the third plane is the astral world which is more or less the same as earthbut the difference being its not physical  but your spirit can evolve and move on to higher planes if you want to you get the choice if you want to go to a football match you just think it and you will be there if you want to see loved ones who you left behind just think it and you can visit them you have more in the spirit world than you did in the physical world quote the saying riches in heaven it is a world full of pure love its beautiful god bless juditha
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Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 2:30am
 
I highly recommend you guys read John Edward's book called One Last Time, and perhapes Sylvia Browne's Life on the Other Side books. They talk highly about the nature of the spirit world and what it's like.

Mr. juditha is right when he says spirits' have no vocal cords. Spirits speak to each other through their minds. John Edward in his book One Last Time said that spirits' don't have vocal cords (and Edward seems very honest). So when they speak to him, they use words and symbols put into his mind by the spirits.

From all the information I've gathered over the years, the information from psychic books, astral projection websites, ect, the spirit world is where spirits evolve to become perfected spirits. The earth is like a "school" for spirits.
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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 3:54am
 
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Since deanna posted about food, it leads me to think - what cant we do in the afterlife?


 
  The great value i see in the physical dimension, which is unique to the physical dimension...is that unlike in the astral and mental dimensions, you can be surrounded by those not of like mind, energy, and belief systems...  This changes the whole nature of the ball game.

  So, basically the physical Earth differs, in that it seems to be universally about challenge, testing, conflict, and growth through overcoming such. 

  In many of the astral and mental dimensions, everyone more or less agrees with you, and is more or less like you...

  Mighty hard to deeply grow in such an atmosphere, it just doesn't test the soul much (unless you're in a astral hell, but it doesn't seem like many on average phase there)...  And thats why i think there is a high demand for physical earth lives...  a greater catalyst, a stronger impetus.

  That's why i don't dislike and judge temporary conflict and inharmony so much anymore.   I don't actively try to manifest it, but if it naturally arises, i don't run away, avoid, or pretend it doesn't exist.  I try to face the issue.

  Astrology is a great tool to see oneself more objectively than normally would be possible...especially the unconscious aspects of self.

  The Moon sign, placements, and aspects particularly show some of the more major themes of unconsciousness.

  For example, i have Moon in Libra.   I use to be pretty attached to wanting to be liked, to be seen/perceived as kind, and i could be rather passive.    I was very attached to close personal relationships, and always desired harmony and peace...  Sometimes it became 'peace at a price', meaning i would not authentically be myself, i was somewhat of a people pleaser and needing to get along.   If i felt an unpleasant emotion, or anger, etc. i would try to repress it...

  Eventually realized that my Moon in Libra tendencies were holding me back, and i realized that there was nothing 'wrong' with standing up for self, disagreeing with others, etc.    I left behind the negative and unconscious traits of Moon in Libra, and was left with trying to be fair, balanced, with perspective on my deeper emotional self (doesn't always happen).

My point, well Moon in Libra innately longs for the harmony of the astral and mental dimensions, its almost like this position shows one strongly remembering that, and is attached to it...

  And this obviously conflicts or contradicts the purpose of Earth and being here.   

  I think eventually, as we deeply develop spiritually, we become more and more detached to the outer around us, and the Earth is the testing ground for this... to practice detachment, especially to self.   Anyone can smile or be kind when things are going good and easy, but smiling or being kind through difficulty is a whole nother ball game, or so i've been constantly learning.

  But yeah, its nice we all eventually get a break Wink  Right now, i'm enjoying my stay and catalysts (well, occasionally i scream "get me out of here!") Roll Eyes

  Take care Mr. SpitFire
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 8:51am
 
hi ryanparis im a mrs not a mister  i read what you said i have seen john edwards on television and i think he is one of the best mediums ive seen god bless you juditha
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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 8:54am
 
hi ryan the reaon i got fred flintstone as my picture is because my dad looked just like him bless you juditha
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Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 9:30am
 
you can have whatever you want in the afterlife the only thing what isnt the same is you have no vocal chords so you comunnicate through mind thought you cannot have sex only a union of souls i read this in a book written by a medium when we pass over we usally go on to the third plane as the spirit world is made up of seven plains and the third plane is the astral world which is more or less the same as earthbut the difference being its not physical  but your spirit can evolve and move on to higher planes if you want to you get the choice if you want to go to a football match you just think it and you will be there if you want to see loved ones who you left behind just think it and you can visit them you have more in the spirit world than you did in the physical world quote the saying riches in heaven it is a world full of pure love its beautiful god bless juditha
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Lemme see... you can play football (a PHYSICAL activity) or at least attend a game...
But no sex? This doesn't compute, Juditha. If you
can chase after an inflatable toy and tackle opponents, why can't you do the wild thing? Or is the power of imagination insufficient to materialize whatever you please (such as a solid-feeling "body"? Or will we be insubstantial, like little puffs of flatus - and we won't be able to experience "solidity" at all..?)
Or is it because of puritanical "regulations" in
the afterlife, and only things that Ned Flanders
would enjoy, are allowed?
Please elaborate...

