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Vaya Con Dios!
Jan 11th, 2006 at 2:40pm
 
This is a goodbye speech. sorry if it’s so long..but I’ve turned into a writer in the last few years, so what do you expect? writers have a lot of words; sometimes empty, sometimes full of meaning.
Like I said before, thanks Bruce, you gave me a place to blossom. I’ll never forget you and Rosalie for concieving of an internet space where retrievers could compare notes and get better at it. And where the broken hearted could come and ask that single most important question “will I ever see my beloved again?” Does life continue?
It’s these I wanted to comfort because I have my knowing about that. I’ve known since I was 18. It’s all in the book. Bruce and his friends know too. Why do you think Bruce would put up a board unless he wanted you all to know this too?
How unselfish is that? To give humanity a place to dance and brawl and even sometimes touch each other in joy of having found like minds.
I’m calm and happy and sad all at the same time, but I need to get something off my chest. I guess I had the wrong idea here. I thought that this board was to talk about Bruce’s books and about retreiving and paranormal experiences that turn into normal experiences and about being respectful to each other. I hardly ever hear someone say wow, Bruce, you wrote some fine books and what about this point or that point, or; this happened to me and I wanted to share, to see if it happened to another, and btw, it’s great to find you guys. I don’t hear much of that lately. I don’t hear spirit talking anymore to me here.
except to say all good things end. I did say to spirit a lot, not my will, but yours, tell me where you want my feet to go, tell me what you want my lips to say and spirit said go to Afterlife Knowledge Conversation back in 2001.
was happy as a pig in mud. Now it’s ending.

I just want to remind all the testosterone driven energy here whose house you’ve slipped into as you prepare to dual wits with one another. this aint no church. This is a basin of humanity and pigs fly here; or at least they think they can. At the same time that we got a town here with everything, keep in mind to study books of all sorts, don’t just express a long list of questions a mile long and expect to get your enlightenment in this place all at once..if ever. You do your own soul work. Keep in mind somebody has allowed you a place to speak your mind a bit too freely, and keep in mind it’s not your due that another read you; it’s an honor if they read you at all. If they take the time to respond to you, thats an honor too. So try to be kind to each other is all I’m saying. Haven’t seen much human kindness overflowing here as I said.
There’s some strong lights that are here; they are balanced polarity. I don’t need to point them out. They know who they are. I trust these balanced ones to be gentle and give hope to the ones who come here wishing to believe. It was these hopeful ones who asked after their departed ones who always made my day, if they took my word on the subject seriously and sometimes they did, so we uplifted each other; theres no other reason to live my p.o.v. than to uplift one another or to make a friend.

I’m becoming balanced more each day, so I assume its that way for all. but mostly I was born the passive polarity: I’m the other half of the unit who cleans house and prepares a meal in the kitchen; I raise your kids and have to go to you for money if I need it or get out in the world and make my own money AND raise the kids. If u get angry and can’t find the dog to kick, u can take it out on me because my energy generally is not aggressive. Keep in mind spirit has donned these polarity roles...it’s not permanent. if you’ve been abusive, I’ve agreed to be abused..but once we get on the other side, you’ll feel the same feelings you’ve caused another to feel; so why not start getting in balance now, not wait for death to tally up the score sheet to see who owes who what?

It’s not going to be a man’s world in the future guys, so get used to it. It’s going to be a man AND a woman’s world in perfect balance and synchronicity. All I’m saying it’s ok for men to express their softer side, their feelings while being whatever, manly...cough..balance in all things..moderation of lip-flapping.

