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Reply #60 - Dec 31^st, 2005 at 7:01am

Hi,

The ultimate TRUTH doesn't exist anywhere, you will never find it in one place. All your search, reading etc. will get you to a point and you will change to others. Life, awareness isn't static.

You never stay in the same grade at school.

You will learn through many means, all of them will leave questions open. But you WILL LEARN.

Test a medium before going there. You will learn things that you will have to get rid of afterwards, if he isn't legitimate.

Then, EVEN if you go there you will LEARN SOMETHING. There's no contradiction there.

In all of this TRUST YOURSELF. This will guide you towards what YOU NEED, what resonate within you is the way to know.

We never loose our time, we learn.

If the pope information about Seth gives you a STOP sign, that's OK. Follow YOURSELF.

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PhoenixRa

Thank you for your informative post!

you said:

" I am not a Seth expect by any means, have only read one entire book and skimmed other parts of other books. "

As I posted I just started reading a short while ago, but in this short time I have read about 6-7 cover to cover.

So your opinion is based on one book and the skimmed parts? What was it in one book what you didn't believe?

My complain is simple, which is that I cannot find that pope anywhere what was suppose to be seth reincarnational self, so before I go place trust in him, even i'm still reading the books, i need to know if he is real or not.

Many thing what seth provide somewhat resonate with me, but the simple question how do i know if seth lied about the pope, he doesnt lie about everything else?

Gerald said if you trust yourself then doesn't need proof, but he also said that every channeler has to be tested before you believe in it

so which is it trust or prove?

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Reply #61 - Dec 31^st, 2005 at 10:46am

Gerald, i understand what you say, and i see how you speak like Elias, i have reading Elias transcripts too, and for what i see Seth doesn't speaks about trust and those things like Elias does, and i like Elias very much too, but my question was not about trusting myself, but about how to trust the Seth material when he so obviouisly lied.

Thank you for your advices, but already Don answered what I wanted to know, he proved that Seth lied, which i was not sure, now i know.

*freesoul*

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Reply #62 - Dec 31^st, 2005 at 12:16pm

Just a note...I do not believe Elias is legitimate.

Keep trusting yourself.

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Gerald, i understand what you say, and i see how you speak like Elias, i have reading Elias transcripts too, and for what i see Seth doesn't speaks about trust and those things like Elias does, and i like Elias very much too, but my question was not about trusting myself, but about how to trust the Seth material when he so obviouisly lied.

Thank you for your advices, but already Don answered what I wanted to know, he proved that Seth lied, which i was not sure, now i know.

*freesoul*

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Reply #63 - Dec 31^st, 2005 at 1:15pm

Gerald,

I didn't ask if you believe that elias is legitimate or not, i'm just saying that i recognize that you post as elias speaks and not how seth speaks. So far I have read 7 book from seth and yet I have not find where he talks about "trust"and "resonate"
what you refering too, but i find the same principles and same words in the several elias transcript what i have read in the elias site.

ELIAS: “Trust yourself. Listen to your impulses and intuition. You shall not betray yourself! Another may view that you shall betray them, within their perception; but you shall not betray yourself!” [session 101, June 24, 1996]

ELIAS: “You shall not betray you! You know within you which direction you wish to proceed within. You allow yourselves, as you do not trust yourselves, to be swayed by other individuals and circumstances and belief systems. It is quite difficult within physical focus to be trusting of self, and knowing that you shall not betray you. Individuals express, ‘Trust within the universe, and it shall provide for you.’ I shall express to you, this is not quite so far off. Trust self, and you shall provide for you.” [session 165, April 19, 1997]

I don't know what is your base to say that elias is not legitimate but based on what Don explained for me seth who isn't legitimate. He clearly lied.

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Reply #64 - Jan 1^st, 2006 at 6:44am

Like I said, its YOUR journey my friend. Always follow yourself like you are doing here.

Best wishes.

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I didn't ask if you believe that elias is legitimate or not, i'm just saying that i recognize that you post as elias speaks and not how seth speaks. So far I have read 7 book from seth and yet I have not find where he talks about "trust"and "resonate"
what you refering too, but i find the same principles and same words in the several elias transcript what i have read in the elias site.

ELIAS: “Trust yourself. Listen to your impulses and intuition. You shall not betray yourself! Another may view that you shall betray them, within their perception; but you shall not betray yourself!” [session 101, June 24, 1996]

ELIAS: “You shall not betray you! You know within you which direction you wish to proceed within. You allow yourselves, as you do not trust yourselves, to be swayed by other individuals and circumstances and belief systems. It is quite difficult within physical focus to be trusting of self, and knowing that you shall not betray you. Individuals express, ‘Trust within the universe, and it shall provide for you.’ I shall express to you, this is not quite so far off. Trust self, and you shall provide for you.” [session 165, April 19, 1997]

I don't know what is your base to say that elias is not legitimate but based on what Don explained for me seth who isn't legitimate. He clearly lied.

