Hi all,

I am very new to this afterlife matters. Their many things I don't know how to express, but i hope I don't offen anyone.

It has been awhile since i thought of what will be of me after death. (ghost, spirits, reincarnation, disapper, heaven, hell bla bla bla bla bla.)
The question is, honestly and sincerly what will happen to me or anyone after death?

I've been thinking of suicide, my life is a suckie wan. So I plan to end it. If it has to end up just like a wonderting ghost, then its no diffrent if I live on. 
If I were to go on heaven/hell issue, then...whatever As long as i can get out of "pysical world" and forget the past. 
If i get a reincarnation, that would be surperb. Nothing is better the restarting a whole new world.


But no matter which is it, I need to get a more specify answer, If I die and its a lie, I will haunt you.

You are what you take with you.  Most of us therefore think that people who take their own lives end up in a very dark, depressing way (as that was in their mind when they died).  It makes no sense that someone would reincarnate when they threw away opportunities to make something of this life here and now.

Read the threads on consciousness on this website.  Thought creates reality, eventhough it might seem like we are victims of circumstance.  There are several books you can read about this that are straightforward; the one to the point is from the 1800s entitled "As a man thinketh," about 30 pages or so.  I have other references for you, if you are interested.  Your thoughts can change, and then your circumstances.

Most on this board would likely say that our consciousness or spirit continues after death.  That if we are too attached in our beliefs or the material world we may get stuck, so to speak in what the Monroe institute calls Focus 23 or an earthbound plane.  Focus levels were introduced when it was decided that the conscious brain could simply shift its attention or "focus level," to move to another plane of reality.  If we were tied to a strong religious belief that existence usually continues in another area (Focus 24-26), and then, for a large number of good people, there is a "Focus 27" or summerland where one can pursue various activities (which seem almost limitless in scope).  Beyond that, it is less clear, although my own suspicion is that those in this Focus 27 are not the most spiritually advanced; the society is still set up to meet the needs of people who need to express their individuality - as one gets closer to the divine, I suspect one loses these needs.

There are many other systems of belief about our consciousness existing after we pass on.  Some believe we don't pass on, and they may likely act dormant somehow if they are wrong.  Some systems have seven levels of higher planes, some others with more or less.  It can be quite confusing, and we are left on our own to decide what is true.


Of course, you have to try to convince yourself what is true or real.  A good place to start is Victor Zammit's site for proof of the existence of the afterlife, also NDE or near death experiences - they have a great website, which puts the cases forward in an organized way.

Either way, you should at least look into things, and consider these options yourself.  Suicide doesn't solve anything.

Matthew

Hi Massacre-

From the past life regressions I've done with others (hundreds) it seems that first, your body falls off. Then you fee Great! You will eel at peace. Your "essence" expands to sort of get splattered over a few additional dimensions, feelig like you are either rising, floating, or going through a tunnell, or some such, until you get to a stable location. If you have a bad attitude, you are likely to choose a really crummy place, like a long cold foggy path with nobody around. Others with good attitudes say that they have parties with friends and have a good time.

Next, you'll find that you are more orless alone with your own nature, the sum and substance of which is what you brought with you due to your life here. First, you get an idea about how it is and how it was. Then you get a second thought which has to do with how it reacted and seemed to others, and maybe some criticism if you have been avoiding the truth. Finally you get both of those concepts sort of merged together so that they lead to n idea for a new life that willbe better. Then you find a set of circumstances that seems more or less to fit your personality, and you pop back into the world. If you were a suicide, you will generally find that you are now back to the point you left off last lifetime, and simply have to go through another spell of growing up.

That scenario has prevented me from checking out early, despite a lot of insight as to how thngs work.

A suggestion  - look up somebopdy in your vicinity who knows how to do past life regressions.  Most hypnotists (not NLP practitioners) who do regression work are suitable. (If they want, I have just published a book available from Amazon that gives details, plus 10 hours of DVD instructions as to how to do itm, with both classes and examples in my clinic - I announced it in the Announcements Forum - and any hypnotherapist can rapidly pick up the necessary skills to work with you.) Then, go back an have a look at how you got into this life, what you are here to accomplish, why, and what your prior lifetimes have given you.

By doing a past life regression you can re-experience death and the "Spirit World" and decide for yourself whether it's a good idea to stick around for a few more years. You can generally contact any dead friends and relatives at the same time, and get their opinions as well. 

Bear in mind that you need to Cover Your Assets.

love
d

Massacre:

Why does your life suck?

Because of circumstantial reasons?

Because of depression?

If because of circumstantial reasons, be as honest as you can about what is and what isn't acceptable, and then try to make changes in increments at a time.

If because of depression, don't assume that the cause of your depression is physical. Often deep rooted psychological issues that we aren't willing to look at cause depression. Such issues tend to have a bark that is louder than their bite. Therefore, they aren't a worthwhile reason to stay depressed.

I've read more than one reliable source (IMHO) which state that it is a big mistake for a person to commit suicide. You don't accomplish anything, and make things worse for yourself.

You'd be much better off doing your best to make things work. When your current lifetime is over, you'll be happy that you grinded it out. In fact, if you work at it, and take a positive approach, you'll become happy about not commiting suicide even before you die. And very possibly, much sooner than you expect. You'd be surprised how quickly and wonderfully things can change, if you set your mind to changing them.

