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Creating things in the spirit world
Jan 10th, 2006 at 2:26pm
 
I have heard that we can create anything we want when we pass into spirit.If this is the case,would we be able to create a person who we love in this life?.Love George
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 9:12am
 
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I have heard that we can create anything we want when we pass into spirit.If this is the case,would we be able to create a person who we love in this life?.Love George


You can create anything you want to in the non-physical world.  The only limit is your imagination. However, if you create a person from your memories of them, they will not be the same person you love in the physical world, only a simulacrum.  Akin to having the Real Doll people in the physical world build you a copy of a person who is no longer with you.

Both can seem very realistic, but neither is the person they represent.  And neither of them is particularly healthy for you. 


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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 9:49am
 
This is a difficult thing to know.  But yeah, I tend to think that we can't create a perfectly simulated spirit/presence, so that would not be a healthy situation.  If we could - we would not know what was real or what was illusion.
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 4:35pm
 
If you've ever read the psychic John Edward's book, called One Last Time, he makes it sound like we lucid dream after we die. All of his closest spirit world experiences were lucid dream experiences with his crossed over family members. In a lucid dream, you can meet other astral bodies (or spirits), create objects with your mind, fly across the sky, ect. When lucidy is high, one can do all of those things just as conscious as in physical life, walking around on the ground with their astral body. The word lucid means you have full consciousness, and another word for lucid is translucent or transparent.


These websites will help:

http://brain.web-us.com/lucid/luciddreamingFAQ.htm

http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astral/astralp1_rbruce.htm#11

http://www.jonasridgeway.com/tech2.html

http://www.astralweb.com/phps/topics_FAQ.php


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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 9:12pm
 
Hi George-

Actually, the spirit world is just like this one except that there are no boundaries, so we can do more stuff.  As a spirit you lack the ability to touch in the same way as here, which might be a problem, and of course she'd evaporate when you forgot about her.

You can create you dream lover in your imagination if you like, right here and now. I used to have friends who did that on a more or less regular basis. It was one of those games they played with themselves, so to say.

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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2006 at 10:23pm
 
Yes Bruce says exactly the same things, I just hope I can still do the things that I love here still when its my turn to visit the reaper  Smiley
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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 2:29pm
 
Hey,

Yeah you can do what you want, even in Lucid dreams and OBE's you can to a certain extent depending on your control and abilitie to handel the situation.

On creating another person you can create a shell i believe that will act the same way as what you knew them to as much as you knew them if that makes sense. They wouldn't oviously be the real person and like said before as soon as you forgot about them they are gone into you "imagined" them again.

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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 2:45pm
 
Actually, Jambo, I get the strong impression that when your body finally drops off, a heck of a lot of hangups drop off with it, including the presumed need to have physical interactions. In their place we can bypass the separation between us and those whom we love and meet them, providing only that we do so in the common spiritual space of our collective God-Nature.

You certainly can continue doing what you do now, as many earthbound spirits do in order to continue use of alcohol, drugs, the experience of strong negative emotions lke hatred  of someone, or the sense that you are obligated to do thus and such. Do you recall Bruce's example of the guy driving the tank? or the drowning man who drowned for better than 100 years clinging to his chip of wood?

It sems that there are options for improvement as we leave this world.

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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 4:04pm
 
Whoah dave man! I ain't into that rubbish!   I mean the things that I enjoy such as sports, music, socialising etc. etc. Not robbing, drug-taking or anything of that negative nature!  Can we do the things that help create positive vibrations? Such as helping friends and just doing happy stuff?
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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2006 at 8:46pm
 
George, your question is touching the hollow-heaven-problem. So, when a suicide bomber believes strongly that he/she gets a direct ride to heaven, I say this is true. Now, many will say "What? This is unbelievable." Yeah, but the second thing is, they just get what they believe, literally, if they have no imaginations of compassion, love and understanding, they will not get it. Instead, they will get their puppet virgins and a hollow God shell until they realize that this is not what they want to so that they can move on- when they've changed their minds.
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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 12:24am
 
Hi Jambo-

As Spooky said, more or less, it's what we are attached to. You can be attached to drugs, to the feeling that you were insufficiently loving of a friend who needed you, that football is the ultimate lifestyle, that you want to protect others etc.

The point is not the specific kind of attachment that hooks us, but the fact of any attachment whatsoever. The state of nirvana is the state of "snuffing out" attachment. Then all that's left is the God-Self. That's why people like Edgar Cayce called it "Co-Creators with God".

But that's the long term aspect, in the short term after death we seem to carry on very much a we are doing here.  A couple days back I had a woman who was into flying and spent most of the time haunting the tree tops. I've had a lot of other who reported partying with friends.

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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 1:59am
 
As far as I can determine, the next phase of our life offers greater opportunities for expression and creating, but is still limited.
Of course, we can only reap as we have sown, so limitations will be individually earned. as will abilities and freedoms.
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Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2006 at 7:42pm
 
I HEARD IF YOUR A SMOKER BEFORE YOU PASS ON TO THE SPIRIT WORLD YOU CAN STILL HAVE A f*g IF YOU WANT TO ,EVERYTHING YOU ENJOYED ON THE EARTH PLAIN YOU CAN STILL ENJOY IN THE SPIRIT WORLD  DEANNA
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Reply #13 - Jan 15th, 2006 at 7:01pm
 
Thats good I guess my PS2 won't be needed lol

Deanna what other things have the good people at the spiritualist church said about the afterlife and its descriptions? because I'm very interested in all aspects of spiritualism and like to hear other peoples experiences.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Jan 15th, 2006 at 9:12pm
 
Deanna, yes I think it's right what you heard. Now, the point is what do you REALLY WANT to enjoy? If one can do whatever one wants, then you really start thinking what the heck do I want?!
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