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Spitfire

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Re: So you ordered a board then..?
Reply #30 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 9:37pm

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Spit, I'm requesting a small favor of you.
You're a hardcore skeptic (UNLIKE just about everybody else here) and were you
to get any results with that thing, I have a hard
time imagining YOU lying about it - or commencing
to pontificate on fluffy-bunny "Love is All There
Is" rhetoric (that is, unless that's what you
actually GOT from using your board...) You appear to
be an HONEST individual (brutally so.) That's why I'm
asking you to do THIS...
When/if you get actual results, I would like you to
fill me in on them, via private message.
(I'd try it myself, but I'd feel like 27 different kinds
of fool doing it - an irrational response, but that's the way I am when dealing with things outside my belief paradigm, sad to say. AND I'd probably would
be disinclined to trust whatever "results" I DID get -
an "icy draft" or whatever..? I'd end up suspecting m
my mind was playing tricks on me.)
So... good, bad, or indifferent, would you mind
privately filling me in on your results?
Thanks,

B-man

np chum, i'll keep you informed. If you dont hear from me ive been beaten up by a poltergiest.

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B-dawg Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 596 Missoula, Montana Gender:	Re: Ouija Board's Reply #31 - Jan 10^th, 2006 at 12:10am Roger that, Spit 8) Also let me know if NOTHING happened (although I don't think I need to tell you that...) And if you get anything REALLY "spooky", I'll even keep my mouth shut about it you prefer. Thanks again, B-man
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PhoenixRa Ex Member	Re: So you ordered a board then..? Reply #32 - Jan 10^th, 2006 at 4:05am Quote: np chum, i'll keep you informed. If you dont hear from me ive been beaten up by a poltergiest. Hey, if that happens just call me and i'll kick its arse for you. I don't like bullies, nonphysical ones or otherwise! Lol you're a pretty funny guy sometimes, cracked up at that one.
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mattb1000

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Re: So you ordered a board then..?
Reply #33 - Jan 10^th, 2006 at 5:14am

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Spit, I'm requesting a small favor of you.
You're a hardcore skeptic (UNLIKE just about everybody else here) and were you
to get any results with that thing, I have a hard
time imagining YOU lying about it - or commencing
to pontificate on fluffy-bunny "Love is All There
Is" rhetoric (that is, unless that's what you
actually GOT from using your board...) You appear to
be an HONEST individual (brutally so.) That's why I'm
asking you to do THIS...
When/if you get actual results, I would like you to
fill me in on them, via private message.
(I'd try it myself, but I'd feel like 27 different kinds
of fool doing it - an irrational response, but that's the way I am when dealing with things outside my belief paradigm, sad to say. AND I'd probably would
be disinclined to trust whatever "results" I DID get -
an "icy draft" or whatever..? I'd end up suspecting m
my mind was playing tricks on me.)
So... good, bad, or indifferent, would you mind
privately filling me in on your results?
Thanks,

B-man

I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that.

The other day I was reading an article on another afterlife site about a skeptic (Dr Richard Hodgen i think) who devoted a good portion of he's life studying the actions of a medium called Leonore Piper and had to conclude he could not see any other way she was doing what she was doing. Great article, but i like a balance of sorts.Go to James Randi's site and there is a small paragraph on Leonore Piper and the last sentence explains that although Dr Hodgen believed in her she incorrectly told Dr Hodgen he would live a long life and have kids ( he died at 50 a few years after she said this).

Now this little attempt of finding truth annoyed me A LOT on so many levels. Firstly, I was not given the whole story by EITHER site. However in this situation James Randi is effectively rejecting a fellow skeptics work of well over a decade with one sentence!?

Did she get it wrong, maybe. Was this intentional or a mistake I DONT OR WONT KNOW because no one plays the game fair and reports the story in a level way. Angry

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By the sound of it Hodgon spent so much time and effort trying to prove she was a fraud with seemingly no success. But can I find a fair and balanced account of all the facts NO!