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Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 9:44am
 
B-man,

From what has been written, sex can occur in the afterlife.  It is obviously different as our senses without a body are "astral senses," and organs, etc.  With the mind one can create virtually anything. 

Without the rules of earthly society, or belief systems, etc. the need to have sex may be different for different people.  I would like to think that the option is available.


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Re: So, what are the limitations of the afterlife?
Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 10:16am
 
hi spitfire their are no limitations in the spirit world your free to do what you want god gave us free will on earth and free will in the spirit world when we eventually go there but you do not have vocal chords you communicate with your mind when you go there you dont feel pain anymore it is a serene peaceful existence and no you cant have physical love anymore but you can still feel love for someone and they for you love is all around in the spirit realms  deanna
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Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 10:34am
 
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I highly recommend you guys read John Edward's book called One Last Time, and perhapes Sylvia Browne's Life on the Other Side books. They talk highly about the nature of the spirit world and what it's like.



Hhhhhmmmm, I don't know much about John Edward but I wouldn't necessarily believe everything Sylvia Browne says.
She manages to get some of the things correctly but others .... are just pure fabrication. For example She claims evil souls die and reincarnate almost straight away to make up for the evil. She calls this the horse shoe effect or something.  Roll Eyes
She also claims we are all fluent in a dead language (can't remember which one) in the afterlife and that's what we use to communicate in thought. *sighs*
I also read in one of her books in the afterlife there is a statue of the mother God somewhere and I'm still trying to digest that one.
I could go on and on. She might not make everything up and probably she does have some kind of gift but I wouldn't recommend her books to a skeptic like Spitfire who tries to find the proof just as much as he tries to expose the afterlife as a fraud.
I would really recommend Michael Newton books. He put together the testimonies of clients that he was able to take back to the time between incarnations by the means of hypnosis. Past the subsconscious mind and into the superconscious.
I am reading now his "Journey of Souls" book and it really is fascinating.

Peace.

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Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 10:42am
 
Sylvia Browne is a total fraud in my opinion.

juditha and deanna are the same person in my opinion. The same person contructs sentences without fullstops and capital letters etc. Even if they were "twins", it is highly unlikley that they would share the EXACT same writing/typing skills.

It is a shame that this person is trying to write as 2 people as, in my opinion, it makes the stories of her Grandad and Father less credible.

I could be wrong about this but I cannot see why a person would wish to write as 2 separate people!

I am not a hard nose skeptic, but I do not like being taken for an idiot either.



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Reply #12 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 1:45pm
 
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hi ryanparis im a mrs not a mister  i read what you said i have seen john edwards on television and i think he is one of the best mediums ive seen god bless you juditha


What do you think of Leslie Flint? He passed away in 94 i think it was. As far as I am concerned he is one if not the only medium who went under extensive tests, and passed.

I encourage you all to check him out, he and his sitters recorded alot of diffrent Direct Voice recordings. Some are really interesting, all of them are similar in nature. Alot even talk about how hard it is to 'retreive' people who pass over and have very strong religious beliefs, they are stuck in one plane.

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Sylvia Browne is a total fraud in my opinion.

juditha and deanna are the same person in my opinion. The same person contructs sentences without fullstops and capital letters etc. Even if they were "twins", it is highly unlikley that they would share the EXACT same writing/typing skills.

It is a shame that this person is trying to write as 2 people as, in my opinion, it makes the stories of her Grandad and Father less credible.

I could be wrong about this but I cannot see why a person would wish to write as 2 separate people!

I am not a hard nose skeptic, but I do not like being taken for an idiot either.





I noticed that as well.

But you said it not me. :p
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Reply #13 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 2:17pm
 
hi napkin,

Ive seen infomation about leslie flint, someone posted a website about him quite some time ago.

The tests were quite impressive, it was just some of the things he said, that children were still children in the afterlife, and i thought it was commonly believed among psychics/ober's that we all gain access to infomation we acquired from previous lives.
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Reply #14 - Feb 2nd, 2006 at 2:27pm
 
I would imagine that we are all similar to the way we are when we die, as our minds are what they are.  A young child may not understand much, and I'm not sure, but I've heard that for this reason they need to be schooled and taught after they pass on.  They don't just magically become adults; this all makes sense to me, as if a consciousness allowed itself to start from scratch, it might not be developed enough if the physical body died at a very young age, to cope with things.

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