PS to former 'in the eyes" post
I exaggerate my posted responses sometimes. This topic  has so many sober aspects that have been brought up that I was just trying to lighten things up abit. More somberly--
If one monkey could communicate the idea of hell to some others, I suspect soon there'd be a monkey hell.  Monkeys, wolves, and others can imagine (?) being punished by the group, hence their observance of social hierarchies ("If you step out of line there'll be hell to pay.") Hell could be just fear of punishment, with imagined trappings added thru the ages.
(I cannot believe however that heaven can be imagined into being. It's impossible to imagine something that is qualitatively so more than we've experienced, complete with new qualities of Light not experienced from our sun.)

This is a collecting ground for people in transition from this dimension. And those who have experienced someone they know who have passed and have questioned the afterlife.

on topic,
Some people are absolutely decided in their beliefs, for instance, suicide bomber. Very absolute in their their view of the afterlife.
But more importantly is their cause.
And their cause is reform. And so it is their reform influencing us. Because terrorists, have influenced us to reform also. You see how that works?
We have adjusted and reformed nation to accomadate a terrorist threat... the joke is seriously on us, let me explain.

. Its no coincidence that their are places attacked by a suicide bomber, because that in itself is benificial to reform the area that was itself seeking reform.

As well, you cant say a country that drops bombs on other places is not to blame for small groups that retaliate, in some way.
Niether side is justified. And its not pretty. But is a method of change. One among many influences that effects the direction of this world at large and also reflect each individuals own conflicts collectively.

Key word acceptance.  No conflict if their is acceptance, i suppose, wouldnt you think?...even before the explosions....no acceptance...we dont accept them, they dont accept us....on practically the other side of the world..
war always reeks of the worst case scenario of a judgement and violence is always the caving into the feeling of aggression.
hmm

Propriety and sancity are the birthright of the person who dies in conflict. They are termed brave and strong and warriors.
The japenese have the kamakazee pilots....

Americans, place the value on life and freedom, but dont accept the freedom of others to blow them up too?

A conflict of hypocrits.

I used to have resentment for terrorists for obvious reasons. But then i began to realize our side is doing the same thing to them, that they are doing to us.
David verse goliath.
a slingshot verse a giant....

So propriety and sancity are the birthright of war itself.
War is about gain. Vilolence is triggered by the carrot of gain being dangled in front of the persons who fight not for freedom, but for security of personal assests. Which is their propriety and their sancity.


War is about the better cause. Good verses evil.
Propriety and sanctity are the birthright of our interactions with eachother....

HAH!

Actually, Jambo, it tells me that what passes for truth, integrity and honesty, in the international scene, seems to be at odds with what the rest of us value.

My original point in posting this thread is that innocents are being abused. Further, those who are not innocents are being misled.

To make an effect that causes a satisfying response requires that one side put forth an agenda that the other dare not reject for fear of either being called incompetent, or actually discovering themselves incompetent.

There is no doubt that terrorism is as old as the original disgruntaled teen ager who got tweaked at a farmer and tipped over his outhouse, or the ancient equivalent. However,  the only thing that is gained by terrorism is more terror. Htler capitalized on this by taking power with the promise to end the civil disruption caused by his own people. That's a Faustian bargain at best. A "War on Terror" unfortunately reifies the initial problem, and then compounds it.

Terrorists are psychologically associated with personal alienation, a sense of futility, disempowerment and inability for self expression in a meaningful manner. One would think that intelligent international leaders would seize upon this fact and strive to give the people a chance to be heard, and then would act to right basic social wrongs, thus defusing their issues.  However, there is far more money and power to be had by encouraging your fellow cirizens to blow themselves up along with a batch of their neighbors, or, conversely, to encourage your nation's military to blow up a bath of their neighbors to prevent a few of them from blowing themselves up alonbg with your fellow ciizens.

Whether its shekels, dinari, euros or bucks, gold, oil or grain, the motivation seems to be more to make a profit than to save the world.

One of the examples I think of, with respect to saving the world, is the crucified Christian Savior, Jesus. The impact of his death was not because he took anyone out with him, but because he did not. There is no profit to be made at that level. Priestcraft was forced to reinvent the Devil in order to scare money out of people. How much simpler are suicide bombers and armored bulldozers.

I still think that the ones who will make an impression are those who will stage the greatest protest without harm.

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