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Jan 2nd, 2006 at 9:04pm
 
I have been debating whether to start this topic here or not. I have been reading threads in this site for months now and I do have a lot of respect for many of you.
I can see how you share your fact fairly backed up opinions or open discussions about such meaningful things that could shake anyone inside.
I feel I know nothing in comparison and most of you might not find my posts very relevant or of interest but I just hope you can bear with me. I'm a fast learner.

I have been a catholic all my life, even though now I don't follow any religion. I hope not to offend anyone by this but I really think they are man made. Anyhow I still believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary but not as what religions say but rather what it feels right inside.
In this post I wish to talk about the Virgin Mary in particular.
I have read book after book of psyquics, mediums, afterlife explorers, OBEr's...etc, and never ever anyone has made the slightest reference about Mary.
Surely she must have been an important soul having had the priviledge of carrying and raising Jesus. Well nobody had anything to report on her.
I really can't wait to get your opinion on this one. I attended a catholic school from the ages of 3 to 16. You could say I nearly grew up with the nuns and Mary had such an important place in my life because of them. Now I changed the way I view religion but still I can't help it and wonder.... What about Mary?   

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Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 9:42pm
 
  Hi there Sunrise,

  You're right there, there seems to be a lack of attention payed to her, and it is a shame.

  A particularly verifed psychic Edgar Cayce talked alot about Jesus's early life, and the history leading up to his birth.

  This Source said that Mary was Jesus's Twin Soul, which basically means they were of the same Essence, though not necessarily connected at what Bruce calls the immediate Disk Self.

  Being so, Mary must have been a highly spiritually evolved Being herself, and Cayce's Source was quite emphatic about the immaculate conception being true, and even said that in the far future, other women would evolve to be able to conceive in that manner.   

   Mary herself was said to have been immaculately conceived with her mother Anna, and the Essenes had chosen 12 young maidens to be potential mothers for the "Messiah".   Each represented one of the 12 major "stages" or Consciousnesses, in other words the astrological Zodiac.

  Mary had an unusual experience when she was young, and it seemed that she was chosen by some powerful spiritual Being (in the Bible called an Angel), and later rechosen "officially" by the Essene Priests and Priestesses as well....  Really, it was her destiny, and she has always been deeply connected to the Jesus Soul spiritually.

  Cayce didn't outright say it, but his source seemed to hint that this unusual birth was possible because of the very fact that they were Twin Souls.

  During her childhood, Miriam (i prefer this name) along with the 11 other maidens were trained in various manners physically, mentally/emotionally, and spiritually.   

  Cayce's Source said that after Yeshua was born, Miriam and Joseph took up a "normal" married life some 10 years or so after, and they had 3 other children together, and the Source said a curious thing about Miriam having fulfilled her karma by having these 3 other children through the typical means.

  Apparently Miriam was a Sun Sign Aquarius, cause in a reading for a teenage girl who was feeling very peculiar and different from her peers and others in general (she was a quite psychic Aquarius), she was told to take heart, and the Source said something like, "for remember, thou art in the same signs and omens as she, Mother of Him, Aquarius, perfection in its perceptions."   Quite a laudatory statement!

Course to most, this will all sound like science fiction, but Cayce's Source while supporting much of the Bible, also greatly disagrees with it in some portions and says that indeed it has passed through many hands, and some hands weren't of the highest intention, yet the Spirit of it remains basically unchanged.

  Even though Mary/Miriam was pretty intune herself, she wasn't quite God realized as her son though it seems, for even at age 12 Jesus basically "lectured" his mother about reality, and why he was here. 

  She had been very worried about him (attached, personal love) because he had been gone for a couple days, and she didn't know where he was.  Later on, she found out he was debating in the Temple with the other Rabbi's and when he finally showed up, she seemed to have gotten upset and emotional with him, and he just calmly and rhetorically asked, "Don't you know that i am here to be about my Father's business?"   And at other points, basically says that he has no family, that all are his family...

  Talk about detachment, impersonality, and being sure of yourself!

  Yet, at the same time, i believe he loved his mother deeply and knew they had a long soul history in the Earth together.   And i believe she was a good teacher and example for him in his more formative years.

  My feeling is that Miriam was a very loving, patient, kind, perceptive, and intelligent person.

  I think she may have "Ascended" later on in that life as well, and she is an "Elder" of sorts now, teaching and guiding many other teachers and guides, as well as perhaps being on some Life Plan Councils.

