Believe what you choose. To be truthful I don't think your real. I think your just a bot someone else made. I seen no real proof your real. I've never met you. There for I think your just a program. See Spit it easy to write anything off as fake.

Spitfire,

I think therefore I am is what got me interested in consciousness as a separate process from the real world.  So be careful what quotes you bring up.  That was Descartes' reasoning, when he couldn't get past any other proofs.

It goes further though, in that consciousness is the cause, not the effect.  But most scientists see consciousness as a fluke of nature, a result of neurotransmitters causing us to feel we are aware.

I don't think Spitfire is fake.  I do think much of his withering criticisms are valid in a purely logical vein.  I think once ol' Spitty ever has a truly mystical experience, you will see little hearts and flowers over his logos instead of fire and quotations about revenge.  No one who reads Spitfire and understands him can deny that he leaves open the possibility that someone will offer him proof that will change his way of thinking.

Matthew

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To true matt, and old des got so crackers towards the end, people had to stop him walking off cliffs because he thought gravity was an illusion.

I think, therefore i am, is quite hard to argue against, if you dont think, then you cant argue. and if you think, then you must be alive?

Im open to any proof, that god or the afterlife exists, i just like proof based on something more then someone's dreams, a few storys and a whole lotta speculation.

Btw matt, you ever had any mystical experiences?