I say all this because some of the guys here are flat out insensitive to feelings in their hunger for knowledge; they think the intellect rules supreme. They may have been taught to stuff their feelings by society which thinks such is not manly to express. they bluster and preen, forgetting it is the polarity which causes them to preem in the first place. so don’t be thinking your witty intellectual exchanges here come from having a balanced perspective.Maybe something like a miracle can happen on this board and in the world if we just keep uniting in our common purposes to give each other a little space and not destroy someone elses thoughts and/or expression of a feeling.

this is mostly off topic, yet my complaint is we often get off topic; sometimes it’s good to get off topic, other times, it’s rude to get off the topic that someone started and so far off that you wind up talking about yourself personally and forget to tie it all together, what was the original thread? then the original poster has a feeling. wow, consider that! a feeling! who’d a thunk? Give the original poster a break. They came there with a question to explore, or maybe they just want someone to recognize that they are alive and sharing your space, or a story they have. for pete’s sake, let them have their own thread unmolested by drivel, slander, whatever else. You got something to say, make your own thread in that case. it’s up to you to glance up to the topic and ask yourself am I giving what was asked for to life? or am I getting off track with my own tunnel vision? am I board hogging or am I reading others? Is there someone here today that needs me? Can I serve someone? or does one here have a message for me?

I’m going to post this, but not sure I’ll be back to read any response although I wish to say how much I LOVE (oh, no, I’m expressing a sappy feeling, somebody stop me!) I LOVE LOVE LOVE these people more than I love the others so I’m clearly unbalanced still: Doc, Dave, Spooky, Sasuke, (sorry, it’s hard for me to remember your spelling) George, Jean, Mairlyn, Kyo, can’t think of offhand all the many who have come and gone and may still be lurking whom have touched my spirit in some way, so sorry if I left out your name. I’m sure I’ll remember sometime all of these; I’ve been here so long, it’s hard to remember. One I will remember clearly is Bruce, and so beseech you all to remember the founder here respectfully, whatever else your intentions are for being here.

it’s been real.
also, this just my experience, I'm sure everybody has a different experience and that's the way it's supposed to be. see ya all on the other side someday. alysia
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 3:09pm
 
I completely agree with you, Alysia.  Your post was full of emotion, and I know exactly what you mean. 

I will always be thankful to you for helping to point me in the right direction (regarding other forums), and I will continue to read you other places.   Grin

So this isn't a "goodbye" for me.  Just a note to say that I appreciated your post.
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 3:48pm
 
While im sorry to see you leave, you could really do with some grit my friend, your way to easily upset.

Someone slaps you, you slap them back. you dont go off and cry for a week.

if you believe something without doubt, you would fight till the last to prove your point, and never give up.

at linns forum, all you get is people posting happy chappy posts, which question nothing and all you do is just pat each other on the back. You learn nothing that way.

From strife, comes truth.
Dont take any crap from no one.
Take some pride in yourself.

Best advice i can give you.
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 4:27pm
 
Hey Alicia,

It just so happens that I have a couple of dudes who are friends of mine on this board who have recently mentioned some goings on around here. It piqued my curiosity enough to visit after quite a long sabbatical. As much as I LOVE my aforementioned dude friends, and I DO love them very much, I have to reply now to you as well after reading this post, because I LOVE you too!!! I am sorry for whatever has occurred.

I had a vision one time in the restroom of a friend's sports bar of all places. I saw all physical bodies as dark shadows, but with magnificant and glorious BEINGS beside them. It lasted a matter of seconds, but enough to make me tremble. It is a pity that we don't realize WHO we really are in this worldly experience, and that we don't honor each other as such. Someday. I respect your kind and loving heart! I wish you well! To my dude friends, I respect your kind and loving hearts as well! I LOVE you all!!!
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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 4:29pm
 
Its a shame if you go. I dont post on here much but do enjoy reading your posts Grin.

Some people struggle to handle things when the unexpected happens. For me, recently I got 2 validations but was struggling to block my doubts on whether they were passed memories and was looking for guidance in this area Undecided

I am guilty of asking a lot of questions recently but am also beginning to develop things on my own. I have started this week by using Bob Monroe's gateway hemi-sync. I also find a certain truth in Bruce's articles and have now gotten he's 2nd book.