What i am saying is , do not equate a skeptic with an honest person. As a person who is neither a skeptic or a believer it is irritating. James Randi is a super hard line skeptic and by that small paragraph on Leonore Piper proved he is as gifted and bending facts to suit he's belief better than anyone.

On the subject of using the board , the only person I know who used it was my Mum. She did it at work with a few friends. She tells me of a number of negative things that occured after, Including the shop closing down and the Manager commiting suicide. Is she lying to me ..nope.. Are the facts distorted ...unlikely but possible. Are the events related to the board ... who knows but she believes they are.

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B-dawg

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Re: So you ordered a board then..?
Reply #34 - Jan 10^th, 2006 at 6:04am

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I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that.
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Two things I'd like to say about that, Matt:
#1. Spitfire has got to be the most brutally frank
(some might even say cruelly so) poster on this
forum. He despises liars, fakes, and wafflers, especially in
"spiritual" matters. So, I'd doubt he's going to
feed me bullsh!t, whether he gets results or not.
Also, he hasn't asked for any money and he isn't
trying to SELL anything (unlike just about anyone else with the potential to offer "evidence" on this stuff.) Sounds pretty good to me...
#2. Spitfire has shown considerable curiosity along
with his skepticism. Not to mention, more "paradigm flexibility" than I could muster (maybe that's because he's young.) He's even willing to pay GOOD
MONEY to procure an Ouija board in an attempt to
satisfy that curiosity. Now me, I'm a cheap, tightfisted bastard, so I know how unpleasant it is to part with hard-earned cash... ESPECIALLY on something you're not even sure is going to work. If Spit doesn't get results, he's out however many $$$'s (or is it pounds sterling?) that board costs him... and he knows it.
Not to mention, he risks his friends and family thinking he's a crackpot, if they find out he ordered the thing.
That's a bigger risk than I'D be willing to take, I gotta give him that.
Add the above to the fact that Spit's a skeptic (who couldn't care less whether I "become spiritually enlightened" or go to Hell) and I'd say that makes his attempt worth watching, IMHO. No vested interests to fog the view...
It is the "true believers" who I can't trust, how do I know they aren't just trying to bolster their own "faith" by trying to make me believe as they do? People do that, you know. Take time to observe the behaviors of any Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, or (unusual, but sometimes "pagans" preach too) CERTAIN Gardnerian Wiccans (at least the ones I've met.)
Just my $0.02...

B-man

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Spitfire

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Re: So you ordered a board then..?
Reply #35 - Jan 10^th, 2006 at 6:35am

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I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that.
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Two things I'd like to say about that, Matt:
#1. Spitfire has got to be the most brutally frank
(some might even say cruelly so) poster on this
forum. He despises liars, fakes, and wafflers, especially in
"spiritual" matters. So, I'd doubt he's going to
feed me bullsh!t, whether he gets results or not.
Also, he hasn't asked for any money and he isn't
trying to SELL anything (unlike just about anyone else with the potential to offer "verification" on this stuff. Sounds pretty good to me...
#2. Spitfire has shown considerable curiosity along
with his skepticism. Not to mention, more "paradigm flexibility" than I could muster (maybe that's because he's young.) He's even willing to pay GOOD
MONEY to procure an Ouija board in an attempt to
satisfy that curiosity. Now me, I'm a cheap, tightfisted bastard, so I know how unpleasant it is to part with hard-earned cash... ESPECIALLY on something you're not even sure is going to work. If Spit doesn't get results, he's out however many $$$'s (or is it pounds sterling?) that board costs him... and he knows it.
Not to mention, he risks his friends and family thinking he's a crackpot, if they find out he ordered the thing.
That's a bigger risk than I'D be willing to take, I gotta give him that.
Add the above to the fact that Spit's a skeptic (who couldn't care less whether I "become spiritually enlightened" or go to Hell) and I'd say that makes his attempt worth watching, IMHO. No vested interests to fog the view...
It is the "true believers" who I can't trust, how do I know they aren't just trying to bolster their own "faith" by trying to make me believe as they do? People do that, you know. Take time to observe the behaviors of any Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, or (unusual, but sometimes "pagans" preach too) CERTAIN Gardnerian Wiccans (at least the ones I've met.)
Just my $0.02...