You might want to check out Rosalind Mcknight's book "Soul Journeys." She became very depressed and almost committed suicide. You can be certain that she was very happy that she didn't.

Escaping through life Is what I call suicide. People everywhere suffers, I don't need to know or feel their pain, I understand them completely.

The element of suffering occurs in everyone's life. No one can advoid it. The whole point is, weather you want to cope with it or not. For me I'm Exhausted.

I've tried. For many years I did, and i'm still facing it. Its painful, all these years I've tried and tried to cross that line, and when i cross it, I'm just at the start of another line to cross.

When does this end? If it never then I just wanna end it, Call me a quitter, i dont' care. IMHO, I just want a normal life, which I HAVE TO PUT 200% more effor just to reach that level.!

That's why I needed to know what happens after that. If I can't be saved than...I dunno....
I really don't know!

Massacre,

Helplessness or being lost is in the mind.  Your thinking and then your situation can change.  I live in New York.  In this area, life can be a rat race.  People living in the suburbs buy incredibly expensive houses, pay twice the taxes that folks in the South pay, and some work 12 hour days just to get buy.  They may say the same thing; that they work 200% of their effort, but they are still in debt and unhappy.  What is the solution?

The solution is to change their situation.  It always is.  It is to change your belief system that you were raised with and concentrate on what is really important.  If you read back over the posts about conscious intent creating reality, it is no joke.  It is real.  However, you must also give up certain preconceived Western notions of materialism and success in many instances to be truly happy.  This is difficult.

You can take a down and out person, with virtually nothing, who has had physical maladies and they too can turn things around.  But they have to go from being a victim on the ship of life to the captain of the ship in their own mind.  It starts with thought, and positive action.  Our innermost thoughts are constantly being translated into real life events.  When we reinforce them, talk of feeling worthless, how things always go wrong - they do!

This is not a feel good approach to praise yourself without accomplishment.  What I'm saying is that you must first decide on an intent and path to improve and pursue, and then actively do it.  This involves letting go of preconceived notions you may have been raised with of success in theworld.  There are some methods you can learn to meditate on - some seem almost magical - but if your thought changes, then you too become motivated and industrious. 

Hopelessness and power are all relative and manipulated by thought.  Take a prisoner in a jail cell and a prison guard, for example.  Who could be in a worse position than the inmate, right?  But consider this.  The prisoner says "give me a cigarette."  The guard laughs.  Then the prisoner says, "give me a cigarette or I'll bash my head into the bars and say you did it."  The guard ponders on this, doesn't want to pursue the bluff or paper work or inquiry, and chooses the easier path and gives him a cigarette - and says ok, but no more.  Who had the power there?  It all depends on your perspective.  While I'm not advocating being manipulative and deceptive like a prisoner, its just an example of how hopelessness and position in almost any circumstance can be turned around.

I'm not sure where your misery comes from in specific, but it certainly comes from the seeds of negative thoughts now in bloom. 

If you would like any references, there are a few texts which I think might be very helpful - just let me know. 

You can likely PM any of us here and will get a lot of help and different points of view.

Good luck,

Matthew

From my point of view, the reason to live is not just to enjoy, nor is it just to suffer.  It is to pursue your passions, as actively as possible, to always learn, explore, and express love. 

Many teenagers in my area have taken a "live to enjoy" attitude without passions, goals, or love.  They all seem depressed and hopeless to me.  Many have given up on promising futures.  Why?  When I was in their place, as any teenage boy, I wanted to experience the carnal pleasures of sex, alcohol, but it was deeply ingrained in my being that we had to be directed.  So doing well in school and getting into college was a high priority for all of us in my neighborhood.  Today, where we live, this is not the case. 

Positive thinking by itself is not enough, as you point out.  You must believe the affirmations and thoughts, and in fact see them in your mind as having occured already.  Some sources recommend visualizing friends and loved ones congratulting you on your accomplishment.  This is not just wishing for the positive.  This is why wish fulfillment, and rote positive mantras may not work for you.  If positive thinking is coupled with belief, it leads to both a change in your environment (manipulating probabilities in both people and things), and a change in you.  The change in environment is almost magical - its what we all want, but the personal change is probably more important.

When thouht translates into true belief we feel differently, and take positive or right actions.  If we take "right actions," things change because of good hard work.  I can't say I'm an expert in this, but I am working on it.

Find activities you love, people you love, remove yourself from destructive situations, work hard to achieve your goals, follow the golden rule with others; these things are all part of "right action," which positive belief (not just positive thinking), can accomplish.

Most of all, remove negative thoughts and self deprecation along with fear.  When you catch yourself saying,  "everytime I tried to make myself better, things turn out sour, somehow," STOP.  This is the seed of a future failure.  No matter how true your past sufferings were, since your thoughts are vital to improve you must only allow beneficial ones.  The negatives you may acknowledge, and then repudiate in a solid way.

None of this is easy.  It takes effort, and if you feel exhausted, it is even more difficult. 

Best to you,

Matthew

Please haunt me then I will surely know!

Besides if you were truely considering ending your life then you wouldnt be writing on his website.

My advice is simple, whatever you do and feel here, you will do so following your death. So if you think it is easier on the " other side " think again.

Face your fear as you did when you were a child.

Enjoy the rest of your life.


regards,
TonyA