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Some questions I'd like atheists to explain on TV.
Dec 26th, 2005 at 1:06am
 
In order to get your atheist friends to stop and think about the trap they have been led into by not believing in the afterlife, I have prepared a set of leading questions. It should be instrumental in not only exposing them, but also realizing how in reality their minds are cluttered with anti-Nature ideas. In short, it should serve as an initial antidote in the long process of detoxifying the mind of long accumulated false garbage and debris.



Here are some pointed questions you might ask atheists on LIVE TV:

1. It's a fact of science that when we fall asleep, our subconscious mind takes over and we start dreaming. Therefore, if our bodies died, our conscious mind would be over, and we'd be lucid dreaming with full use of our subconscious mind. People have seen lucid/transeparent spirits. Yet you still don't believe in the afterlife. How do you explain this?

2. Energy can't be destroyed, only transeformed. Yet you still don't believe in the afterlife. How do you explain this?

3. Dreams and lucid dreams take place outside the physical body. Children have reported having past life experiences and being in Heaven. Dreams also predict the future often. Dream research points to an afterlife. How do you explain this?

4. Supposing you consciously astral projected out-of-body, walked into different rooms in your house, and saw your families astral bodies standing up dreaming next to their beds. Which would you believe: it's all in your head, or the physical fact before your eyes?

5. People in near-death experiences float above their physical body with their astral body while brain dead. How do you explain this?

6. Just plain common sense tells you that if a machine (or body) stops working, the energy that made it function floats out of the system and is still constant. The same goes for humans, animals, bugs and the tree outside.

7. Despite your claims to the contrary, science and Nature points to an afterlife, especially since we have dream bodies (astral bodies), that project and act out our dreams while the physical is paralyzed in REM state (rapid eye movement), and the fact that energy is eternal.

8. Psychics and mediums contact and see spirits. If this wasn't so, they wouldn't be any good at what they do, people would think they suck, and people wouldn't be paying them money to go see them. In addition, many psychics and mediums have taken lie-detecter tests and past them all.

9. You claim to base your facts on science and Nature, expect for when it doesn't sound good to you personally. How do you explain this?

8. Why are you scared of the afterlife?


Thank you for your time.
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Re: Some questions I'd like atheists to explain on
Reply #1 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 2:31am
 
hey, you have two number eights.

I thought atheism was defined as the disbelief in god.

Not a disbelief in those things you mentioned.
heh
So honestly, if i was an atheist on national tv, that would be my response to all those questions.
the response that those questions dont have to do with atheism in a strict sense.
Atheism says theres no god. it doesnt always imply theres no after life or not other phenomenon and states of consciousness altered from waking state. or deny the existence of life and consciousness and energy.... Some do, but not all atheists do
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Reply #2 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 2:38am
 
Hmm, it occured to me it might be more fun to see a nihilist answer those questions. Tongue
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Reply #3 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 3:41am
 
What I like to ask any atheist is... Where do you get your morals from?  If you don't believe in an afterlife and there is no result good or bad for your actions here... Then I would think being a true atheist, your thought process should be... If someone is annoying you... Kill them and take their stuff.  I think the only reason atheist do have morals is because they have learned them from believers, and moral laws are enforced by believers. 

Atheist like to blame wars and killings on religion.  Easy to do when the whole world is religious.  I just don't see what would stop a whole world of true atheist from killing each other.  Life is so short here.  What would you be accomplishing here by doing anything constructive if there was nothing after this?

One more thing.  I think 95% of the so called atheists are fake and full of it.  Their life styles doesn't reflex their beliefs.  Why do they have such long term goals like everyone else?  Their main view on life is dramatically different then a believer but they live pretty similar lives.
 