  Basically, there would have been no Jesus, without Mary...  Mary was the more Feminine aspect of this Disk, and the feminine always comes first to prepare the way for the masculine active half. 

  Cayce seemed to hint that this is why so many World Teachers have chosen male bodies, because there tends to be a greater innate activeness energy there, and because physicality is more balanced to the negative/passive/feminine balance, then there needs to be a slightly greater active/positive charge to act as a balance. 

  At some point, when the Earth itself is more "etheric" in nature, then this won't be as much a consideration, for the forces will be more inherently balanced.
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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 11:48pm
 
SunriseChaos,

A suggestion:  Perhaps a first name only would be more personable?

The Virgin Mary is an Ascended Master, a highly evolved person of, obviously, the feminine aspect of humanity.

I was *told* that one thing she does is visit people in order to restore the balance between their masculine and feminine aspects.

In my previous way of thinking as an Orthodox Christian, I totally blew her off, even though the Orthodox, like the Catholics, have a deep devotion to her. I just didn't understand why people would venerate her almost, if not more it seemed, as much as they did Jesus.

That changed for me when I became the beneficiary of one of her visits.

Perhaps its because she played a supporting role in the drama of the life of Jesus that causes people today to not emphasize her much. Another reason could be the cults of devotion that have grown up around her within religions/belief systems that may cause those outside those faiths to feel somewhat off-put.

At any rate, I assure you that she is quite active in her work and her loving devotion to humanity, regardless of how much attention she receives from us.

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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 12:35am
 
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In this post I wish to talk about the Virgin Mary in particular. I have read book after book of psyquics, mediums, afterlife explorers, OBEr's...etc, and never ever anyone has made the slightest reference about Mary.


Not entirely so. Jon C Fox has channeled many beings, including Mary the mother of Jesus (and in last month's Winter Solstice, Mary Magdalene as well) :


Mary: Through this body (Jon C Fox’s channeling) I have been known as Miriam, and I have contacted you through him before. That you know me as the mother of Jesus the carpenter, the way-shower. Yet, it is to the children that I speak and to the child self in you. It is this which must awaken, to recall the child part of you that loves and is loved. And with this part of you I strengthen a clear eye to look. What will you see in the world? When you look with your heart's eye, when you understand with the eyes of a child just as Jesus has shown you, you look with love. And what you will see hurts. You must shed tears for what you see - for the ways in the world that have harmed or allowed suffering. But you must look. The child will look. The child will be scarred by what he or she sees, but will look anyway. And so now it is time to look at your world through the eyes of a child, to see in your heart where suffering is needless, where struggle can be released, where old ways can be then let go of so that the new ones of love, new ones of appreciation, new ones of acceptance can be welcome again.

But still this is not enough. You must literally, physically cry to see with my eyes, to understand this and to feel it. And this is my answer to your question about pain, about why the children (I do see the teenagers as children you know), why they indeed recoil from this. They do not welcome the tears because you do not welcome them. But the tears can be that of release of toxicity, release of stress. And the release of these tears as the new thought form must be the veil of tears, the wall of tears, the curtain of tears that is passed through by everyone on your planet when you truly see what you have done to yourselves and why you no longer need to. You must cry for them, for the children, for your own hearts, for your Earth as you then make the corrections and move into the level that is ultimately of greatest joy for all.



http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_On_JesusChrist.htm

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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 12:45am
 
Love this topic Sunrise, glad you brought it up.  She's active all right.  How about Fatima and Lourdes?  Just to name a few.  There are a lot of documented facts on those miracles. 

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Reply #5 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 12:54am
 
It is my feeling that the Virgin Mary is the feminine aspect of God and is helping to bring the feminine back into all. This has come through in channelings that a friend does of several of the Ascended Masters.

Kyo, as always, thank you for the channeling of Jon C. Fox.

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Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 6:26am
 
And Smiley Wink Cheesy, as always, to you dear Mairlyn.
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 12:14pm
 
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I have recently discovered Edgar Cayce, and at the moment I am reading Kevin J Todeschi's Edgar Cayce on Soulmates - "Unlocking the Dynamics of Soul Attraction". I am so impressed I am already looking at other titles for purchase. I can't wait to get my hands on his Akashi Records book for example. He also wrote about the reincarnation of biblical characters. I don't think anyone has ever written about that before. Absolutely fascinating. So many books so little time... Smiley.
Very interesting facts about Mary there. I just have a bit of trouble digesting that Mary and Joseph had  a proper marriage life and three other children after Jesus. It kind of makes sense but I just feel it makes Mary more like the rest of us and somehow I thought of her as someone on another level.
The same goes for Jesus, he might very well have had a wife and kids, as the DaVinci code claims but wouldn't that take away some of the holiness in him?.

