i understand your point about the way religon is packaged and that people put there own twist on it. But should'nt god have know this would happen? if he did'nt then he cant be god, and if he did, then does'nt in contradict his teachings?.

Science is still unclear about why the neanderthals died off, its been put down to- there lack of inteligence, lack of food due to homo sapiens arriving, and of course, possibly war, theres some that still say that they merged with homo saipens.
But the fact we are here, proves that society will survive without religon.

Have a good day chum
see ya later
-spit-

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I believe it yes, it's more plausable to me then god creating an eden and slapping 2 people There and then kicking them out for eating fruit.

We act similar to apes, we look similar to apes, we share 98% of our Dna with them.

Until something comes along which sounds plausable, i will believe it, although it is kinda dissapointing .

But i guess you could question why we started to evolve the way we did. Why in the millions of years we are the only creature to achieve a high inteligence?. did somthing start us down that path?

i dont belive anything did, but i would certainly listen to anything that proved we did'nt come from apes.

Until then i'll go around beating my chest and eating bannana's.

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If this is so, than why does the subconscious float out of the physical body in an astral projection during sleep?

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Food and water keeps the conscious mind running, which moves the physical body with energy.

Common sense tells me energy is eternal, and that when a body or machine dies, the energy floats from the body or machine.

In short, common sense tells me that when an animal dies -- and you can smell it's body rot on the ground -- the energy, even mental energy - conscious or subconscious - in it's mind, is still active in some form.

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Stop using the word "astral" like you don't understand it or are scared of it. You, I, and the tree outside has an astral body. There are brain websites out there that know dreams and lucid dreams take place outside the physical body. If done consciously, it's called an astral projection. In short, even dreaming and lucid dreaming is an astral projection.

Check these websites out:
http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astral/astralp1_rbruce.htm#7

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research12.html

http://brain.web-us.com/Dream/dreamfaq.htm

http://brain.web-us.com/lucid/luciddreamingFAQ.htm

I've astral projected consciously before by accident, and watched my astral hand melt infront of my desk. I was walking around in my bedroom, just as conscious as in the physical body. Tell me: was my brain just dreaming, or was I astral projected and walking around in my astral body around my house?

If you've never consciously projected before, I can predict your answer from a mile away.

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Are you saying that 100% of psychics and mediums out there, or people who actually see extra-sensory things with their physical eyes, or hear things beyond the normal, are showmen drawing on people's fears and hopes?

Just look around man. Not everyone can do the same stuff. I'm sure you're good at your job, and I'm good at working on cars. We have different in-born abilities and talents. Some people can see different things - maybe even nonphysical things - such as gamma rays -- with their eyeballs.

Another question: If your daughter predicted future events often, would you say she's a good showwoman? Or would you think she knows something you don't? I presume the latter, since she would, afterall, be doing something you don't or can't.

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Yes, scared.

The afterlife isn't a myth or fairytale, although I'm sure you'd like it to be. I believe in the afterlife because energy is eternal and based off my own experiences. I wouldn't even call it an "afterlife." I believe we wake up consciously (physical) or subconsciously (astral/spirit) for eternity. If one doesn't have an out-of-body experience at physical death, I believe their astral body simply was sleeping when their physical body slept during it's death, and will wake up shortly on the astral plane.

P.S., since when is dreaming and lucid dreaming a myth and fairytale?

Thanks.

Spitfire Said:
"theres 1 million dollars up for grabs for any psychic who can perform a simple test...why has none of them come forward to get it? 

Most Mediums and psychics when put under the spotlight just crumble. "

Spit you should actually carefully read the "stipulations" of Mr Randi's test.  It will hit you straight away that the test is bent and false in every way.  The rules blatantly state that no matter if you could crap pine trees out of your ear infront of him then materialize ghandi in 3D form then you still would not win the money!

As for everyone of them crumbling, how would you feel if you were put infront of a debunking biggot and practically be-littled and humiliated in every way possible should you "dare" to make a slight mistake?

Fair test to prove physcic phenomena, I don't think so mate

As for nobody proving Randi wrong there was a German fellow whose name I forget who offered and successfully completed the challenge in front of Randi and his so-called "fair" team of scientists.

Do you know what he did?  Randi ran a mile and even sent abusive, threatening letters to the individual and would not pay the prize money as even though this German was proven scientificly to possess some form of Physchic ability Randi tried every excuse in the book to deny this, even calling him a fraud and a pathetic waste of his time.

Greetings,
What about the pre-Christian mystics who astral- projected, then came back and wrote the books that began religions that most of us have been following for hundreds of years? They rose above the hubbub of their time and saw something that has changed beliefs for eons.
(Why do we refer to 'higher beliefs', 'feeling low',' in high spirits' etc--do we recall that higher is truly better or did we just make that up?)   
Does anyone here know much about the Kaballah? I heard much of it is mysticism, hidden even from most Jewish followers of their Old Testament. I read somewhere that it had to be hidden because it was so amazingly powerful/accurate so some was translated into a card game and some was illustrated by stories and rules that then became the OT.
Maybe if atheists and agnostics could take a good class in the Kaballah, they'd get a purer dose of exposure to God-inspired awe, and come back with their burdens enlightened.
Would you go to such a workshop, Spitfire?

OK I hate making waves. Yet I do want to ask something. I know these for facts.

1 I know our earth if it moves only inches anyway. We all will fry or freeze to death. It's right on the spot to hold life.

2 The earth is die. Soon it will be unable to support life. Yet Mar is forming to support life. Something wants us here.
(I'll try and find a link. I only know this from new I have watched.)

3 Many have said they hope there’s an afterlife. We have a belief in the afterlife. It has to be disprove. Even then it hard wired into us to want one.

4 In all honesty the chair I'm sitting on can be proven it does not exist.

5 we talked about profits no longer come to this earth. If they did would we believe them. I can make a ball of gold from nothing. People can always say I was hiding it behind my back. Any thing can be disproved.

I’m not going to talk about God or Ali. I believe in a higher power. Too much does not make sense with out it.

Only if you believe that humans are the supreem force in the universe and that things must evolve around us. But if we are merely a random convergance of molecules, higher powers just become another creation of our immagination.