Raj,

Matter has no place in the afterlife?  Matter and energy are interchangeable. Physics shows us that there are no true elementary particles, but "waveicles," and probable states of being (the uncertainty principle), even in our solid universe. 

For me then, an astral or heavenly realm may have fundamental differences, but if our conscious mind is and has been always independent of our physical body and realm, there is nothing inconsistent about our awareness fashioning a spiritual plane full of trees, houses, etc.  Granted, this may come from our own minds, but it would be just as real to us. 

My own take on things, is that the higher and ascencion or closer we are to merging with God, the less dependent we would be on places like the "summerland," or traditional view of heaven many have encountered.

But the matter argument holds no water (so to speak).

Matthew

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 Hi there Raj,

 It goes in cycles here, and since there seems to have been a lot of fairly consistent drama here lately, the new members tend to get ignored.

 At other quieter cycles, they get a lot more response...  Generally its a pretty kool place.  

 I think it has to do with the Grand Fixed Cross energy lately, quite a doozy, and being in Fixed signs, people in general are acting a little more "fixed" or stubborn, add the tension of some strong squares and oppositions, then you got a lot of heated arguments.

 Which leads me to ask you, are the same Raj which posts on Mark's Astrology forum by any chance?

 To talk about the above for a second, my "system" of understanding is a five fold one within a 7 harmonic system.

I think there is the physical energy level (most dense and slow vibrating), the etheric (less so), the emotional which correponds to the Astral (less dense than the etheric), the mental which corresponds to the really kool nonphysical places (less dense and faster vibrating than the emotional/astral), and the spiritual which is that of Spirit Consciousness.

 These Five bodies or "levels" can also be related to the 7 main Chakras, and in turn there are 7 main dimensions within and connected to the Earth Life system.  The physical pretty much correspond to the 1st Chakra, but also to a  degree to the 2nd Chakra, the etheric bodylevels mostly corresponds to the 2nd, but a bit to the 3rd, the emotional body/levels corresponds mostly to the Solar Plexus/3rd dimension but a bit to the 4th dimension and Chakra, the mental corresponds mostly to the Heart/4th dimension but also to the Throat/5 dimension, and bit to the 6th Chakra and dimensions, and the spiritual is the faster vibrating energies of the 6th Chakra and dimension, but mostly corresponds to the 7th Chakra/dimension.

 Pure Energy starts in Spirit, beyond the 7th dimensional Consciousness, and gets more and more dense, and more and more slow vibrating harmonics till it reflects the physical as we know it.  The physical is like a distorted reflection of Soul.

 Soul is primarily of the mental energies but contains within it Spirit, or the At One Consciousness potential, and eventual actualization.

 Physical and Soul/Mind goes together to make up the emotional and etheric energies.

 All was once pure Spirit, but Spirit moved from its passive/negative/contractive charge to a purely positive and expanding energy state and from this was born a child called Love energy--a cohesive, uniting energy, or the "attraction" and balance between both positive and negative charge.  From this was born countless numbers of individualized portions of Spirit.

 When these reach a full balance within Soul (individualized Spirit consciousness) then Soul remembers its Source again--Spirit.  But to achieve this balance, it must fill itself up with the 3rd expression of the Divinity--Love, and it must perfectly balance the receptive feeling aspect of Love, and the actively giving out (positive charge) of Love.

 As a Soul learns this more and more, more and more will their inner vibratory pattern (this is what makes a Soul have individuality, makes it unique from everyother Soul and this was given by the Creator) will become more and more refined, faster vibrating, and harmonious in pattern...and so they grow and expand through different awarenesses of Consciousness from the negative pole (matter) to the positive pole--Spirit.  

  Mind is the meditator between matter and spirit, these two oppositely charged expressions of the One Field...

 Matter corresponds to the 1st Chakra, Mind corresponds the Heart (the balance), and Spirit corresponds to the Crown (and in the body-the master gland of the Pituitary).  This is the Trinity behind the Hindu and Christian belief systems.

 When all Chakras, glands, (the combination of both i call "Centers") etc. are attuned and balanced through the concentration and livingness of Love, then the Soul remembers its true state, it's real Self....

 All else has been but a dream...  Some say "the dream" was induced by the Creator, and some say it was self induced by the individual Soul.   I lean to the latter.

 If the second case is the correct one, then i would lean to believing that the dream is only meant to be waken from, and has really only been a distraction from the Souls real job, to create in the manner of its Creator, forever co-creating in a positive and expanding state of becoming, but while its brothers and sisters are still stuck, this may mean creating within the Dream yet still for their benefit (yet a portion of them may be beyond the Dream and creating to their full extent).  

 Just my belief system, and deepest intuitions...  The great thing about Bruce, and to some extent about this site, is the emphasis on finding your own answers, but of course "outside" influences can help, otherwise this whole "sharing" and communication thing would be pretty darn pointless.

Joyful Expanding and Creating

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Raj, is that possible that you confusing Lord Krishna of Brahmanism with Krishnamurti because they are not the same.

 
" Jiddu Krishnamurti was undoubtedly one of the greatest philosophical minds of the 20th century. His entire adult life was spent giving passionate discourses on the myriad ways the human mind turns to self-delusion in its never-ending search for psychological fulfillment "
Krishnamurti Information Network


He had nothing to do with religion, heaven, Hinduism  and even though a great mind, certainly wasn't *elevated* just one individual with incredible awareness.

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 Hi there alter ego,

 I think that Dora just copy and pasted that from another source, not necessarily that she thought he was the greatest mind of the 20th Century.

 Boy, some people are just too "controversial" for their own good!   Actually i think both you the misperceivee and the poster fall a bit under that category.

 Anyways, i've looked into J. K.'s info, and he strikes me as someone who talked the talk, but also someone who walked the walk.  I respect him and his info a lot, though i don't agree with all of it...

 I'm not sure if its the same guy, but i very much respect the guy who was announced as Enlightened by others, and had a group going, but walked away from it all when he realized how attached they were to him and to "the group"...  

 Strong attachment to outer "things" seems to breed stagnation and lack of growth.   Have always very much resonated with the Buddha's Teachings on non attachment, and how attachment to the unreal is a main contributor to suffering, course its a lot easier said than done!

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 Really good point.  Reminds me of that researcher who uses magnetic fields on the brain to get various experiences, and this is his proof that spiritual stuff doesn't exist because he can "create" it at will.

 I wonder if he ever wondered, if he is just helping to open people up to perceiving differently and more intensely (or consciously) than before with these magnetic fields?

 Maybe it is along the same lines of various teachings which recommend certain gemstones or crystals to help facilitate an intuneness by strengthening the inner energy by resonating it to a more "pure and outer" field of Like energy?