I respect all other people and their beliefs, including atheist.  I can relate (to some degree) to all different religions/afterlife beliefs, but I'm just fascinated by how a person can even function being a true atheist.
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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 4:13am
 
1. It's a fact of science that when we fall asleep, our subconscious mind takes over and we start dreaming. Therefore, if our bodies died, our conscious mind would be over, and we'd be lucid dreaming with full use of our subconscious mind. People have seen lucid/transeparent spirits. Yet you still don't believe in the afterlife. How do you explain this?

the sub conscious mind is merely a part of the physical mind, so when your mind dies, you wont see/know or do anything.


2. Energy can't be destroyed, only transeformed. Yet you still don't believe in the afterlife. How do you explain this?


our bodys are transformed into energy for other animals and the enviroment, it's called the carbon cycle.


3. Dreams and lucid dreams take place outside the physical body. Children have reported having past life experiences and being in Heaven. Dreams also predict the future often. Dream research points to an afterlife. How do you explain this?


this has been tested, and you can get a child to produce the same result by guessing.


4. Supposing you consciously astral projected out-of-body, walked into different rooms in your house, and saw your families astral bodies standing up dreaming next to their beds. Which would you believe: it's all in your head, or the physical fact before your eyes?

i would look for evidence, somthing a person said while sleeping or an action, anything to prove it was real. Until i had proof i would think i am merely making it up.


5. People in near-death experiences float above their physical body with their astral body while brain dead. How do you explain this?

while i am quite impressd with NDE evidence, i could say it's a dieing reaction of the brain, fighter pilots experience the tunnel affect when they experience to much g-force.


6. Just plain common sense tells you that if a machine (or body) stops working, the energy that made it function floats out of the system and is still constant. The same goes for humans, animals, bugs and the tree outside.

how does common sense tell you that?, food and water makes the body go. Not ones brain.


7. Despite your claims to the contrary, science and Nature points to an afterlife, especially since we have dream bodies (astral bodies), that project and act out our dreams while the physical is paralyzed in REM state (rapid eye movement), and the fact that energy is eternal.

energy is eternal, but you could end up being the source of energy for 50 animals, i want to see proof, good proof that people with "astral" body's are not actually dreaming, because ive heard some really out of this universe claims, of people turning into elephants, meeting people who are thousands of years old, and travelling to other planets to meet umpa lumpa's. Things which could only be invented by a dreaming brain.



8. Psychics and mediums contact and see spirits. If this wasn't so, they wouldn't be any good at what they do, people would think they suck, and people wouldn't be paying them money to go see them. In addition, many psychics and mediums have taken lie-detecter tests and past them all.


they are show man/woman, they draw on peoples fears and give them hope. 99.9% of them can be dis proved with simple tests. Anyone can learn these skills theres nothing "psychic" about it. and anyone can pass a lie detecter test, especially a "medium" who has been tricking people so long, they actually believe they have these skills.


9. You claim to base your facts on science and Nature, expect for when it doesn't sound good to you personally. How do you explain this?

you based every question on facts you have failed to prove. When the ones you do offer have been shown to be false.


8. Why are you scared of the afterlife?


scared? i fear few things, and i believe knowing the afterlife existed would make me very happy, but since very few things offer anything in the ways of concrete evidence, why should i believe in myths and fairy tales?.
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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 4:27am
 
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What I like to ask any atheist is... Where do you get your morals from?  If you don't believe in an afterlife and there is no result good or bad for your actions here... Then I would think being a true atheist, your thought process should be... If someone is annoying you... Kill them and take their stuff.  I think the only reason atheist do have morals is because they have learned them from believers, and moral laws are enforced by believers.  

Atheist like to blame wars and killings on religion.  Easy to do when the whole world is religious.  I just don't see what would stop a whole world of true atheist from killing each other.  Life is so short here.  What would you be accomplishing here by doing anything constructive if there was nothing after this?

One more thing.  I think 95% of the so called atheists are fake and full of it.  Their life styles doesn't reflex their beliefs.  Why do they have such long term goals like everyone else?  Their main view on life is dramatically different then a believer but they live pretty similar lives.
 
