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Reply #30 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 12:41pm
 
Hi Ottawa,

I don't believe that such cases where obtained information has to be later needed to be checked out as accurate (and is indeed accurate) is necessarily rare ( I seemed to stumble across quite a few examples when I was particularly interested in mental mediumship a few years back).

But the skeptic can always suggest that the medium is simply picking up 'dead' stored information as in a kind of cosmic hard drive e.g Jung's collective consiousness via ESP. This muddies the waters slightly in that presumably mediums do indeed use a process of ESP to obtain their readings from living spirits. However, mediums say that they differ from other psychics in that ' all mediums are psychics but not all psychics are mediums'. By this I think they mean that there is a difference between a psychic reading e.g. using psychometry to obtain 'dead' memories from an object such as a watch and connecting with a living evolving spirit.

How do they know the difference ? That is one of the questions being asked currently by the Windbridge Institute. The answer their mediums  seem to give is that the information received 'feels' different i.e. it demonstrates intentionality, humour , sadness, love etc. i.e all those things which we believe makes us living, conscious people and them that they are dealing with such people.

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Reply #31 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 12:51pm
 
Here's an example that goes beyond telepathy. A while ago I was meditating one night and I suddenly saw a pencil. The name of a man I knew who had just recently died was on the pencil. I'll call him Dan. Dan showed me where he lived in the spirit World. Then the scene changed. He wanted to let me know that he can experience more than one scene according to his desire.

Then he showed me where his cousin (also a deceased person) lives. We were on a mountain that overlooked a valley. Then he let me know that sometimes his cousin stays in the valley.

I asked for information I could verify. He told me Mount Rushmore and a state name (I don't remember which state) where Mount Rushmore isn't located. This puzzled me and I looked up this state and Mount Rushmore on the internet. It turns out there was a conference held in the non-Mount Rushmore state that served the purpose of trying to determine if the carving of another person should be added to Mount Rushmore. I didn't know about this beforehand. This is an example of verification by receiving information you don't know beforehand.

I also received the name of an admiral. I can't remember the name, but anyway, I did an internet search with this name and eventually found that Dan served on a Navy ship that was named after the admiral for which I was given a name. The crew that Dan served with posted an obituary that annonced his death. I knew that Dan was in the Navy but I didn't know what ship he served on.

I do not believe that the above example matches the telepathy theorem.
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Reply #32 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
Hi Heisenberg,
I am a member of Windbridge and know of the research. They have not published final findings, but yes, it seems that there is a difference in what they "feel" when doing psychic readings compared to mediumship readings.
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Reply #33 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 1:48pm
 
Recoverer, those two examples of yours are really good ones.
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Reply #34 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 2:04pm
 
Ottawa1:

Thank you for saying so.

I'm posting the below again because it looks like this thread might add pages quickly and I don't want the below to get lost because I believe it is highly relevant to what is being discussed.

-I believe that there are some genuine mediums who know that it is more than a matter of reading minds. When you communicate with spirits more than picking up on thoughts can be experienced. You can feel that you are interacting with a spirit. Spirits can do things such as move up to you and hug you in a non-physical way. They can share their feelings and humor with you.  You can tell that a conscious/thinking being is trying to communicate with you.

The kind of experiences I spoke of above don't go away because of how one person responded in a test situation.

We need to remember that spirits aren't in one part of the physical universe while we are in a completely different part. It is a matter of whether or not we can make an energetic connection. Therefore, our deceased loved ones can never be too far away from us.

Experience matters more than intellect based opinions.
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Reply #35 - Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:23pm
 
i didnt realise grandads chicken hoppalong would be so popular  i bet hes clucking like mad in heaven saying im a famous chicken love dianna alias deanna xxxxxxxx
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