Rob, sorry, sometimes the joys of anonymity in the web make me forget my manners. My name is Sandra.   
I so believe she must be one of the Masters and  someone who can also watch over us just like this universal mother figure that she is.
Could you please share your visitation with us?
You must be such a blessed person. I imagine it was a life changing experience. I would give an arm and a leg just to be able to see her from far.
Thank you for confirming to me that Mary visitations do happen. Cheesy

Kyo
I never had heard about Jon Fox or Hilarion in my life but I am so curious now after reading your post. Many thanks for the tip. I will be looking into the website.


Egdio7
I know about Fatima and Lourdes but who's not to say the church fabricated those. I was looking for other kind of evidence like a chaneller bringing us messages from her or enlightening us more about her essence and role in the afterlife. 

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It is my feeling that the Virgin Mary is the feminine aspect of God and is helping to bring the feminine back into all.

Mairlyn
I read that God is both male and female essence. Do you mean to say Mary is the female part of God?
OT Glad to see you changed your mind about leaving Wink

Paranoid
I also wonder about Mary Magdalene. They say she was also an important part in Jesus life. So much so that she used to be given priviledges only men were given in those times. She would preach to the masses and even wrote her own Gospel but the church purposefully robbed her of her place in history just for being a woman.

Thank you all for your answers. This is something I've been wanting to debate for years but I never had nobody to debate it with.

Peace

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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 4:22pm
 
  Hi there Sunrise,

  Hmm, syncronicity?  Yeah, there are a lot of interesting books on the E.C. readings in my opinion, on many different subjects.

  If you get the chance, i do recommend one particular book because it drives home the point of how much stuff this guy went through, and how tested he was time and time again.  Even Houdini who exposed coutless fraudulent mediums in his day, did not criticize E.C.

  The book is called Edgar Cayce An American Prophet by Sidney D. Kirkpatrick.  The author is an award winning documentary filmmaker, and author of New York Times bestseller A Cast of Killers and Lords of Sipan.

  Anyways, its a mostly biographical in nature, but goes over many of the fundamental philosophies, and concepts in there.

  Kirkpatrick was allowed more access than any previous biographer into Cayce's correspondences, family "secrets", and did some extra research since the Freedom of info. act, he was able to look into the FBI file on Cayce (and other tidbits along these lines). 

   This book talks about some things which no previous book talks about.  Like how Edgar when a young 3 year old boy, fell head first into a board with a large nail sticking out of it and it pierced his forehead pretty deeply.  Cayce and family had never mentioned it before because they thought his abilities were a "gift from God", and probably didn't understand the nature of the Endocrine glands and their role in psychism and spiritual phenomena physically (these are the materializations, or physical representations of the faster vibrating, and more subtle 7 main Energy Chakras, interesting that there are 7 main Endocrine glands as well?).

  Physically, this may account for the very unusual nature and depth of his abilities as it might have affected his Pineal gland (the gland most directly related to psychic sensitivity) in some manner.   This 'accidental' childhood event, is not that dissimilar than the occasionally extreme Eastern practice of Trepidations (lol definitely don't recommend this!).

  Spiritually, it was because Cayce had been motivated from being a young child to want to help with the suffering in the world, and he was a "rather old soul" as the Source put it, and had more than a few graduates in his Disk--some downright unusual personalities and lives for the Earth plane.  According to this source, this Disk has had a powerful pattern of incarnating as a spiritual guide, healer, and teacher for many, especially at important transitional cycles like the one we're in now.

  Anyways, about Jesus and him having kids and a wife.   I've thought about before myself, and while i try to remain open to it, the main point i keep coming back to, is that Jesus came here specifically to teach impersonal, universal love for all.   This is why he left his family at a young age, and basically stated to him family and to others, that he had no family in the Earthly sense.   

  Having a wife and kids would have been a contradiction to the fundamental lessons he was trying to teach, not too mention it would have been highly irresponsible since he was constantly roaming around and  seemed to rarely stay in one spot more than a few days.   And, i trust the E.C. readings because they have deeply helped me with physical problems (illnesses), emotional problems, as well as being a great all around spiritual guide, and hands down these readings are the most verified in the world.   They are truly holistic, and so much so that its mind boggling how these teachings interweave the physical, mental, and spiritual manifestations of life....  You could call these 3 the 3 main aspects of the One Field (that Bruce talks about) as we understand it from a 3rd dimensional existence.