I respect all other people and their beliefs, including atheist.  I can relate (to some degree) to all different religions/afterlife beliefs, but I'm just fascinated by how a person can even function being a true atheist.


morals come from education + instinct, it's the same for everyone, believers are merely puppets, and i am glad to say christianity is on the decline.

i dont believe you get "judged" for your actions here. that is somthing made up by christian myth.

i dont blame every war on religon, but i do say religon is highly dangerous, it's like a virus that affects society, if you believe you will be rewarded for blowing up another country's hospital......does that not make religon dangerous?. the crusades...world war 2, british leaving india, lead to a massive death toll, based on religous teachings.

the human body has survival instincts?, thats why we are alive.

i think christians and muslims and most other religons, are full of weak minded people, who like to blame there mis fortune on a god, and they like to have a book which will tell them how to act in almost any situation, because they fear losing control of there lifes, and finding out life is meaningless.

being athiest, just means i dont believe in god, as for the afterlife, i live in hope that the few unbreakable peices of evidence i have gathered proving it's existance, although it's not enough for me to put my faith in it yet.




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Reply #6 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 6:32pm
 
I don't understand #1.  Why do you think we lose consciousness or conscious ability when we die?  How do you equate sleeping to dying?
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Reply #7 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 7:21pm
 
Vicky,

If someone believes that consciousness is biologically based, then they believe when the body dies so does the consciousness.

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If someone believes that consciousness is biologically based, then they believe when the body dies so does the consciousness.

Rob


Cheers rob saved me a job Smiley

I think this because, ive seen people with brain damage, and you can see what happens when the brain does not function correctly, theres no spiritual mind taking over while dreaming, there as crazy in there dreams as they are when there fully conscious.
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Reply #9 - Dec 26th, 2005 at 9:36pm
 
Rob, I see what you mean.  I am not one of those though.   Smiley

Spitfire, how do you know what crazy people dream about?  Besides, just because someone has brain damage, doesn't mean their spiritual self has damage.  Our spirits can operate without us having conscious awareness of everything.
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morals come from education + instinct, it's the same for everyone, believers are merely puppets, and i am glad to say christianity is on the decline.

i dont believe you get "judged" for your actions here. that is somthing made up by christian myth.

i dont blame every war on religon, but i do say religon is highly dangerous, it's like a virus that affects society, if you believe you will be rewarded for blowing up another country's hospital......does that not make religon dangerous?. the crusades...world war 2, british leaving india, lead to a massive death toll, based on religous teachings.

the human body has survival instincts?, thats why we are alive.

i think christians and muslims and most other religons, are full of weak minded people, who like to blame there mis fortune on a god, and they like to have a book which will tell them how to act in almost any situation, because they fear losing control of there lifes, and finding out life is meaningless.

being athiest, just means i dont believe in god, as for the afterlife, i live in hope that the few unbreakable peices of evidence i have gathered proving it's existance, although it's not enough for me to put my faith in it yet.





I'm glad you said morals come from education.  Education from who?  The atheist population is quite small.  My point was atheist get their morals from believers of God and afterlife.  They don't go to atheist school.  There is a good chance that their parents are not atheist, but if they are, I'm sure their grandparents are not.  They adopt the moral standards that originate from the major religions (we take this fact for granted) and throw out the fact that religion gave them the morals they needed to have a quality life. 

I'm also glad you mentioned that without God and an afterlife, life is meaningless.  Which makes my point.  How do you build any morals on a meaningless life?  Take a minute and think about it.  Who taught you right from wrong... an atheist?  There is no logical reason for a true atheist to adopt any morals.

