I've been thinking about this question alot lately...this is related to a question about visualization I posed earlier.

I know the finger exercise and I guess I've thought of intent as a form of will..or vice versa..but lately I've been thinking about intent in other ways. Today my thoughts were triggered by a Christmas radio show hosted by Judy Collins, who said something like the stories on the show and the songs showed a theme of Peace on Earth...and that that was a sentiment we should hope to see more of. And I thought, yeah if it is a sentiment, it ain't gonna work...we need to make Peace on Earth an intent.

I started thinking of this because I was trying to place intent on something and then I realized my daydreams (or the mind chatter I catch myself in when I am busy doing other things with ny hands) would spontaneously run in a different direction. And I had to ask myself what I really wanted. And this has been a bit of a struggle because I guess I want two things and they don't necessarily go together. And one involved fear and what that does to intent...not intentionally involving fear, but it was there...but it does seem that intent can be moving a finger, but it can be something more.

So I am wondering what others think intent is.

Lucy,

Some of the simplest questions are the most profound.   In my view, the question of what intent is can best be answered by considering how we might delude ourselves about our true intent.  The following 7 principles may be relevant to intent:

(1) the question of who or what determines when my intent has been adequatedly created--me, God, unknown laws of the visual imagination, etc.

(2) The amount of fear infecting my intent: I may be so afraid of failure or disappointment that my unconscious interprets my fear as desiring to create the opposite of my perceived intent.

(3) the amount of time I devote to visualising and imagining the desired outcome:  I may think I am creating an intent, when in fact I have a belief in my intent without the experience of this intent.  The Bible implies that the success of petitionary prayer is often a function of the emount of time devoted to the creation of a contemplative consciousness.   Perhaps, the same principle applies to other forms of focussed intent.

(4) The concrete steps I am willing to take to make my intention real:  I may have an obsession, but lack the discipline needed to take intiatives that can make my intention real.   My unconscious may interpret my laziness as a  lack of intent, regardless of how intense my longing is.

(5) the clarity of my goal: I may not have thought out my goal carefully enough and, without realizing it, may be unwilling to pay the price of sustaining the required commitment,

(6) the accuracy and intensity of my felt need:  Effective intent may be a function of real needs.  I may feel lonely or empty, but may misperceive the root cause of my malaise and its solution.   The Bible teaches that God responds to the true need behind our prayer requests rather than to the petition itself.  

(7) unconsciously conflicting goals that sabotage my perceived intent: I may crave a torrid romance, but may be unwilling to sacrifice other priorities (e.g. time devoted to work, my stinginess, my independence).

Don

Or maybe Elias or Mary has read Don!   Hahaha or Mary read Seth/Jane Roberts (more likely).  Ah, but I won't go there again...

Dave, I feel like you are a little more advanced on these areas than I, so I have a question for you.  If you read Ernest Holmes, and other books on consciousness creating reality, you can at first feel empowered.  If you try some simple experiments on setting intent, they may work.  You actually get results. 

But then we are living in the real world, with all our insecurities, and real or illusory frailties.  And fears.  Yet, if you believe in consciousness creating reality, then it is an active process, that you constantly, have to think on, and dismiss fears and frailties as being unreal.  Holmes in his difficult but good book "Science of Mind," talks of creating healing by seeing the sick person as perfect spirit, and denying the disease "since the person's spirit is truly perfect, disease is not permitted."  The patient and healer must both believe and see the ill patient as perfect and healed.  Multiple tratments are needed.

Our lives are too full of maya or illusion.  Just today, I had an unexpected exchange where an emotionally charged relative blew up at me.  I was shaking, and my nerves were frayed.  I briefly thought about my studies in consciousness, how we are all much more than what society thinks we are, but for the moment - it didn't matter.  One can not easily maintain intent, calmness and such through many ups and downs (or can one?) So what do we do?  How do we apply intent in our lives?

I believe that it is something we strive for.  Our human insecurities are bound to mess us up some of the time (although Holmes would say that only happens if we allow ourselves to think it).  But positive thinking, trying to set positive intention, and our aspirations will hopefully lead us toward a better physical and spiritual existence. 

Peace to all,

Matthew

Hi Matthew.

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And you better DON"T go there....as yo don't have  the slightests knowledge, much less understanding on the Elias information.

Sarcasm is the pitiful attitud of the ignorant

LOVE
Marta

Thanks for all the ideas to ponder on this topic. Well, more than ponder. Systematically apply to a situation where I think I'd like to get a result and I'm not. It is easy to state what intent is but 1) trying to figure out why it isn't working and 2) trying to figure out what the heck I did to attract something into my life that I woyuld never conciously wish for are both difficult and it helps to have a list to sort things out a bit more. Also means that others have been in the same place! My misery loves company!