  The readings view on Mary Magdalene for the most part support the traditional, historical understanding. 

  Basically they say that Mary's parents had gotten Mary into the spying program where she would sleep with various Romans, Jews, higher ups in general, to get information from them for the Jewish "resistence".   

  Being the only life Mary knew from a younger age, she became very accustomed to it, and her heart grew cold, and she became a somewhat hard person who thought a lot about the materialistic, outer aspects of life.

  When she met the Healer of healers, she was physically, emotionally, and spiritually greatly imbalanced, but when Dr. J held her in the Light of her True Self, she began to see her True Self....  Nobody had ever stuck up for her like he had (she was about to be stoned), and had told her not to condemn herself, as this karmically was a big problem of hers.  Condemnation of self, and in turn when one condemns self so much, they tend to judge others as well.

  Its an amazing story of redemption and rebirth (in a sense), and Cayce pointed out that Mary really understood Yeshua's teachings, and there was a reason why she was the first one visited after the Ascension.

  Its interesting that in this account, Yeshua says to Mary like, "Touch me not, for i have not yet fully risen to the Father."

  His vibratory emanatiion at that point must have been so intense, that if Mary had tried to hold him, she would have been killed instantly.   Like touching a live wire which has an amazing amount of voltage.

  Later on, when he revisits the various disciples and followers, he says come touch me, test me, for i am flesh like you, and can eat like you.   They thought he was in "spirit" form, like a ghost at first.  They had never heard of someone retaking up the body like this, though they and their prophets had had many experiences with non fleshly spirits, etc.

  The Jesus story in the Cayce readings is so deep, embracing and wide ranging with so many implications, most simply do not believe it no matter how accurate Cayce was proven a long period of time, in many areas.

  I've come to the conclusion that Jesus's Disk (through "hints" in the Cayce readings, and through my own guidance), while not the God by any means, is truly the Creator God of this particular Universe (including most of our Souls/Disks)--the original Universe.   

  We will eventually grow into this role as well, and create our own Universes and Souls to inhabit them...but this Universe is like a training, a practice run to expand our abilities to co-create with the Creator in a like manner and through the manner of the Only begotten (Divine Love) of which Jesus's Disk is the manifestation of.

  If one believes that Yeshua came direct from this particular Creator God Disk, then it seems that he knows us just as well as we know ourselves and so is in a "position" to be of the greatest help to us in every respect.   He literally projected our Souls from the God "Stuff", molded us, and birthed us each with our own unique identities and individualities.

  The important thing to me, is that we all have his potential, and can actualize our full creative powers by using our Freewill to align with Creative Forces.  The "more" we do this, the more we become like the Creative Forces, the less we do it, the further we get ourselves stuck in dense, but ultimately illusionary existences...    We're all Retreivers trying to unstick ourselves and trying to help others at the same time, and in being truly helpful to others, we lift ourselves out that much more....its the interplay of pure Light and varying degrees of "darkness", ultimately we wake up from the dream, and realize that the darkness never truly existed,  but was only there to wake us up to our God reality.
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I read that God is both male and female essence. Do you mean to say Mary is the female part of God?
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Yes, this is what I've read several places and basically what I believe. There are other feminine Ascended Masters who are also bringing in the feminine energies, such as Mary Magdalene, Kwan Yin to name a couple more.

It took me a long time to understand that we all have the polarities of masculine/feminine. The lack of understanding is why so many abused women stay with their abusers. I stayed 28 years, then had another relationship that turned abusive. Consciously I didn't feel I deserved it, but unconsciously I did. This is from centuries of a male dominated world. I have done a lot of healing on myself in the past few years to bring in the feminine.

And thanks, I'm glad you're glad that I'm here. Wink

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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 9:52pm
 
Marilyn,

This is going to upset you. It isn't directed at you, but at your apparent bias, one that is shared by many. I am trying to restore balance to a skewed perspective most of us share.

According to my research, most abusive relationships, except those involving battery, are MUTUALLY abusive.

I think society falls waaaay short in acknowledging how abusive women are. This helps many abusive women not only deny their abuse, but to actually blame their man for what is actually THEIR OWN abuse. I don't say this lightly.

And no, before someone attacks me, I'm not at all saying men aren't abusive. We all know there are abusive men. What we fall short on is aknowledging when women are abusive by their own initiative and when they return abuse for abuse (which is still abusive).