B-man

Thanks chum.

Matt,
it's true that some skeptics, are just so stuck in there ways for so long - if good evidence does come along they just dismiss it. Or as with randi he's got 1 million bucks on the line - and i would be very skeptical if i had that kinda money to loose.

I assure you, if god slapped me in the face, i would look into christianity, if pictures came off the wall flew at me, i would look into poltergiests, and if i get a message on the board, i'll look into more spiritual aspects/view points.

None of us want to die and turn into a bag of rotten worm bait, when we kick it (especially not me). I am very open to anything which could prove the afterlife. I just need it to be firm evidence, rather then a few fairy tales passed on

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Btw chum, your right ive got all my afterlife books stashed under my bed, and im gonna have to ninja the board when it arrives into the attic and do it up there lol.

Things i do for knowledge......

later
-spit-

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GW

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Re: So you ordered a board then..?
Reply #36 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 11:44am

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I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that.

The other day I was reading an article on another afterlife site about a skeptic (Dr Richard Hodgen i think) who devoted a good portion of he's life studying the actions of a medium called Leonore Piper and had to conclude he could not see any other way she was doing what she was doing. Great article, but i like a balance of sorts.Go to James Randi's site and there is a small paragraph on Leonore Piper and the last sentence explains that although Dr Hodgen believed in her she incorrectly told Dr Hodgen he would live a long life and have kids ( he died at 50 a few years after she said this).

Well hasn't anyone even considered that the future isn't set in stone? Leonore Piper may well have got the information correct, yet it didn't turn out like that because the future isn't set in stone.

Remember there are other factors to consider, including the Dr Hodgen's own actions, and other people's actions, that may have brought about his death earlier than expected. We'll never know, but all I'm saying is that it's not always down to the medium, when things don't turn out as expected.

Something for the skeptics to think about.

I also know from personal experience that it's not easy working with spirit and there are other factors that can affect the quality of the information coming through. Such as the spirit's own experience from working with mediums. Mediums also have good/bad days, which can also affect the information coming through. A lot of people don't realise these things.

Funny how people like James Randi don't provide the full story. It's all too convenient.

Now this little attempt of finding truth annoyed me A LOT on so many levels. Firstly, I was not given the whole story by EITHER site. However in this situation James Randi is effectively rejecting a fellow skeptics work of well over a decade with one sentence!?

Did she get it wrong, maybe. Was this intentional or a mistake I DONT OR WONT KNOW because no one plays the game fair and reports the story in a level way. Angry

.

By the sound of it Hodgon spent so much time and effort trying to prove she was a fraud with seemingly no success. But can I find a fair and balanced account of all the facts NO!

What i am saying is , do not equate a skeptic with an honest person. As a person who is neither a skeptic or a believer it is irritating. James Randi is a super hard line skeptic and by that small paragraph on Leonore Piper proved he is as gifted and bending facts to suit he's belief better than anyone.

On the subject of using the board , the only person I know who used it was my Mum. She did it at work with a few friends. She tells me of a number of negative things that occured after, Including the shop closing down and the Manager commiting suicide. Is she lying to me ..nope.. Are the facts distorted ...unlikely but possible. Are the events related to the board ... who knows but she believes they are.

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deanna Ex Member Afterlife Knowledge Member Gender:	Re: Ouija Board's Reply #37 - Jan 18^th, 2006 at 6:30pm i agree with you marilyn spitfire would attract them from the lowest plain and he would get along with them , nice to meet you marilyn by the way deanna
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Spitfire Ex Member	Re: Ouija Board's Reply #38 - Jan 18^th, 2006 at 6:36pm Quote: i agree with you marilyn spitfire would attract them from the lowest plain and he would get along with them , nice to meet you marilyn by the way deanna We'll aslong as they aint weak like most people on this board. We'll get along fine.
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Touching Souls Super Member Offline LOVE IS ALL, SHINE YOUR LIGHT THAT OTHERS MAY SEE Posts: 1966 Metaline Falls, WA Gender:	Re: Ouija Board's Reply #39 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 12:32am Nice to meet you too Deanna. Namaste, Mairlyn
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mattb1000

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Re: Ouija Board's
Reply #40 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 4:18am

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We'll aslong as they aint weak like most people on this board. We'll get along fine.