I do not really come here for people like spitfire or chumley, not because of their skeptical views but mainly because I feel this board is about learning and balance and people who reply in a balanced and understanding manner earn my respect much more.

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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 4:58pm
 
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I do not really come here for people like spitfire or chumley, not because of their skeptical views but mainly because I feel this board is about learning and balance and people who reply in a balanced and understanding manner earn my respect much more.


As a sign of respect, i wont give you an ear bashing but dont use my name unless you'd like one.

Thank you.
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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 7:56pm
 
Alysia,

I don't like goodbyes, and will seek you and others out elsewhere too.  You have had a profoundly positive effect here, with meaningful posts and wisdom.  I do understand, very well and will miss you here, but not everywhere.


Love,

Matthew
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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 9:27pm
 
Hi Alysia-

" I’m calm and happy and sad all at the same time, but I need to get something off my chest. I guess I had the wrong idea here. I thought that this board was to talk about Bruce’s books and about retreiving and paranormal experiences that turn into normal experiences and about being respectful to each other. I hardly ever hear someone say wow, Bruce, you wrote some fine books and what about this point or that point, or; this happened to me and I wanted to share, to see if it happened to another, and btw, it’s great to find you guys. I don’t hear much of that lately. I don’t hear spirit talking anymore to me here.
except to say all good things end. I did say to spirit a lot, not my will, but yours, tell me where you want my feet to go, tell me what you want my lips to say and spirit said go to Afterlife Knowledge Conversation back in 2001.
was happy as a pig in mud. Now it’s ending. "

I dunno - what I hear is a lot of echoes down the canyons of empty minds (like my own) in which the initial words get garbled, but the tone of the statements lingers on, causes discussions, causes restatements in different tongues, causes skeptics to skepticize, causes dogmatists to bark etc. To these echoes you have added a musical sound of love-  and I may have missed  something, but I get the impression that that's been Bruce's message all along - that and the need to sell some books - so that we won't just ask questions about what page was that idea nd how to understand it, but actually to practice the books in the sense in which they were written. In fact, in that specific sense, you're doing it, like it or nay, and quite well too! 

Love
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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 3:06am
 
Well, Mattb1000... that's the way the cookie
crumbles, I guess. I'm a skeptic and won't change
that to please people, I'm not a people
pleaser. (Why bust my tail trying to be
somebody I'm not?)
To Alysia... thanks for trying to help with Pat
back in September. Good luck to you.

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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 2:00pm
 
Alysia you are my favourite poster (next to Gordon Phinn) and I will see you at Linns (as well as elsewhere including 'home' as Bob M says)

I mean geez I was so overjoyed when I spotted Bruce's site years ago to find help because I felt like a wierdo having my unexplained experiences.
Imagine coming out publicly about all this stuff.
Not me I am too chicken buk! buk!bok! bok!

I look at Bruce and Rosalind etc. as being brave and thick skinned because you have to put up with a lot of abuse (sometimes) or wierd looks.

I still check into this site every now and then (once a week) and glean over the constructive discussions but yes this site has changed and seems to have a little more ego jousting going on than it did before.

Several years ago people tried to help each other more and now it seems they try to tear each other down.

Gordon said something perfect years ago about (I'm paraphrasing here)how some people quest for knowledge so hard that every piece of knowledge becomes like another log in a log jam of the mind and that love seems  like some cosmic sappy joke.

I wish I had the exact quote but I left it in Canada in my journal and I am on vacation in Oaxaca State Mexico right now typing this out in an internet cafe.

Anyhoo I think this site will change again and again and again so I will keep swinging by.

See ya'll

Grant

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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 6:22pm
 
thanks you all for your replies. I see there is hope after all. take care, alysia
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 7:03pm
 
Hi Alysia, I too know I can find you over at Linn's!  I will miss reading you here because I know you have a lot to offer, and you may not realize it, but people learn from you here even if they don't tell you that. 