I have known several men who stayed in abusive relationships. Some of them were literally getting beat on by their wives. These guys knew if they raised one finger to protect themselves, they would be the ones going to jail, not their abusive wives, because of the bias against men in these kinds of situations.

There is a state agency near where I live that only helps women. They have turned away men being abused by their wives. I have yet to hear of, let alone see, a shelter for battered husbands.

I daresay that if you were to survey women, asking them to name just five ways women are abusive in ways men usually are not, every single one of them would fail. They in turn would likely have no problem naming abuse committed by men. Men aren't any better in this regard. We all know how men are abusive. How many of you know how women are abusive?

Restoration of the balance between the masculine and feminine energies is need for EVERYONE, just about, both men and women.

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Reply #11 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 11:17pm
 
sunrise,

It's been my understanding that the Catholic Church, when investigating a miracle like Fatima will be the toughest of skeptics.  They send a team in that is tougher then a team of atheist.  The reason being is... The last thing they want or need is to proclaim something a miracle and later have it exposed as a fraud.
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Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 11:31pm
 
Rob, I'm sorry but I think your comments are misplaced here. When a man can take a woman in less than 5 seconds and reduce her to a pile of rubble on the floor, we must agree that most abuse is a matter of personal strength.  We all know that men often have this power over women, who are trained from childhood to accept and take personal responsibility for any lack of harmony in their personal sphere.

Regarding Mary, she was in a recent dream of mine.  People were saying, "there she is" and there was an apparition. It was real in my dream and I saw her.

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Reply #13 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 3:22pm
 
No, Blink, my comments are not misplaced. Physical abuse is just one of the many types of abuse perpetrated by abusers, many of whom are women. Physical abuse is dramatic and draws the most attention, but the other types of abuse are also devastating in their effects on relationships. As usual, the physical abuse by men draws the attention while that perpetrated by women continues to be ignored/denied.

You comment totally dismissed women who physically abuse men. It assumes that all men are able to stop physical abuse from any woman. The untruth of this should be obvious.

You also conveniently overlook emotional, psychological, and other forms of abuse that certainly are not gender specific. I would suggest that you do your own research to confirm this, as did I. I also have personal experience with this, by multiple women, both as a child and as an adult. I didn't make my comments lightly.

Once again, a woman's bias and denial is evident in your post, refusing to even aknowledge the abuse perpetrated by women on their spouses and children. This abuse includes physical abuse towards those of lesser physical strength i.e. children and smaller spouses, but it also includes psychological and emotional abuse.

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Reply #14 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 8:00pm
 
  While i completely understand, and agree with what you are saying...very much through personal experience myself...

  Its easy for people, especially women who have been so completely physically dominated to feel this bias.

  Blink went through this, so maybe cut her some slack?


  I mentioned getting in an argument the otherday, well my Fiance is 5'10 with a large bone structure and strong muscles for a girl, i'm 5'6/7 and probably weigh about 20 or 30 lbs less than her.

  She has quite the temper, and when she loses her center, she really, really loses her rationality and control and sometimes physically reacts.

  She almost put my head through the window pane.   I'm much more physically powerful than her, but can't "do anything" in defense except hold her, but the point is, she can definitely do some damage.

  Another theme lately, as my father punched me in the face a couple weeks before.  We were in a very heated argument, and i told him something very, very important to me and something he needed to know about how he treated me when i was very little (and some of my unconscious feelings towards him, and how he can upset me like few can), and he said the most lame arse excuse, blaming my mother for something which had nothing whatsoever to do with what i was talking about, and i was so mad i shoved him away and told him that i didn't want anything to do with him, and was so mad i wanted to knock him out.

  I stepped back to calm myself and was totally surprised when he punched me in the face.

  But, all in all, physical violence is sooo taboo in this ultra p.c. country, but in these situations, for me personally i think "its just a body, and doesn't matter much."

   So, i'm not totatally offended and hurt by people close to me doing these things (in the case of two men i think its even less of a big deal).

  And i agree with Rob, emotional, and other abuses can be just as bad, if not worse in some cases, as physical.

  I think we place way too much emphasis on the body, and its temp. pain.   We are energy essences and personifications of "thoughts, feelings, info, character, and knowingness"...

  Yet, i can completely understand where Blink is coming from, because situations like that are very extreme and not just about the physical pain at all...

  But i completely understand where Rob is coming from too.   It's not a black and white issue by any means, and i think it took courage on the part of Rob to firmly but kindly show the other side of it too...

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