*freesoul*

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gerald New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 39	Re: Mediums Reply #65 - Jan 1^st, 2006 at 6:46am I want to say goodbye to everyone here, and my best wishes for 2006. I will not return here, my road leads me elsewhere. Best wishes to all.
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Lights of Love Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 881	Re: Mediums Reply #66 - Jan 1^st, 2006 at 8:03am I've enjoyed reading your posts Gerald. Best wishes, much love and blessings to you in your journey. Kathy
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Reply #67 - Jan 1^st, 2006 at 9:27am

Bon voyage, Gerald,
I regret for selfish reasons that your journey requires you to move on. I very much appreciate your comments. They sound like Truth to me. Perhaps if you came here to talk with some of the long-time members you'd find that their conversations could keep you here.
I am new to expressing thoughts and experiences about spiritual life. I apologize if my awkward expressions soured you to this website. Everyone here seems very earnest to me (except maybe Spitfire, who is such a perfect gadfly perhaps it is just a role? Wink

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Have a great journey! Bets

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Reply #68 - Jan 1^st, 2006 at 10:09am

Gerald

" Always follow yourself like you are doing here. "

Thank you again for your valuable advise but seems like "my friend" you are the one who cannot handle a simple question, why you talk like elias, and not seth if he is the real one to you, but you seems like talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

good luck on your journey

*freesoul*

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Reply #69 - Jan 2^nd, 2006 at 8:10am

Thanks for the nice comments. I am not leaving because of the people here. But to look for places who have discussions on the concept of "You create your reality", which most of you know already, is from Seth/Jane Roberts.

This is where I am, at the moment, on my "journey".

Ah! My friend freesoul! I am talking as myself.

What appeals to you from Elias is what Seth first laid out. The information was given by Seth and a crop of others are surfing on this information, Elias, Abraham, Kriss...etc.

The messager isn't that important, it's the communication that is, and if it resonate in you.

I may think Elias isn't legitimate for reasons similar to yours towards Seth. But it really doesn't matter because it's the information that's important.

You can learns from anyone. When your "intent" is in learning, getting answers, this will bring in your life, books, people etc. answering your plea. You just have to be attentive.

But our awareness is ever expanding, so we are not stagnant. Yesterday was the Rosicrucians, before that Edgar Cayce, Robert Monroe......Tomorrow ?

When you trust yourself, you can dwelve anywhere.

Of course some of the things I accept are like Elias', because they are the same concepts that Seth first explained.

When I talk about "intent" you could say I'm talkin as Bruce Moen...and so on.

If we had a discussion, face to face, I would certainly learn from you, although we might disagree with many...see?

And my friend freesoul, I am not trying to convince anyone. I am only laying out my personal beliefs. As everyone is. I wrote about this on another thread. Yours to accept and yours to reject.

Only follow YOURSELF.

Best wishes on your journey again.

This concludes my visit here, sincere wishes to everyone.

Bye!

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" Always follow yourself like you are doing here. "

Thank you again for your valuable advise but seems like "my friend" you are the one who cannot handle a simple question, why you talk like elias, and not seth if he is the real one to you, but you seems like talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

good luck on your journey

*freesoul*

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Reply #70 - Jan 2^nd, 2006 at 8:29am

Gerald,

If you wish to read about intent, and thought creating reality, do not overlook Ernest Holmes, who wrote many decades before Jane Roberts and Mary. A book entitled Science of Mind is tough reading, but worthwhile. Also, a short book entitled "As a Man thinketh" by James Allen (asamanthinketh.net), is worth a short read.

What I have found that I don't like in the philosophy of our own thoughts creating reality is the lack of bonding with the divine, or truth. One almost gets the idea that we are little godlings, without a moral imperative/code whose every thought becomes real, no matter what. There is more to it than that.

This is where I disagree with some of the post-Jane Roberts ideas. That we are not here to learn. That we are here to experience only and to simply be and express ourselves. I don't believe that at the present moment.

Best wishes on your quest, Gerald. You can PM me if you need any help finding sources on thought creating reality. Jane Roberts may have been sincere, but if you look at Holmes and Allen who lived a century before her, you can see that if she were well read, the concepts from Seth and his subsequent spinoffs could easily have come from these great writings, and not be original.

I suppose the question then is, can we learn through direct exploration, such as Bruce describes, or do we need a channeled entity, whose every word we hang onto because we think they are an enlightened angelic being? Its clear, I guess just by the way I have phrased that question, my friends here will know where I stand on the matter.

Best to you,

Matthew

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