Please expand on this view point Spitfire. Explain to us why you consider the majority of the people on this board weak?

Have you used the Ouija board yet?
When you use it, appeal to the lowest primal forms of humanity if it will satisfy you. I would never presume the entirety of this reality and Universe based on the current dogma of modern science.I wouldnt do it. But if you consider people weak because in your view they cannot comprehend the "strength" of "dogmatic skeptism" you have nothing to loose.

Have you looked at the work of Rupert Sheldrake?
Have you tried hemi-sync to meditate and understand yourself?

Do you consider those ideas weak?

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deanna

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Reply #41 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 9:02am

spitfire i just been reding one of your posts which says you are getting a ouiga board in two weeks ,you want to be careful even i wouldnt use one witout a triained medium there also if you do use it on your own ask god first to put a white light of protection around you because you can bring in some really bad spirits from the lower plains especially so say that prayer and you should just get good spirits come through and also when you have finished on the ouiga board say a closing down prayer and that will make the spirits go back to the spirit world i,m only telling you this because you really have got to be careful using these boards deanna

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Re: Ouija Board's
Reply #42 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 9:24am

I'm not sure Spitifre would have it any other way than for his proof of reality being more than the physical to be a full-on objects-flyin'-through-the-room ghost attack.
Better than something questionable, eh?

I'm not so sure some people should get their proof.

Then there's always the question of "Did this really happen, or have I just lost my mind?"

If Spitifire believes more in going insane than having a real supernatural experience, which is he more likely to assume if one does occur?

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Spitfire

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Re: Ouija Board's
Reply #43 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 9:53am

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I'm not sure Spitifre would have it any other way than for his proof of reality being more than the physical to be a full-on objects-flyin'-through-the-room ghost attack.
Better than something questionable, eh?

I'm not so sure some people should get their proof.

Then there's always the question of "Did this really happen, or have I just lost my mind?"

If Spitifire believes more in going insane than having a real supernatural experience, which is he more likely to assume if one does occur?

A doctor tells you your gonna be dead next week. Yet you feel fine, do you believe him? or do you require some good proof?

Proof of the afterlife has so many liars and fakes, you cant blame a person for being skeptical.

I am not going to lie to myself about the atferlife. Just to make my self feel better. I would rather go insane. Then live in ignorance.

I got my board yesterday, and im gonna have a go tonight. And thanks for the concern deanna, but i dont believe in god, and i dont need his protection.

@ Matt.

When i say weak, i meen - most are emotionally weak, there beliefs are weak, and there ideals are often weak.

Such as: Crying over a disagreement - Unwilling/to selfish to prove there point, no drive to prove there abilities - closed mined views to anything un-spiritual - Claim to love everything and want world peace yadda yadda, but only doing it when it suits them, and ar'nt willing to perform an actions aimed at there goals....because they dont need to...because they "think" good things, therefore theres no need to.

My board arrived yesterday - gonna give it a whirl tonight.

Bad spirits - good spirits....i am not fussed what i get, as i said i would die to prove what i believe.

i hav'nt heard of Rupert Sheldrake before, but since you mentioned it i looked him up on google and found http://www.sheldrake.org/ looks intresting. Gonna give it a more indepth going over later.

I dont consider hemi-sync weak....proved to have results...based on scientific facts/understanding and it makes sense to me.

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deanna Ex Member Afterlife Knowledge Member Gender:	Re: Ouija Board's Reply #44 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 10:01pm spitfire how did you get on with the ouiga board deanna
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