Spit, I could be wrong but I don't think you are a true atheist.  A true atheist in my book doesn't believe in an afterlife.  When you die, end of story. 
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Rob, I see what you mean.  I am not one of those though.   Smiley

Spitfire, how do you know what crazy people dream about?  Besides, just because someone has brain damage, doesn't mean their spiritual self has damage.  Our spirits can operate without us having conscious awareness of everything.


it's quite funny actually vic, people with brain damage are very physically and vocally active when sleeping, for example one person was having a conversation in a dream, in which he wanted to obtain some paint which he could through over himself.
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I'm glad you said morals come from education.  Education from who?  The atheist population is quite small.  My point was atheist get their morals from believers of God and afterlife.  They don't go to atheist school.  There is a good chance that their parents are not atheist, but if they are, I'm sure their grandparents are not.  They adopt the moral standards that originate from the major religions (we take this fact for granted) and throw out the fact that religion gave them the morals they needed to have a quality life.  

I'm also glad you mentioned that without God and an afterlife, life is meaningless.  Which makes my point.  How do you build any morals on a meaningless life?  Take a minute and think about it.  Who taught you right from wrong... an atheist?  There is no logical reason for a true atheist to adopt any morals.

Spit, I could be wrong but I don't think you are a true atheist.  A true atheist in my book doesn't believe in an afterlife.  When you die, end of story.  


Education + instinct = morals. teachings of god and religon gave rise to wars. Crusades, clensings, and mass genocide.

the bible has shaped western society considerabley, because parts of it became the law for western countrys. But with people leaving christianity, laws are also changing, the usa executes people, which is'nt allowed by the bible. everyone goes around sueing people so love thy neighbour also has gone the way of the dodo. + other comandments.

Life without god i dont believe is meanlingless. But you are correct life is meaningless without an afterlife. Morals are based on our own nature. Murder in the animal kingdom is'nt considered wrong. But it is to us, and not long ago we could have murdered each other without recompence. The idea of god has only existed for a few thousand years, we surived for 100,000 years without any god, merely instinct - without those people we would not exist and therefore nor would god.

Education also existed before god, the Eygptions studied the stars and maths and had ordered society without god, as he would be known today. Morals are products of our evolving brain, 1000 years ago christianity was around, yet people were cutting peoples hands off for stealing bread, people were being stoned/whipped to death, and this was perfectly normal, while today with our ever evolving brain it would be considered unthinkable.

i honestly dont believe god exists, the afterlife as i said im gathering evidence, i have a few unbreakable peices of evidence at the moment to keep me going, and i hope to find more logical and concrete proof.
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Reply #13 - Dec 27th, 2005 at 8:40am
 
Spitfire appears to endorse the idea (i.e., mechanistic materialism) that brain tissue is the generator of thoughts, and that the brain is a "warehouse" of memories.
AND, he does have a point... if he is correct about brain function, then there is not, indeed there can be no afterlife.
The only way out of this scenario, is that the brain functions not as a memory warehouse/thought generator, but as a "radio receiver" of sorts... it is a "device" used by our "intrinsic self" (whatever that might be) to experience life in the "physical dimension."
Which is it then? Warehouse/generator, or radio receiver? I'm not going to make any speculations here. (Our most modern scientific research has still to learn BEANS about how consciousness works... look at the "discipline" of psychiatry. Psychiatry has completely stagnated since the 1950's... the only difference being that the medications that shrinks prescribe today have fewer side effects. But their effectiveness is no better today, than it was back in 1952 when Thorazine was first used. Just as in those days, the only thing we can do for schizophrenics, delusionals, and depressives is give them the chemical equivalent of a two-by-four upside the head...)
So Spit... are you right or wrong? Don't ask the Chumster...

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Reply #14 - Dec 27th, 2005 at 8:54am
 
Look into a neuroscientist named Lashley who studied memory of a maze in mice.  He would burn away different part of the mouse's brains, but found that the mice who had learned the maze could still run the maze better.  He concluded that consciousness/memory for them is not based in only one part of the brain, but that the brain is a receiver of consciousness.  Now we know certain centers associated with memory.  True.  But if the brain is a receiver, we are not sure how it works in people.

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