If intent works when I want it to does that mean it is also working when I'm not looking, so to speak? Is intent something that only exists once I name it or is it some function of conciousness that is active all along? If it exists already, then what is it doing before I learn how to use it?

I was reading the other day something about the power of negative suggestion and wondered if those negative things worked through the intent. If so, then fear must be a form of intent....or fear is something that works through intent.

I can see that prayer could be a form of training for the intent. That's an interesting list, Don. I wish I had access to something like that when i was in high school and started asking these types of questions...wondering what prayer really is...and not getting any substantial answers (except something in Paul Gallico's Ludmilla ). Yet here I find there is a whole body of thought on this subject ...well I've seen a few other things across the years...Jacob Needleman wrote some things on prayer. But I didn't think to connect pryaer with intent like this.I get the part about  "The Bible teaches that God responds to the true need behind our prayer requests rather than to the petition itself.  " especially if 'true need' includes the energy one puts into the petition. Maybe that's the adrenalin Alysia is talking about. That may be a positive use of great fear..turning it into a positive manifestation of energy, in a positive focus of intent.

Actually, Raz,  it is kind of gratifying if the Bible and Seth/Elias say similar things about how to use conciousness. If this is how conciousness works, this is how it should be written about.

(Marta I didn't take Matthew's comments to be sarcastic..)

I can only digest so much of this at a time...I have to go think and do stuff with my hands for a while.

Matthew,

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In all seriousness, I'm sorry to see that you have no understanding not even about the Seth Material.

Your statement shows clearly a total lack of understanding about ESSENCES, or ENTITIES (as Seth called), about FOCUSES of attention or reincarnational selves (as Seth called),  about ASPECTS, about simultaneous time, etc....

I don't know about you, but I have read ALL the Seth books MANY, MANY times for many years, and as myself, many of the SERIOUS Seth readers have come to realize how Elias information is TRULY the continuation of the Seth material, the exapanded information.
Seth Material was the preliminary general information that could generate a change in our understandings and assumed beliefs, and Seth choused the format of books as well still aligning with some of the prevalent beliefs, as a way for the Material to be accepted.

Elias information, for any person who TRULY understands the Seth material KNOWS that the information delivered by Elias IS not only the expansion of the Seth material, but that NOW is the time for us to understand and apply the information in ouselves, SELF-KNOWLEDGE, to understand how our BELIEFS affect our perception and how we each create our reality with our perception.

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In all seriousness, I'm sorry to see how superficially you evaluate, without any knowledge of what you are judging. That statement tells me very clear that you have NO knowledge, much less understanding of the Elias information. You just judged according to YOUR beliefs about channeling.

Just for your information, the process engaged by Elias is the SAME as in Seth, an ESSENCES ENERGY EXCHANGE, but of course, you can't understand what that means, as you have no understanding about what essences are.

As you, there is people that also have rejected the Seth Material, EXACTLY as you rejected Elias, because their BELIEFS on the subject of channeling.

I think there are different interpretations about information and what it represents to each individual.

Personally, I’m not concern about the *source* of any information I present to myself, for me what matters is the content of the information, meaning the information ITSELF.

There are MANY, MANY sources, not only from books or individuals messages, whatever those individuals may be, physically manifested or non-physically.
I present to myself INFORMATION in every single moment (NOW) of my life, as I’m interacting with energy constantly, and energy IS information.

Information is not ONLY in the books, messages, we are surrounded by information, we are presenting to ourselves CONSTATLY information, in our relationships, in every single aspect of our lives, in ALL our actions, experiences, there IS information, and it doesn’t matter the *source* of those information’s, what matters is our awareness to what we are presenting to ourselves, as ELIAS says…PAYING ATTENTION….that allows us to become aware of what we are communicating to ourselves, as that is the reason of ANY information, COMMUNICATION.

We will interpret, TRANSLATE any information/communication through our perception, which is ALWAYS affected by our beliefs, then DISCERNMENT and NOTICING are in my opinion what allows us to become aware of how we are translating.

Now, no one will dear to say that Jiddu Krishnamurti, Socrates, Schopenhauer, etc.. were a FRAUD or a FAKE, some people may disagree with their ideas, but never will call them a fraud, the *source* is NOT questioned, because in our BELIEFS, we accept as REAL only what is coming from a Physical individual.

As an example of lack of discernment, amazing as it sounds, there are many individuals that question any information that doesn't come from a physical individual, as NOT real, or as a FRAUD, but don’t question the *source* of the Bible.