But I do have to say it is a shame when "all the old great posters from the past who used to really love this site" keep on leaving it.  Well, of course it is going to change then.  If everyone who made this site what it once was decides to leave, then there's no way it can stay the same. 

I've only been on this board for a year so I don't have years and years to compare how it used to be and how it is now.   But people come and go, that's just natural. 

I personally am still on a mission to learn the art of retrieval, as well as lots of other paranormal/spiritual stuff, and I have a lot of people, especially Bruce, to thank for teaching me what I have learned so far.  So I know I'm not done here yet.  As for others here like me, I hope you stay as well so that we can keep on learning from each other. 

Love, Vicky

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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 9:15pm
 
Thanks for all your encouraging, hopeful and lovely posts and your care for other people, especially the newbies. Well, and I guess this is not the last time I hear from you. There are other places and occasions to have a nice meeting, right?
Bye, Spooky

P.S. And yes, your reminder that's not only a man's world, we guys I think need it from time to time. When I had my first girlfriend, suddenly I awoke somehow, and saw what a different approach women can have to the world and to keep this in mind to get balanced is a good thing.
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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 11:23pm
 
  Hi Alysia,

  Don't know where to begin...  I'm just gonna speak from the heart here...

  I haven't been to nice lately, especially to you.  There is no excuse for that, and i will balance my karma some way or another...

There's no excuse for it, but i just want you to know that despite my judgmentalness lately, i have always liked and respected you on many levels.

  I'm asking you to have compassion for me, despite the hurtful things that have happened on both sides.

  My life has been crazy, its been one wave of testing and challenge after another, and another, and i've been feeling hurt a lot lately, and sometimes even angry, and i want you to know that some of the negative things i've said have come out of that, and deep down thats not what i really feel...

  I remember when i first found this site, way back when.  I couldn't post because the way Bruce had things set up, you needed a IP email addy, and i didn't have I-net of my own...  But for a year i came here and read, and read, and read fascinated, and in love...

  One of the people on here, i really resonated with, and loved to read their posts with the laughter, and the deep talking about PUL, and i really thought "Wow, what a really Kool and interesting person!"

  That was you, and then i finally got to join, and for almost a year we talked here and there of love, of life, of spirituality...  You are my friend, and i haven't been much of a friend latley, and i realize that... my own pain and ego has blinded me, and my center has been swaying back and forth...

  I just want to thank you for being my friend, and being YOU, cause you're a beautiful person...  And so what that we see things differently sometimes?   In the end, we're all balancers for each other, and there is no definite right and wrongs between old friends who have known each other for a very, very, very long time.

  I've been doing  a lot of soul searching lately, and when i think of some of the things i've said to you especially, it hurts to know that i hurt you with callus remarks which i thought would 'teach' you about something...  You don't need that from me, life is a good enough teacher as it is, and i'm not on the level to be doing that in a completely helpful manner...

  So shine on, and remember how we use to get along, talk, and share...  There has been a lot more positivity between us than negativity... a lot more and for a lot longer, and doesn't that count for something?

With Love and deep Appreciation,
Justin
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Reply #14 - Jan 13th, 2006 at 4:34pm
 
beautiful soul searching post Justin. I think I just started respecting you again. I know you were hurt bad lately. I'm sorry what came down on you. I couldn't do nothing about it but hope you would come out on top. looks like you are ok now. Wink once u said u put me on a pedestal..now I think u know I'm human, not an angel at all. I came here to be a human and loving it and maybe thats what you are doing too. dont u worry about a thing, this board will continue to draw light from the spirit world and some of us will get our answers here and some won't, but for sure change is the only constant in life and I see a wonderful future for humanity even if others don't. and your pick, pick, pick on me only made me own my truth as you must have know I would get strong that way, or at least your higher self knew, put it that way.

truth is all you wonderful driven people and not driven people...I have more books on the stove. it takes all my concentration just to come up with a sentence that feels right. so back to the drawing board and its because of you out there, all of you, that I got something to write about...so yeaahaaaa!!!!!
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