Happygirl,

You parrot the mantra of the mindless New Age ghetto: "I don't believe in demons any more than I believe in angels." It is time to reissue my frequent challenge before which New Agers cringe like Bambi in the headlights. Happy girl, I dare you to wake up, smell the coffee, and actually read the other point of view: Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil."   I've never encountered anyone who has read that book and remained skeptical of the reality of the demonic.  It is for good reason that Martin is the most mesmerizing guest ever to appear on the New Age radio program "Coast to Coast."  When I was a college professor,  I dared one smug cynic to read that book.  A few weeks later he came to me, broken in spirit, and confessed that the book was absolutely compelling, but it gave him acute insomnia to the extent that he couldn't bear to finish it.

My own family has had chilling experiences with the demonic which I'd be glad to share if you wish.   But if, like most on this site, you are determined to whistle past the religion section of Barnes and Noble and head directly to the New Age section, then at least read New Ager Robert Bruce's book on countermeasures to demonic infestation.  He has witnessed demons kill young children from the astral.  

My own cousin (now a psychiatrist), was temporarily possessed by a demon the moment his Dad had successfully exorcised a lady.  Only the prayers of my cousin's parents spared him from an extended devastating possession.  My own brother was paranormally given the name and location of a possessed young man and rushed to the location, challenged the demon in th presence of many witnesses, and performed the life-changing exorcism.   Demons are very real and have the power to kill, as Martin's case histories make chillingly clear.  I'm sorry to be so strident, but that's the only way I can hope to motivate New Agers to reassess their positions, and, thus, alert them to very real negative non-human spirits.

Don  

Don,

Why don't you accept the fact that a discarnate human spirit, who has done evil in his/her life may try to interfere with people in our physical plane?  Why does a demon have to be "non-human?"  Stuck souls of a "lower  vibration," and may stick to people or places.  One could easily imagine an attack from the astral of Monroe's focus 23 by another's energy.  Children may be prime targets.  If this is what you sense in happygirl, then sure warn her to stay away. 


If there are guides or angels, I have no doubt there are spiritual entities bent on harm.  Perhaps demons who are non-human.   However, we in the physical plane likely have a lot more control over our paths than an entity from an adjacent one.

Has your readings on possession documented possessed people of the Jewish faith?  Or Muslim? Why do those of christian faith always seem to be possesssed by the devil, or speak in tongues?   Do you personally know of these instances in other faiths?  If not, why not?  I am a physician and have met and known literally thousands of people over more than 38 years of life.  I have yet to see one case of possession, unless you believe that all schizophrenic patients are possessed.  Why would that be that I or my friends and family have never encountered it?  Take each member of the board, have them think of the hundreds or thousands they have known.  Guess what - probably no possessions.  So, when and if it occurs, it is exceedingly rare.

Now some such as Robert Bruce would disagree.  He seems to feel that we are constantly under the influence of little angels and demons perched on our shoulders, affecting our actions all day long.  Wrong and boring.  Where would our free will be, if this were the case?

So, Don I agree - keep an open mind to the possibilities.  But you too should keep an open mind about the nature of these "evil spirits" and their true power or lack thereof.  Whether they are former humans gone astray, whether their is true "evil," and what the implications are for our universe.

Matthew

Don,

I'm not saying I won't take you up on your challenge I'm saying it doesn't matter because your alternative viewpoint is based in fear and I have no fear that this is a demon.  They do not exist in my belief system they exist in yours however and I would be more afraid for you than I could ever be for me.

Blessings,
happygrl

Don,

It's quite funny really the entity that has attached itself to my energy sounds a lot like you.

Blessings,
happygrl

Thank you Mairlyn. 

Don,

Just for you I've put a hold on a copy of the Martin book at my local library and will pick it up in a few days.  I also found another one that sounded quite interesting by M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil.  I'm going to pick that up too and I'll let you know who wins.

Blessings,
happygrl

Two more items for my esteemed colleague Don:

1.  It is not fear that prevents me from reading Martin's book.  I may do it; but doing so and indulging in another's well woven tale is not required to chime in with in opinion on these issues.

2.  There are more than 2000 people registered on this website.   I venture to say that beside you, not one of them has seen a verified demonic possession.  If you calculate the thousands of people they know, you come out with millions who we personally know are not possessed, and almost none who might have been.  Why?