Then how I assimilate, discern, resonate or not with ANY information depends on my awareness, my awareness defines my experiences, and my awareness/knowledge (which is NEVER static) expands according to my experiences. I know it sounds paradoxical, but is not, because in reality all those actions are just ONE.

Basically, I can’t separate my awareness/knowledge (which is ASSIMILATED  information) from my experiences. Any experience IS an assimilation of information, which is knowledge/awareness.

I can only speak of myself, and my discernment, I say it again…my discernment….has proved to me that when I don’t resonate with an information, always I’m able to discern about the CONTENT of that information, (not the source, as it is unimportant to me) and *see* the reasons of why I don‘t resonate, and I follow no one but myself, as well I’m aware that NO one can deceive me, to think that OTHERS can deceive me, will be the typical attitude of blaming others for my own choices of beliefs and understandings.

Personally, I have not found YET any information that SPEAKS to my understanding as the Elias information, and whichever IS its source, is unimportant to me, as the quality of the INFORMATION is what matters to me.

Also, Elias information has GREATLY expanded my understandings and awareness as NO other information until now, and I had plenty experiences that had proved to me the veracity of that information, then personally I can say that I have EXPERIENCED Elias information, thus is REALITY for me.

And about Elias himself, as I said already previously in another post, I resonate with the way he answers, never contradicting himself, never reinforcing beliefs, never judging anyone and without any of those typical *sugar pills* of so many other *channeled* material, and with an amazing knowledge and understanding of this physical dimension, and he has proved to me how incredibly he is aware of all of us.

This not about defending Elias, as he needs no defense, I just expressed what his information has represented to me and the profound signification that had in my understandings, mostly about KNOWING myself, and what else is there than knowing self?…anything else is meaningless without knowing ourselves, as all the answers are within.

LOVE
Marta

Lucy said: Maybe that's the adrenalin Alysia is talking about. That may be a positive use of great fear..turning it into a positive manifestation of energy, in a positive focus of intent.
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yes, I think u got my drift so we think alike. I find that if I want to make a decision to change a negative into a positive, these are the times I've most often gone obe or received subjective guidance, what I call my guides or higher self, rather than God, but another word for God is All That Is, I get around that part of me which rejects old time religion concepts, but still realize, man needs to not throw out the baby with the bathwater when approaching spiritual/religious conceptualization.
also, this is a great thread u started Lucy chock full of communication. I've yet to read the whole thing but each has something valuable to contribute, just wanted to show some gratitude that u would toss yourself out there like this...I love it!

enough about me. making a decision is like setting the intention. at the same time you set it, you would need to release it also. the idea is if you're boiling some water, you don't stand there and watch it, as watching it reach the boiling point where it turns into steam is not a good use of your time. we do it though.

getting back to changing a negative into a positive..several times in my life I've had a couple of neighbors act like they wanted to kill me...who me? so then I had to ask myself why I attracted such negativity, as surely this was not something bad happening to me randomly? so nothing would ever change if I didn't change myself, even though it's always the other guys fault!
I ended up doing a couple of what I call living retrievals in the ozone...but thats a long story. basically, I had to concentrate on a win-win to occur..rather than to get out my gun and shoot back...not knowing what to do to get peace I would have to have that intention of peace, and release the details of how to get that peace or win win.
so if it were a prayer, it would go something like this:
yo, messed up again, you there higher self?
and where else would I be hanging but the tail end of your mess?
very funny. get me out of this jam.
what do u want it to look like?
I want him to stop using me for target practice for one thing..but what does this bloke need from me?
hold that question..I think yer onto something!
right. well, how long do I hold the question, like forever? I'm tired!
you must learn what patience and faith is!
what, u want me to trust this dialogue with self going on?
take it or leave it my dear!
basically, there cannot be a question that is not attached to the answer itself. that should settle your nerves a bit! since it is a duality world the answer to a question is always in a scientific way, attached to that question. if you would relax and allow it entrance within patience, trust, or faith. the fact that you are not dead yet, shows promise.
hmm. thanks. I'm still kicking, so I must be doing something right?
ha ha!
in all seriousness, others may in appearance attack you. beyond the action of attack is something they would be needing from you to change the negative to the positive, hold that willingness up like an empty cup and the universe has no choice but to fill an empty chalice..youve heard the saying the universe hates a void? something to do with meditation/recieving guidance.

some part of you knows exactly what it's doing Lucy and will never fail you, never betray you and your intentions.
love, alysia

Marta, please lighten up. You're so tightly wound into Elias/Seth that you can't stop to smell the roses.

In Spirit of ONE,
Mairlyn