I won't include obvious cases such as paranoid schizophrenics or bipolar people as being possessed.  If you wish to talk of demons, it is an entirely different matter.

But why concentrate on the rare possession or demons?  In what way does that help us sort out our nobler goals and aspirations?  Not as a negative example or an example of hell.  If what has been described of the astral is true, then hellish entities have such a low vibration that they can't see the higher planes (Swedenborg), although beings from higher planes can look down on all.

I believe conquering fear is a key factor in achieving our personal goals and realizing our true nature.  I think threads regarding it are important on the forum.  I'm still trying to figure out the value in exploring the demonic.  This is not turning away from it out of fear.  Just the idea that reading about possession will not help me on my spiritual journey.

And you are also loved on the board too, Don, except when you fling adjectives and caricatures at individuals.  Or classify us as a ghetto.  I find my personal beliefs quite different from some others in the "ghetto", but I deeply respect them.  You do try to stir the pot, and I am fairly immune to it (afterall we are all big boys and girls).  But your presence is important here.


Matthew

Quite obviously, there exist beings from an infinitum of different races, origins, natures, types, worlds and vibratory levels.

Of the category of beings that are apparently the object of discussion in this thread, only a handful have ever been human, that is to say, ever had a human physical body on Earth. Some are from other planets, other worlds, including the ones who might be called 'fallen' angels (see Hilarion on Dark Brothers and Hilarion on Angels).


Much can be written on the nature, purpose or actions of these beings. However, the bottomline of the matter, the final analysis as to the true nature of these beings, is exactly as Dr Dave_mbs puts it (though paraphrased by yours truly, Kyo) :


There is no such thing as a true demonic being, only beings which, due to a lack of self-love and clarity, may in confusion regard itself as 'demonic'.


(This bottomline, is evidenced by the work of past life therapists and spirit releasement therapists Louise Ireland-Frey and (the late) Dr William Baldwin, in which they demonstrate without fail in *every* single case, guiding each and every confused being they encounter, to re-discover it's own true nature and essence : that of Light, that of God, that of Love.)


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Not only are we in the physical *meant* to have more control and power than the confused extraphysicals, whom are actually unconsciously crying out for help, we incarnate humans in the physical indeed have a tremendous responsibility to support and assist our extraphysical brethren (of all natures, from the intruders to the guides & helpers) by our willingness to see reality clearly without f.e.a.r. (false evidence/ideas appearing as real), and by our willingness to understand reality in the clarity of love & wisdom.

Only in this way, by first being ourselves empowered in clarity & love (instead of being ludicrously misguided by fearful misconceptions of 'evil' or 'demons'; as illustrated analogously by this hilarious parody on dogma), can we possibly hope to carry out our responsibility, to powerfully support our guide & helper brethren in assisting our confused brethren (regardless of their race or nature, because ultimately are not all beings the same? all but simultaneous sparks of God/Oneness) to break out of their self-imagined darkness and denial of self-love.

Hilarion affirms this when he speaks of the total number of beings both intraphysical & extraphysical that currently inhabit this karmic jurisdiction we call Earth (the approximate ratio is 1 intraphysical human : 3 intruders : 3 neutrals : 3 guides & helpers)


"The beautiful thing about this equation is for a large extent, even though the nonphysical beings outnumber you nine to one; being in the physical body you have way more power." - Hilarion (Fall 2005).


In conclusion, it is of utmost importance that we understand the bottomline of the situation, such as iterated by Dr Dave_mbs (though paraphrased by yours truly, Kyo). Because if even *we* (who are outside the confusion) are unwilling to see this simple truth, how can we expect our confused brethren (caught up in the maelstrom of misconception) to do so?

Understand this well, and do not ever hesistate to share this compassionate understanding freely with all beings who are struggling needlessly with this in f.e.a.r. (false evidence/ideas appearing as real), simply because you care, simply because you are willing to care.


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There is no such thing as a true demonic being, only beings which, due to a lack of self-love and clarity, may in confusion regard itself as 'demonic'.

There is no such thing as true darkness or evil, only a self-imagined lack of light (ie. the light of love), due only to a lack of clarity.


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Epilogue :

And whom better to speak on the Wisdom and Light of Love to wash away the illusions of confusion, than our most beloved brother Sananda (Jesus Christ) himself :

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_JesusChristSana...